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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 08-21-2013, 07:03 AM
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Yes the cic from the 3 series is the same as the 6 series some comes with no glass some does. I actually like the one without the glass because there's no glare. I ordered my combox today, I will add it to my cic this weekend I got it on ebay for $200 asking price is around $300 install is easy if you already have bluetooth and usb inside your center console if not than it's a pain but well worth it. hopefully I can do the coding. I also would like to add front and rear camera with the ability to switch between them using one of the programmable button on my steering wheel and of course as soon as you put the car in reverse without loosing my PDC however I cant seems to find a code video module as they all confusing and stuff and I cant think of nice and way to mount the cameras
What's the part number on the combox that you ordered? I have seen some for around $250 but kept waiting for one to pop up closer to $200 before I bought one

Hey, I'm in the middle of building a plug and play wiring harness to connect the combox. I'm building 3 and keeping 1--I want to sell the other two.

Just let me know if you're interested.
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:44 AM
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Question Harness adapter for iDrive Controller?




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Any luck in detrmining the part #, or have a spare for me? I think I have everything else on order or on the way already - except that little part! Here's hoping for an easy hookup, coding of the VO, and enjoy! I have no idea what maps were on my CIC, assume US and 2009 or later, yes?

As for combox, if my Dension ends up NOT working, then I may want one of those custom harnesses. B-R from Canada say that the Dension (seen as a CDC) would continue to work (external sat tuner also) with a CIC retrofit. ...but NOT an external HD tuner, hence my US-spec CIC purchase from Carter650i.

Here's another source to find used parts: car-parts.com That was how I could determine the high-res 8.8" screen cross-applications and the interchange # - came from a listing I saw there.

Let me share some information re: iDrive controllers: From RealOEM, it looks like there were two different ones with part #'s ending in 0958 or 0959 as the latest. These #'s are just a single digit apart, with 5 part numbers for each - first four for each were "ENDED". So, my guess is that any of the multi-button 2009+ controllers would be found to have one of a possible 10 part #'s selected from the groups below:

No. Description Supplement Qty From Up To Part Number Price Notes Photo
01 Controller 1 09/2008 03/2009 65829189050 ENDED
01 Controller 1 09/2008 09/2009 65829213311 ENDED
01 Controller 1 09/2008 03/2010 65829205179 ENDED
01 Controller 1 09/2008 12/2010 65829231118 ENDED
01 Controller 1 09/2008 65829240958
For vehicles with
National version Korea
and
NATIONAL VERSION JAPAN
and
National version China
and
TV function
and
Navigation system Professional
and
Ländersteuerung Hong Kong 04142
L802A=Yes

L807A=Yes

L8AAA=Yes

S601A=Yes

S609A=Yes

S8LHA=Yes (Only the first set where all 6 conditions met with "Yes" had the latest controller as ending in 0958. All the other permutations of response to the six questions yielded the same set of number seen just below - add 1 to each of the part #'s above... Note also that there are 4 different overseas (Asian) versions but no US version, ours would be 4x "NO', a "YES" for nav, and a "NO for Hong Kong)


01 Controller 1 09/2008 03/2009 65829189051 ENDED
01 Controller 1 09/2008 09/2009 65829213312 ENDED
01 Controller 1 09/2008 03/2010 65829205180 ENDED
01 Controller 1 09/2008 12/2010 65829231119 ENDED
01 Controller 1 09/2008 65829240959
For vehicles with
National version Korea
and
NATIONAL VERSION JAPAN
and
National version China
and
TV function
and
Navigation system Professional
and
Ländersteuerung Hong Kong 04142 = No
L802A=Yes

L807A=Yes

L8AAA=Yes

S601A=Yes

S609A=Yes

S8LHA=No
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:49 AM
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Sorry, I knew I was forgetting something last night when I got home.. I'll look for the number in a second
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:57 AM
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I can't find that one anywhere---I'll look at the part when I get home.
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:03 PM
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Maybe only on the label on the plastic bag

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I can't find that one anywhere---I'll look at the part when I get home.
that the part came in?
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:10 PM
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I'm talking about the little connector that goes on the idrive controller
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:14 PM
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Yes, me too. I was just thinking hat for very small parts (like screws or nuts, etc.) they often come to us in a bag that has a label with the BMW Part Number - and the "Ein Stuck" (one piece) on there too!
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:08 PM
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What's the part number on the combox that you ordered? I have seen some for around $250 but kept waiting for one to pop up closer to $200 before I bought one

Hey, I'm in the middle of building a plug and play wiring harness to connect the combox. I'm building 3 and keeping 1--I want to sell the other two.

Just let me know if you're interested.

hey man I have not receive the combox yet as soon as I do, I will take pictures and know about the part number, as for the harness I already got one. sorry
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:45 PM
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hey man I have not receive the combox yet as soon as I do, I will take pictures and know about the part number, as for the harness I already got one. sorry
Good deal-I saw one available at one of the retrofit places for not a lot more than it will end up taking me to make this one probably, but whatever, I bought some new ratcheting wire crimpers the other day that I've been wanting to use, so I'm going to try to make one first, haha

Need to change my control arms out first though before I do any more "aesthetic" mods

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Old 08-21-2013, 03:18 PM
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Good deal-I saw one available at one of the retrofit places for not a lot more than it will end up taking me to make this one probably, but whatever, I bought some new ratcheting wire crimpers the other day that I've been wanting to use, so I'm going to try to make one first, haha

Need to change my control arms out first though before I do any more "aesthetic" mods
same here my control arms needs to be replace too, so I think. but these mods are so sweet, I cant escape them.. im trying to add the front and rear view camera and use the programmable button on the steering wheel to switch between input.
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Old 08-21-2013, 05:29 PM
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Found it!

http://www.onlinecomponents.com/te-connectivity-amp-brand-9688131.html?p=43816490

Tyco 968813-1

BMW 837723403 (I haven't found anything using this number)
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Old 08-21-2013, 05:55 PM
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iDrive Controller

I will check out that part, thanks for tracking it down. From reading today, looks like the early adopters simply used the larger of the TWO harnesses (the piece with just the two buttons had one and the bigger rotary dial box had another) that were found on our CCC cars and moved wires into the larger single 4-wire harness that had been in the two-button switch - and plugged that into the new controller. So with part number now in hand, just what does that small adapter piece in the photos above do? How was it used in doing the install?

Combox

I could not help myself - did a little bit of looking on RealOEM. These were first found on the MY11 on the F-series cars (I looked up the F10 550i), so it's obvious why we in the E-series crowd want to retrofit...

Looks like we want Combox Media…. maybe combox telematics, but those functions seem to get coded out for internet to work...(read a bit on that today as well in the coding forums). We do not want Combox telematics for GPS as that seems to be for cars without navigation.

Just below they are all called "combox telematics" but the illustration was clearly for combox media - had to click that to get this listing. 3 part numbers given - of which two are "ENDED". Seems to me that there were two part numbers for combox media:

01 Combox for Telematics 10/2010 84109244191 ENDED
01 Combox for Telematics 03/2011 84109251739 ENDED

and one more for combox telematics:

01 Combox for Telematics 07/2012 84109257153 a current number

Details - a bit confusing actually...

For vehicles with
Navigation system Professional
and
Preparation f mobile phone cpl. USA/CDN
and
Control for Combox
S609A=Yes

S639A=Yes

S6VCA=Yes date began
01 Combox for Telematics 10/2010 84109244191 ENDED
01 Combox for Telematics 03/2011 84109251739 ENDED
01 Combox for Telematics 07/2012 84109257153


Here is the one combox telematics part number:

For vehicles with
Navigation system Professional
and
Connection Bluetooth + USB devices incl.
and
CIC-Zusteuerung
S609A=Yes

S6NLA=Yes

S6VAA=Yes
01 Combox for Telematics 07/2012 84109257153 Note: this is the same as the third and current current number just above...

If you are wanting to buy a combox with part number 84109257154, no - that is is the combox telematics for GPS, first listed in 07/2012 - again, for non-nav F cars.
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:00 PM
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84109257153 is the one I was looking at.. keep in mind the "telematics" versions will work.. they're just [usually] more expensive

I can't find anyone with that connector in stock, but the link I posted says they'll have them in a week or so
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:01 PM
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Found it!

http://www.onlinecomponents.com/te-connectivity-amp-brand-9688131.html?p=43816490

Tyco 968813-1

BMW 837723403 (I haven't found anything using this number)
I will look for this piece tonight. Your BMW part number may be missing two digits? Even so, looks like it is probably under the 8377 group...
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:03 PM
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I will look for this piece tonight. Your BMW part number may be missing two digits? Even so, looks like it is probably under the 8377 group...
the "03" kind of looked like it was separate from the rest.. so I searched for 8377234 and found a little more on that. Still no one that has it available, but probably a good place to start

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Old 08-21-2013, 06:45 PM
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RealOEM has a few 4-pole connectors under vehicle electrical systems, diverse connectors and these two look promising:


04 Universal socket housing uncoded 4 POL. ? 61138380696 $0.93 edit: this is it!
only in conjunction with


System AMP / Tyco
05 Universal pin terminal uncoded 4 POL. ? 61136925611 $1.20
only in conjunction with

You can see these here: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...80&hg=61&fg=15

PLUG TERMINAL ELO NOT WATERPROOF

I think 4 is the plug that you put pins into. 5 looks like an extension, female on one end, male on the other...
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61138380696 looks like the closest one to me, but I can't find any real confirmation it's the right one.. ah well

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Old 08-22-2013, 05:54 AM
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6 pin to 8 pin plug - screen power?

I am reviewing all you photos just to get a feel for the install. Emulator on the way, etc... So, not having received my parts yet, where does the new 8-pin plug that you move 4 wires from old plug come from? Is it included in the CIC-CID cable set or in another of the listed items?

This step appears in your photos as you work to use existing power cable to get power to the new screen.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:57 AM
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CID CAN/power connector (61136954526) I believe is what you are referring to..

Mine was black (one below is green as are most pictures of it for whatever reason).. basically you take apart the old power connector, and move the wires to this new connector.. same wire are used, they're just arranged a little differently

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Old 08-22-2013, 05:59 AM
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Here are the pictures of that particular process

Quote:


holes in the dash..


You have to replace this connector with a new model. Push in this tab to pull out the housing the wires are actually connected to


This one..


Push in on the little metal clip things and the pins will slide out. They get caught in a second place, so you may have to do this twice to each one


tada!





How the new one is wired..


done


Wires in..


Not sure what this is
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Old 08-22-2013, 06:04 AM
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Aha! Yes, that connector is one of the parts on your initial list:

CID CAN/power connector "socket housing" (61136954526) - $2.88

and one is on its way to me. All good! I guess the old lever snap-in housing used to secure the connection to the old CCC's screen is not used on the new CID - just plug the newly worked plug in...
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Old 08-22-2013, 06:09 AM
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Aha! Yes, that connector is one of the parts on your initial list, for $2.88, and one is on its way to me. All good! I guess the old lever snap-in housing used to secure the connection to the old CCC's screen is not used on the new CID - just plug the newly worked plug in...
You got it

Just keep the old connector around just in case you have to make a trip to the dealer.. I tried to hook up my ICOM yesterday (my power supply finally showed up) to mess around in ISTA/P and found that it wouldn't let me do crap while the CIC was installed, so I'm sure the same would happen at the dealer
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:32 PM
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You got it

Just keep the old connector around just in case you have to make a trip to the dealer.. I tried to hook up my ICOM yesterday (my power supply finally showed up) to mess around in ISTA/P and found that it wouldn't let me do crap while the CIC was installed, so I'm sure the same would happen at the dealer
that's correct whatever you do DO NOT SELL OR GET RID OF YOUR CCC UNIT,, YOU MUST KEEP IT. for obvious reason like trip to the stearlership and some diagnostic could only be done with the original equipment.
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Old 08-25-2013, 05:39 AM
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I believe I made a discovery..

The original idrive controller had a wider wiring connector, something like 6 or 8 pins, then the menu button has a separate connector with only 4 pins

Well guess what.... That four pin connector is the one you need! You'll just have to pull the pins out and use it for the new idrive controller. I'll post pics of how it gets wired once I get around to installing mine
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Old 08-25-2013, 07:51 AM
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I believe I made a discovery..

The original idrive controller had a wider wiring connector, something like 6 or 8 pins, then the menu button has a separate connector with only 4 pins

Well guess what.... That four pin connector is the one you need! You'll just have to pull the pins out and use it for the new idrive controller. I'll post pics of how it gets wired once I get around to installing mine
Nice, keep us posted, I didnt have to do that but I would love learn.
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