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E30 (1982 - 1993)
God's Chariot. The E30 was produced primarily from 1982 through 1991. The cabriolet was the one exception which was produced through 1993.

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Old 07-18-2013, 08:24 PM
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Offered a trade for 1986 325e +cash for 1991 318is. Is it worth it?

They want to trade plus 1800 cash. The car has a new interior and new paint with basketweaves. I haven't seen it yet but will get photos soon to check it out. Bad news is it has 210k on the odometer. My 325e has 191k Lots of maintenance records come with this car.

I know it might be premature, but I've read that the 318is is a desirable vehicle.

Is it worth the 1800 over my 325e?

He wants 4500 without trade.

Thanks ahead of time.

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Old 07-19-2013, 04:56 AM
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it sounds good to me on face value, but the seller is either stupid or there are major problems with the 325e
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Old 07-19-2013, 07:43 AM
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it sounds good to me on face value, but the seller is either stupid or there are major problems with the 325e
Yea there is nothing major wrong with my 325e. Mechanically it is sound, but needs a few cosmetic things here or there.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:00 AM
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Yeah, you got that backwards, Andy. The poster is the one that has the 325e. Someone wants it, and is willing to trade a '91 318is. The person that owns the 318 wants 325e plus $1800 ().

Look over that 318 closely, drive it, check it out thoroughly. If it checks out, DO IT. In equal condition the '91 is worth more than the 325e by a good margin.
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:43 PM
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Offered a trade for 1986 325e +cash for 1991 318is. Is it worth it?

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Old 07-20-2013, 04:11 PM
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I don't think he'll trade without cash added and this 325 right now is no longer in running condition. Clutch pedal just drops to floor now. You can also only lock the driver door from the inside when the door is shut. Also the battery is getting drained by something in the car causing it to be unable to start daily without a jump.
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Old 07-20-2013, 04:50 PM
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Like I said, do it, with the $1800. You'll be way ahead in value.
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Old 07-20-2013, 06:00 PM
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Does any know about the charging issue my 325e has the same problem i thought it was a slipping belt
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Old 07-20-2013, 06:34 PM
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Please create your own thread to ask for help. It's considered bad forum manners to hijack someone else's thread.
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Old 07-21-2013, 12:35 AM
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Re: Offered a trade for 1986 325e +cash for 1991 318is. Is it worth it?

Its a good trade IS have better headers and more torque, they also dont have the ugly chrome bumpers as the 325. 210k miles is nothing. As long as the timing belt was replaced with in a year.. VERY IMPORTANT. same motor m20b25. Id say get it. But try to bribe him lower on the trade. Like 1200.

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Old 07-21-2013, 08:31 AM
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No, it is NOT the same motor. A '91 318is has the M42, which is chain drive to the cam. The chain lasts 250k easily. I've seen plenty of them at 350k and more with no issues.
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Old 07-21-2013, 12:02 PM
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No, it is NOT the same motor. A '91 318is has the M42, which is chain drive to the cam. The chain lasts 250k easily. I've seen plenty of them at 350k and more with no issues.
Is it pretty obvious when the chain is going to go?
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Old 07-21-2013, 12:32 PM
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The chain tensioner will make noise FAR before the chain goes. And when the chain goes, it doesn't break (at least I've never seen one fail), it just gets stretched and cam timing gets wonky. It's really not a concern. You're talking about ~350-400k miles. You've got years and years of life left in that engine. Just keep up with maintenance, and replace the cooling system. Unless they have proof the whole system has been replaced recently, you need to replace all of it. BMWs are notorious for cooling system failures of the plastic bits, and that includes the radiator. I will say that the M42 seems to tolerate an overheat better than the M20, but none of them survive if severely overheated.
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Old 07-27-2013, 04:02 PM
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Okay, so I finally got to look at and drive the car. He had it repainted, but there are runs in the paint.

The brakes are rattling and he says it's because of the pads. The brake sensor light is on because the sensor is missing.

There is a small crack in the front plastic bumper. The interior looks fine mostly, but the dash is cracked and it is missing the passenger side visor, plus the headliner is coming loose in some spots.

The basketweaves are missing a center cap.

The odometer is not working.

The A/C is not working and he claims it needs to be charged.

He wants my car the 1986 BMW 325e plus $2k in cash.

I don't think this is worth it.

Tires look new though and the car drives solid.

Odometer was reading 218k.

I didn't see any rust on it at all, but it could have just been painted over too.

What should I offer if anything?
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Old 07-27-2013, 06:18 PM
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What should I offer if anything?
Based on your description, offer him your thanks for the time and walk away. If the brakes, AC and paint condition are any indication of how the car was cared for, you don't want it.
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Old 07-27-2013, 06:26 PM
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Based on your description, offer him your thanks for the time and walk away. If the brakes, AC and paint condition are any indication of how the car was cared for, you don't want it.
He dropped the price further down to 1400 because the A/C won't hold a charge. I think the brakes is the anti-rattle pin and pads.

Here's the craigslist ad

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/3964189592.html

Of note my 325e does not have a fully functioning central locking system. (can only lock driver door from inside when shut) No working A/c, slave cylinder is shot, and a battery drain coming from somewhere, plus one of the tires needs to be replaced.

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Old 07-27-2013, 07:05 PM
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It looks a lot better than I anticipated. The interior looks really good except for the dash (and good E30 dashes are rare).

Is he fully aware of the deficiencies in your car? Don't take that the wrong way...I don't think you're trying to pull a fast one on him, but if he knows what needs doing on your car and still wants to do a trade+ cash, it makes me wonder what he's not telling you.

I'd offer him your car an a grand and see how that goes. Ultimately your choice, but I'd be tempted to get it if you can get him down a bit on the cash part.
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Old 07-27-2013, 09:52 PM
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It looks a lot better than I anticipated. The interior looks really good except for the dash (and good E30 dashes are rare).

Is he fully aware of the deficiencies in your car? Don't take that the wrong way...I don't think you're trying to pull a fast one on him, but if he knows what needs doing on your car and still wants to do a trade+ cash, it makes me wonder what he's not telling you.

I'd offer him your car an a grand and see how that goes. Ultimately your choice, but I'd be tempted to get it if you can get him down a bit on the cash part.
I talked him down to 1300 and did the trade. I definitely got the better deal. :-D It also has extensive maintenance records included.
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Old 07-27-2013, 11:06 PM
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:11 AM
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I like my 325i but I hate to admit, I've never driven or ridden (rode?) in a 318 of any type. I gather the 325i is a bit more speedy than the 325e but I'm not certain of much of anything on this. My only other E30 experience is as a passenger in a client's 89 325is with an automatic. Holy crap, that car was slow. Looks great, has cherry Recaros (about 140K) but I was really surprised by the slowness.

I wouldn't mind an extra 8 mpg (if the 318 yields that) but I also like the punch my car has.
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