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Motor Trend first test review of the 320i

I'm indebted to another Bimmerfest regular for pointing out Motor Trend's review, the first--I think--from the major market car enthusiast magazines:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...0i_first_look/

While their test car was not a manual transmission, it was equipped with the sport package.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:29 PM
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A very predictable review.

The 320i should sell well in the US and become the volume leader in 2014. I don't think too many of them will be sold with MT though.
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Pretty good review. Of course, as always, a little schizophrenic. So, in general their past assessment is that the F30 is one more indication that BMW is losing their way. But, this car is labelled a good compromise for the lower end of the price spectrum. And, "...the car is just as entertaining as you'd expect from a BMW with 50-50 front-rear weight distribution....The suspension tuning is just right, too."

Interesting too that he starts off comparing the car to two models its not actually in direct competition with and even so it beats them in 0 - 60 acceleration times. The C250 and IS250 are actually more naturally in competition with the 328. The 320i also beats the higher horsepower IS250 F in the figure eight in both time and g-forces. And it beats the higher horsepower A4 Quattro in g-forces and is just three tenths of a second slower in time.

More schizophrenia, when he lists the equipment that is not standard and is presumably the reason the car is $4,000 less expensive than the 328 the only two items on the list that are actually unique to the 320 are the lack of power seats and lack of auto-dimming mirrors. He mentions the extra cost for metallic paint on a BMW, but fails to mention that both Merc and Audi, BMW's primary competitors, also charge extra for metallic paint.

Overall I think the review is pretty good, but it sure can be hard to take these guys very seriously when they can't manage to make consistent and valid comparisons.


side note - it would be interesting to see this car compared to a 2005 E46 325i sport package model.


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Old 07-18-2013, 06:24 AM
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Pretty good review. Of course, as always, a little schizophrenic. So, in general their past assessment is that the F30 is one more indication that BMW is losing their way. But, this car is labelled a good compromise for the lower end of the price spectrum. And, "...the car is just as entertaining as you'd expect from a BMW with 50-50 front-rear weight distribution....The suspension tuning is just right, too."

Interesting too that he starts off comparing the car to two models its not actually in direct competition with and even so it beats them in 0 - 60 acceleration times. The C250 and IS250 are actually more naturally in competition with the 328. The 320i also beats the higher horsepower IS250 F in the figure eight in both time and g-forces. And it beats the higher horsepower A4 Quattro in g-forces and is just three tenths of a second slower in time.

More schizophrenia, when he lists the equipment that is not standard and is presumably the reason the car is $4,000 less expensive than the 328 the only two items on the list that are actually unique to the 320 are the lack of power seats and lack of auto-dimming mirrors. He mentions the extra cost for metallic paint on a BMW, but fails to mention that both Merc and Audi, BMW's primary competitors, also charge extra for metallic paint.

Overall I think the review is pretty good, but it sure can be hard to take these guys very seriously when they can't manage to make consistent and valid comparisons.


side note - it would be interesting to see this car compared to a 2005 E46 325i sport package model.


I found some C&D articles on the 325's:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test

I miss the E46....
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side note - it would be interesting to see this car compared to a 2005 E46 325i sport package model.


I had this very car. Of course what is missing is like an elephant in the room, explicitely the raw, smooth and fun I6. It was a bit too small for me though.
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Pretty good review. Of course, as always, a little schizophrenic. So, in general their past assessment is that the F30 is one more indication that BMW is losing their way. But, this car is labelled a good compromise for the lower end of the price spectrum. And, "...the car is just as entertaining as you'd expect from a BMW with 50-50 front-rear weight distribution....The suspension tuning is just right, too."

Interesting too that he starts off comparing the car to two models its not actually in direct competition with and even so it beats them in 0 - 60 acceleration times. The C250 and IS250 are actually more naturally in competition with the 328. The 320i also beats the higher horsepower IS250 F in the figure eight in both time and g-forces. And it beats the higher horsepower A4 Quattro in g-forces and is just three tenths of a second slower in time.

More schizophrenia, when he lists the equipment that is not standard and is presumably the reason the car is $4,000 less expensive than the 328 the only two items on the list that are actually unique to the 320 are the lack of power seats and lack of auto-dimming mirrors. He mentions the extra cost for metallic paint on a BMW, but fails to mention that both Merc and Audi, BMW's primary competitors, also charge extra for metallic paint.

Overall I think the review is pretty good, but it sure can be hard to take these guys very seriously when they can't manage to make consistent and valid comparisons.


side note - it would be interesting to see this car compared to a 2005 E46 325i sport package model.


The 320i seems aimed primarily at competing with the Audi A3 and the new MB CLA 250, I think. As for "side note - it would be interesting to see this car compared to a 2005 E46 325i sport package model," I traded in my 2003 E46 325i sport package 5-MT for my 2013 F30 320i sport package, 6-MT. Except for engine sound, the new car is a wonderful successor to my beloved E46 (I put 150,000 miles on that car).
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A very predictable review.

The 320i should sell like fresh Krispy Kreme doughnuts at a construction site in the US and become the volume leader in 2014. None of them will be sold with MT though.
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It was also interesting to me that the reviewer seemed to think that the X1 might be a better deal than the 320i--and the X1 can be had with sport package or M-sport package--but no manual transmission is possible with the X1 and the X1 is about 500 pounds heavier, while also being smaller inside and with less cargo space for those track wheels.
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Re: Motor Trend first test review of the 320i

I've had my 320i for a month now. I'm very happy with the purchase. As is my wife, who I bought the car for. She drives very 'spirited' for a chick, you'd be surprised. The first thing she said when the guy started the order was 'sport pack with summer tires!'.... My girl lol. The power is more than adequate and we ordered every option except premium. We spent well under 40k for a very nicely equipped BMW. Numbers really don't tell you how the car feels and drives. Truly exceptional. Oh afn for they nay sayers... The 320i is NOT a new car by any means, theve made 320i since the late 70s. They're BMWs bread and butter in Europe. a 320 is actually a pretty high end F30 in Germany, mainly because of the many more options they can get. Americans think the auto industry revolves around them. Yes.the US is a huge segment but you can't forget BMW is German, and Germans have a totally different mindset... Efficiency. They pay about 9 us dollars a gallon. mostly here in Germany when you see a 3er, it's a 318d, 5er a 520d, a 1er usually a 114 or 116 diesel. BMW is not headed in a different direction, they're just offering more models to the US. Americans are just use to the 'big motor bimmers' as they call them here. Welcome to the rest of the world US. Anyway, imo, most of the people talking carp about the 320 have never driven one. Or can't afford it. I really think true.enthusiasts see the 320 as it is, a gas sipping, fun F30. just drive one, seriously.

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...and the X1 is about 500 pounds heavier, while also being smaller inside and with less cargo space for those track wheels.
I don't know where you're getting your info. The X1 is 2" taller, 2" shorter, and within 20 lbs or so of a F31 xDrive28i... It's also less well equipped and $10K cheaper.

The difference in price to a 320i is much less, however.
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I am cross shopping between X1 and 320i

Very similarly priced. I am quite torn. My hears really wants another 3 series sport sedan, but I also like the hydraulic steering of X1....

If I get the X1 it will be X-Drive and utilized for Skiing too.
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I am cross shopping between X1 and 320i

Very similarly priced. I am quite torn. My hears really wants another 3 series sport sedan, but I also like the hydraulic steering of X1....

If I get the X1 it will be X-Drive and utilized for Skiing too.
I think you should look at what body style you want. That should be easy and will help you think better. If it were a GT and x1, It would be difficult.

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I am cross shopping between X1 and 320i

Very similarly priced. I am quite torn. My hears really wants another 3 series sport sedan, but I also like the hydraulic steering of X1....

If I get the X1 it will be X-Drive and utilized for Skiing too.
I you like the look of an X1, that's probably your best choice. It's a bargain compared to the 3 series.
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I don't know where you're getting your info. The X1 is 2" taller, 2" shorter, and within 20 lbs or so of a F31 xDrive28i... It's also less well equipped and $10K cheaper.

The difference in price to a 320i is much less, however.
bmwusa.com shows that base MSRP of X1 s128i and 320i are $30800 and $32500, while the unladen weights are 3527lb and 3295lb. The added 230lb on X1 would mean both cars probably have similar 0-60 despite the additional horsepower on the X1 s128i. For $1700 less and a bit more trunk space the X1 can be a good fit for some, although F30 provides a more modern platform than X1.
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First post here since my last purchase in 2002. Been lurking on the 320i discussions for a bit - good stuff here. Recently ordered the 320i in white with MT, sport package and the xenons. The car will be a replacement for my 2003 325i (same options other than xenons) which I bought new via ED. The coming 320i is also via ED in Sept (from Mark Carvahlo at JMK - great experience thus far).

I dont understand all the whining about the de-contenting of 320i and the options. This car seems more in line with the 3-series tradition than those with all of the electronic and camera gizmos. The 320i sport package/MT stripper is what got me excited and off my butt to order.
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bmwusa.com shows that base MSRP of X1 s128i and 320i are $30800 and $32500, while the unladen weights are 3527lb and 3295lb. The added 230lb on X1 would mean both cars probably have similar 0-60 despite the additional horsepower on the X1 s128i. For $1700 less and a bit more trunk space the X1 can be a good fit for some, although F30 provides a more modern platform than X1.
The X1 xDrive28i is faster than the 320i. Tests have showed it to get to 60 mph in about 6.2 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.9 at 93 mph (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...8i-test-review) vs the 320 in the MT test at 6.7, 15.2 and 90.1. These are not huge differences but the sDrive28i should be faster as it's lighter. The xDrive28i weighs about 3700 pounds.
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When I went to the dealer I was going to order a X1, then he showed me a 320 and explained the f30 cubic space is larger, more rear passenger leg room, and bigger trunk.... The f30 was a no Brainer. Plusses f30 look 1000x better. Imo up close, in person an X1 is hideous. To each their own though

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bmwusa.com shows that base MSRP of X1 s128i and 320i are $30800 and $32500, while the unladen weights are 3527lb and 3295lb. The added 230lb on X1 would mean both cars probably have similar 0-60 despite the additional horsepower on the X1 s128i. For $1700 less and a bit more trunk space the X1 can be a good fit for some, although F30 provides a more modern platform than X1.
I'm comparing awd wagon to awd sav, while you're comparing sedan ... I like my comparison better - closer in terms of apples to apples, especially engine and transmission.
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I'm indebted to another Bimmerfest regular for pointing out Motor Trend's review, the first--I think--from the major market car enthusiast magazines:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...0i_first_look/

While their test car was not a manual transmission, it was equipped with the sport package.
Good review, thanks for sharing.
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But still no manual transmission on the X1.
X1 also does not have rear passenger vents and IDrive as standard, however fold-down rear seats are standard, although those rear seats feel more like benches and not too comfy.

I priced a X1 s128i similar to my 328i and it is $4k+ cheaper, for the same 245hp/250lb-ft engine for maybe 30lb additional weight(for same 8AT), that's pretty good. Just like sport package being a bargain on 320i, X1's ultimate package(driver assist + technology + premium) is a relative deal at $6k.

Passenger experience wise, I sat in a X1 s128i loaner of a coworker, the main complaint was the lack of rear AC vents(on hot days) and uncomfortable rear bench seats. X1 is 4-5 inches shorter than F30, but backing up seemed to be inconvenient without rearview camera(which must be ordered with driver assist and technology). The 245hp/250lb-ft did seem to give a lively ride IMO from rear passenger point-of-view.

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