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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 07-15-2013, 03:35 PM
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Why no one talk about 328d?

It's available to order for quite some time now. Thinking about a wagon but not sure about the steering.
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What is the interest over a 7K$ cheaper and similar accelerating 320i? Not much actually.
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There won't be much action on the 'd' cars until ECO credit makes a comeback.
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Do any dealerships have them yet for test drives? That would be the best way of telling if that's the car for you.

It will get about 30% better fuel economy than the 320i
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Old 07-15-2013, 04:51 PM
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Do any dealerships have them yet for test drives? That would be the best way of telling if that's the car for you.

It will get about 30% better fuel economy than the 320i
Yes, but thinking economically, how many (sloow) miles do you need to drive to break even?
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Yes, but thinking economically, how many (sloow) miles do you need to drive to break even?
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320i 24/36mpg EPA 2050$ over 15K miles
Passat Tdi manual 31/43mpg EPA 1650$ over 15K miles.

"Savings" in cost must cover let's say half of the additional cost between a 320i and 328d, including tax and interests because the 328d will resell for higher.

So that would be 10 years to cover 4000$ at the rate of 400$/yr.

*Doesn't compute*.
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because it's technically a 320d. The car I really wanted, but I am not paying 328d price for it.

Eco credit is needed.
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For references.

320i 24/36mpg EPA 2050$ over 15K miles
Passat Tdi manual 31/43mpg EPA 1650$ over 15K miles.

"Savings" in cost must cover let's say half of the additional cost between a 320i and 328d, including tax and interests because the 328d will resell for higher.

So that would be 10 years to cover 4000$ at the rate of 400$/yr.

*Doesn't compute*.
Actual consumers won't be cross shopping a 328d with the 320i. Within the BMW brand they will cross shop it with the 328i, the 335i, the 335AH, and the 535d.

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because it's technically a 320d. The car I really wanted, but I am not paying 328d price for it.

Eco credit is needed.
Real world U.S. 328d shoppers aren't going to be aware of its relationship to the European 320d.
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Actual consumers won't be cross shopping a 328d with the 320i.
Actually they should. Otherwise they deserve to be "had".
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Actually they should. Otherwise they deserve to be "had".
To think the 320i is on par performance wise with the 328d is foolish.

The 328d isn't as zippy as the 328i, but the 328d is still very torquey and will outpace the 320i.
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To think the 320i is on par performance wise with the 328d is foolish.

The 328d isn't as zippy as the 328i, but the 328d is still very torquey and will outpace the 320i.
Torque doesn't change a thing here. At best, it is exploited via gearing for economy but not for more acceleration. Both have a 0-60mph in 7s.
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Torque doesn't change a thing here. At best, it is exploited via gearing for economy but not for more acceleration. Both have a 0-60mph in 7s.
I bet the 0 to 30 mph comparison would be much different
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It's available to order for quite some time now. Thinking about a wagon but not sure about the steering.
There has been substantial discussion on the diesel sub-forum.
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There wan't be much action on the 'd' cars until ECO credit makes a comeback.
Word up!
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Actually from where I live, diesel is at least 10% more than 93

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For references.

320i 24/36mpg EPA 2050$ over 15K miles
Passat Tdi manual 31/43mpg EPA 1650$ over 15K miles.

"Savings" in cost must cover let's say half of the additional cost between a 320i and 328d, including tax and interests because the 328d will resell for higher.

So that would be 10 years to cover 4000$ at the rate of 400$/yr.

*Doesn't compute*.
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Old 07-15-2013, 10:13 PM
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There has been substantial discussion on the diesel sub-forum.
Spelled diesel wrong and browser didn't jump to the sub-forum
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Actually from where I live, diesel is at least 10% more than 93
not quite that bad here in Maryland but close. Premium was $4.08 yesterday filling up, believe diesel @ $4.31 if memory serves. Absolutely no incentive to fork over for a 328d at this point unless you just want an oil burner (and I'm sure it's a good one). BTW, this is what? 29 miles from our nation's Capitol?
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Anyone who thinks the numbers after the 3 have anything to do with the engine need a time machine to go back to when it actually did.

A 320 is BMW's "entry level" 3 series, where they strip out many features and make fewer options available. All to drop that price to a point where they can attract new business that might have otherwise bought plebeian Fords, Hyundais or Toyotas.

The 328d may have the same engine as the European 320d, but here in the US it is equipped the same way and has the same options as the more up-market 328i.

So you are not getting a 320d for 328i money. You are getting a 328d for 328i money, plus a small premium for the more expensive diesel engine. In a day when diesel was cheaper than 89, it was a no-brainer. Today, with diesel typically costing more than premium gas, you need quite a long time or driven miles to break even. The "ECO credit" helps with that. If it were available. But even still, diesels do have some advantages over gas, particularly longevity. A diesel is the perfect car for a person who has a long daily commute and puts a LOT of miles on a car.
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Actually from where I live, diesel is at least 10% more than 93
That is not supported by data available at eia.gov
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? What does spelling have to do with getting to the diesel forum - how did you misspell it got the "ie" backwards? Use the drop-down box way down at the bottom, or the forum structure at the top?
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Actually from where I live, diesel is at least 10% more than 93
Have no idea where you live but in southern California diesel tends to be less than or equivalent to 89 mid grade. But ive noticed the variance of diesel is a lot from mean. Can be cost of regular or more than premium
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So you are not getting a 320d for 328i money. You are getting a 328d for 328i money,
It is important to emphasize that. The 328d is equipped like a 328i, not a 320i that has many features taken out, such as power seats.

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...plus a small premium for the more expensive diesel engine.
But in terms of engine performance, the 328d is closer to the 320i than it is to the 328i. So while you are getting the same features, you are definitely giving up significant power.
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Have no idea where you live but in southern California diesel tends to be less than or equivalent to 89 mid grade. But ive noticed the variance of diesel is a lot from mean. Can be cost of regular or more than premium
Diesel price in CA is seasonal. Sometimes it less than premium, sometimes it is more.
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But in terms of engine performance, the 328d is closer to the 320i than it is to the 328i. So while you are getting the same features, you are definitely giving up significant power.
Performance-wise, that may be true. But diesels have always been more about torque and efficiency over horsepower and speed. What BMW is marketing is the container that diesel engine comes in, not the engine itself.
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Anyone who thinks the numbers after the 3 have anything to do with the engine need a time machine to go back to when it actually did.

A 320 is BMW's "entry level" 3 series, where they strip out many features and make fewer options available. All to drop that price to a point where they can attract new business that might have otherwise bought plebeian Fords, Hyundais or Toyotas.

The 328d may have the same engine as the European 320d, but here in the US it is equipped the same way and has the same options as the more up-market 328i.

So you are not getting a 320d for 328i money. You are getting a 328d for 328i money, plus a small premium for the more expensive diesel engine. In a day when diesel was cheaper than 89, it was a no-brainer. Today, with diesel typically costing more than premium gas, you need quite a long time or driven miles to break even. The "ECO credit" helps with that. If it were available. But even still, diesels do have some advantages over gas, particularly longevity. A diesel is the perfect car for a person who has a long daily commute and puts a LOT of miles on a car.
You are wrong.

In Europe you can have all the options on a 320d. Just because BMW USA restricts options in the US does not justify them calling a 320d a 328d.

The number after the 3 indicates performance historically, not options.
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