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Old 08-01-2013, 03:29 PM
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I'm looking to part ways w/ my car and I'm looking hard at getting a 335 specifically. Was curious about owners opinions on the car - and I'm not worried about the driving aspect I'm sure it drives great. Mostly want to know common complaints, breaks & fixes, things to look for. Just general opinions about the car. My best bud had a 07 328ix and it was a great driver, but it broke down twice a year and the minute his warranty ended he got out of that car. Had a bunch of gremlins, and I thought maybe it was because of the all wheel drive. Anyways was really curious if the turbo isn't as much fun as NA, or if its presented some common breakdown problems.

I've got (what was originally my fathers) 2000 540i sport and I can't sing that things praises enough. At 166k miles its had its moments where it needed fixes/repairs but nothing major. I've driven more expensive cars, but none nicer in regards to luxury + performance.

I appreciate the feedback and look forward to it, thanks guys!
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Old 08-01-2013, 03:39 PM
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I've had just about every issue with my 335i that is known to them, I'm talking:

-Turbo wastegate rattle
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-Oil Filter Housing Gasket leak
-Front Thrust Bushings leaking
-Transmission Mechantronic sleeve leak
-Water Pump failure
-O2 sensor failure

Is my car full of Gremlins? Sure.
Does it piss me off to no end when I have to drive a loaner? Ehh, depends on what I get.
But would I go back on my purchase of a 335i? HELL NO!!!!

I'm sure you are going to hear horror stories like mine, but there are plenty of owners out there that have not had any major problems. You just need to do the research on the particular 335i you are looking and and DO, DO, DO, DO, DO!!! a pre purchase inspection.
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I don't own a 335, I have a 330xi but I work enough around them that I know them well.

If your buddy's 328 problems twice a year are giving you worries, a 335 won't be much better. My 330xi has been great and very reliable. The one exception was when I had to get a tow when my water pump failed. But that's inevitable with these electric water pumps.....they just fail with no warning. My 335 buddies are always complaining about issues but at the same time, they don't go and brag how well their car is running so I don't hear both sides.

The guy above covers all the stuff most BMWs have issues with. Obviously only the turbo engines will have the wastegates, turbos, etc.

With all that being said, they are great cars to mod. Good power gains can be made with bolts on and there is huge market of aftermarket products.
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:17 PM
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Haha, love it!

I love the enthusiasm, I hope I love it that much after a test drive!

My problem is I'm poor, and am looking at a used 335 in the $20-$24k range so it's going to have mileage. And I doubt I'll be covered under a warranty. Although I will say this forum (for E39's) has saved me a ton in stealership costs for the past three years - and am going to continue to lean on it for any/all future BMW's.

Sidebar to the repairs you mention: two 335's I've researched both had tranny leak fixed, O2 sensors and fuel injectors replaced. Which is exactly the kind of info I'm looking for. Thanks for your feedback it's greatly appreciated!
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:25 PM
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Agreed

My buddy loved his 328ix for the record, but he doesn't do well under a hood, and major breaks were a deal breaker for him. He got a Lexus IS250 and while its a lovely car it's gutless and the steering is so loose it feels like a toy :/

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I don't own a 335, I have a 330xi but I work enough around them that I know them well.

If your buddy's 328 problems twice a year are giving you worries, a 335 won't be much better. My 330xi has been great and very reliable. The one exception was when I had to get a tow when my water pump failed. But that's inevitable with these electric water pumps.....they just fail with no warning. My 335 buddies are always complaining about issues but at the same time, they don't go and brag how well their car is running so I don't hear both sides.

The guy above covers all the stuff most BMWs have issues with. Obviously only the turbo engines will have the wastegates, turbos, etc.

With all that being said, they are great cars to mod. Good power gains can be made with bolts on and there is huge market of aftermarket products.
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I love the enthusiasm, I hope I love it that much after a test drive!

My problem is I'm poor, and am looking at a used 335 in the $20-$24k range so it's going to have mileage. And I doubt I'll be covered under a warranty. Although I will say this forum (for E39's) has saved me a ton in stealership costs for the past three years - and am going to continue to lean on it for any/all future BMW's.

Sidebar to the repairs you mention: two 335's I've researched both had tranny leak fixed, O2 sensors and fuel injectors replaced. Which is exactly the kind of info I'm looking for. Thanks for your feedback it's greatly appreciated!
I have not had issues with our BMWs but I maintain them extremely well and we don't beat on them. Any car is going to have problems if not treated well.

That being said however, if you are poor like you stated, then I would steer you towards something more reliable like a Subaru WRX.
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Re: No BS opinions from 335 owners

I have a 2011 E90 335i xDrive w/ 6-speed manual with 20K on ODO. The following are the list of issues I've had:
1. Needs a quart of oil every 4000 miles or so.
2. Adaptive lights failure required a software flash - no parts were replaced.


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Mine is at 48,000 miles now. VANOS failure repaired under warranty. Cost was $1,600 intra-company rates (BMW pays to BMW dealer) - private party (customer) should expect to be charged $2,300 - $2,500.

Other than that, the car was and still is rock solid. I do perform extra maintenance (oil, brake fluid, in 3 weeks is time for transmission fluid and diff fluid) but I also drive it very hard once the oil reaches operating temp. I hope your "I'm poor" comment was tongue-in-cheek because if it wasn't, you shouldn't walk away from N54/N55, you should run so fast that Usain Bolt can't keep up with you.

Right now, routine maintenance appointment I took with local indy shop comprising of MT oil change, diff oil change, new spark plugs, track inspection and walnut blast of intake valves (if necessary - to be determined while changing spark plugs) will run $1,300 OTD. No repairs, mind you. Even with factory maintenance in place I think I spent about $1,000 a year on average all things considered (tires, brake fluid, track inspections, winter wheels/tires ... and so on). Maybe even more. Now, I budgeted at least $1,500/year on routine maintenance and running costs once I cross 50,000 miles in 2,000 miles.
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I love the enthusiasm, I hope I love it that much after a test drive!

My problem is I'm poor, and am looking at a used 335 in the $20-$24k range so it's going to have mileage. And I doubt I'll be covered under a warranty. Although I will say this forum (for E39's) has saved me a ton in stealership costs for the past three years - and am going to continue to lean on it for any/all future BMW's.
This is not the right car for you, IMO. Sorry. I don't think that's enough budget to get into a 335i and not find yourself stuck down the road.

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I have a 2009 I bought new and maintained it well. Just hit 60k and, other than the recall on the fuel pump and injectors, I have not had one problem with it. I also believe that if you maintain your car and don't beat the crap out of it you should have minimum problems.
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Thank you very much Johnc_22, bobkat09, and Mark K!!
Beta, part recalls, expected service - great info to know going in!
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Accidentally hit the send button twice while getting off the can :/
Is there a way to delete a post? I'm on my phone and couldn't find one.

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Depends, what kind of mileage you plan on putting on the car. If its your daily, I'd suggest looking else where. It's a great car and I wouldn't never give mine up. However, it should be treated like a part time lover. Good luck


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As far as your budget goes. 24k is plenty, but you'll be looking for an upper mileage vehicle. I bought mine for 19-20k with 84k miles on it.

Some people think that's stupid to buy a car like this at its half way point in life. However, if you look at the vehicles history, and it hasn't had a lot of work and hasn't been in any accidents, then it should be fine. These cars are a crap-shoot, you don't know if its going to be a problem child until you run into it. But if you find one that's been through a half it's life and it hasn't been a problem.. It probably won't be for you either. IF you treat it properly.


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I'd personally keep the E39 540 ... after leasing a 335i, although fun, I can see it being expensive/problematic in the long run. If you're poor, the wise choice is to keep what you have and not curse yourself with unexpected repairs.
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There are so many people that ask about this car... It's almost unreal. I try to give the same answer to these people.

If your head over-heels in-love with the 335i, buy it and worry about the other stuff later (thats what i did, Im the type to make irrational decisions) If your questioning the car, then you're not dead set on owning it. If you're open to suggestions, go for the e46 330ci ZHP.


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I'd personally keep the E39 540 ... after leasing a 335i, although fun, I can see it being expensive/problematic in the long run. If you're poor, the wise choice is to keep what you have and not curse yourself with unexpected repairs.
I agree with "keep the 540i." It's a gorgeous car with lots of power. It hasn't been giving you problems so far. You get to keep $24k in your pocket instead of spending it all THEN dealing with potentially multiple thousands in maintenance costs on an E90.

Seems like the safer bet to me.
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Thanks Nun!

Appreciate it.

Yeah it'd be my daily driver. And I do all the easy peripheral work on my own car - only things I won't do are 1. open the engine up, 2. anything that requires a tool that can't be bought at Autozone/OReillys.

I'd rather buy an older car that's fun and I love vs buying a new Jetta or something boring. The E39 was/has been rock solid but the reality is at 166k it's time to move on. My other cars in my sights are the e90 330i, and the 545/550. I wanted a 3series because its smaller but big enough for everything I need. The 335 intrigues me the most, but I'd noticed on the various Carfax's I'd read there were several that needed significant fixes at a fairly lower mileage. I posted in here to see if its just a couple bad apples, or if there was a pattern. Because if its a pattern I'll chose something less fun/less risky. My next car will be another BMW. I love them, and love working on mine and the satisfaction that comes from doing it all myself and giving the dealerships double middle fingers lol. But I'm semi rational and know that if I buy an older fun car it can't be something that's constantly on jack stands in my driveway. I'm a young guy w/ student loans and a GF that likes nice things lol.
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Appreciate it.

Yeah it'd be my daily driver. And I do all the easy peripheral work on my own car - only things I won't do are 1. open the engine up, 2. anything that requires a tool that can't be bought at Autozone/OReillys.

I'd rather buy an older car that's fun and I love vs buying a new Jetta or something boring. The E39 was/has been rock solid but the reality is at 166k it's time to move on. My other cars in my sights are the e90 330i, and the 545/550. I wanted a 3series because its smaller but big enough for everything I need. The 335 intrigues me the most, but I'd noticed on the various Carfax's I'd read there were several that needed significant fixes at a fairly lower mileage. I posted in here to see if its just a couple bad apples, or if there was a pattern. Because if its a pattern I'll chose something less fun/less risky. My next car will be another BMW. I love them, and love working on mine and the satisfaction that comes from doing it all myself and giving the dealerships double middle fingers lol. But I'm semi rational and know that if I buy an older fun car it can't be something that's constantly on jack stands in my driveway. I'm a young guy w/ student loans and a GF that likes nice things lol.

E46 coupe, was/is one of the most beautiful designed BMWs ever, and fairly reliable, especially the M54 with 6 speed manual. Plenty out there, gobs of balance and fun.
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I'm starting to lean that way. Glad I asked people who actually own the car. Turbo intrigues me greatly, it also frightens me.
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Appreciate it.

Yeah it'd be my daily driver. And I do all the easy peripheral work on my own car - only things I won't do are 1. open the engine up, 2. anything that requires a tool that can't be bought at Autozone/OReillys.

I'd rather buy an older car that's fun and I love vs buying a new Jetta or something boring. The E39 was/has been rock solid but the reality is at 166k it's time to move on. My other cars in my sights are the e90 330i, and the 545/550. I wanted a 3series because its smaller but big enough for everything I need. The 335 intrigues me the most, but I'd noticed on the various Carfax's I'd read there were several that needed significant fixes at a fairly lower mileage. I posted in here to see if its just a couple bad apples, or if there was a pattern. Because if its a pattern I'll chose something less fun/less risky. My next car will be another BMW. I love them, and love working on mine and the satisfaction that comes from doing it all myself and giving the dealerships double middle fingers lol. But I'm semi rational and know that if I buy an older fun car it can't be something that's constantly on jack stands in my driveway. I'm a young guy w/ student loans and a GF that likes nice things lol.
I stopped reading at the top. Stay away from any newer BMW (06 and up). Do yourself and your wallet a favor. There WILL be issues, it's just a matter of WHEN, not IF. That's a fact. If you can look past that, and don't mind (which it looks like you can't in all honesty), go for it. Sometimes the great looks of a car and the way it drives is enough to keep people paying for maintenance, no matter what. You'll need a whole lot of passion within you to do that.

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Appreciate it.

Yeah it'd be my daily driver. And I do all the easy peripheral work on my own car - only things I won't do are 1. open the engine up, 2. anything that requires a tool that can't be bought at Autozone/OReillys.

I'd rather buy an older car that's fun and I love vs buying a new Jetta or something boring. The E39 was/has been rock solid but the reality is at 166k it's time to move on. My other cars in my sights are the e90 330i, and the 545/550. I wanted a 3series because its smaller but big enough for everything I need. The 335 intrigues me the most, but I'd noticed on the various Carfax's I'd read there were several that needed significant fixes at a fairly lower mileage. I posted in here to see if its just a couple bad apples, or if there was a pattern. Because if its a pattern I'll chose something less fun/less risky. My next car will be another BMW. I love them, and love working on mine and the satisfaction that comes from doing it all myself and giving the dealerships double middle fingers lol. But I'm semi rational and know that if I buy an older fun car it can't be something that's constantly on jack stands in my driveway. I'm a young guy w/ student loans and a GF that likes nice things lol.
330i is gonna be simpler and more reliable. I like the E46 suggestion even better (I think it's better looking than the pre-LCI E90).
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Mike Miller, the tech expert for the BMW car club says the N54 engine in the 335 from 2007 to 2009 wasn't even a beta project. It was released too soon. Look around through the threads on this site and you will find multiple people reporting problems you will certainly have if you keep the car to even 100k miles, let alone 150k.

Here's my favorite list of fixes you will need to do:

decarbonize the intake valves and ports
replace the electric fuel pump and thermostat
replace the oil filter housing gasket (need to remove the intake manifold to do that to remove one bolt)
injectors (BMW had a recall on these, but often didn't replace all of them)
plug coils
A/T mechantronic sleeve (need to drop the pan for this one)
probably will need to replace turbos or at least the waste gates, although there is an extended warranty.
valve lifter noise which may need procedure to bleed the air out of the lifters, new lifters or redesigned head.

BMWs are known for having reliability problems compared to other premium brands like Lexus. A lot of long time BMW owners, me included, think that BMW has overcomplicated their designs for branding purposes. Complexity increases defects. They didn't need to turbo charge the N54 to get 300 HP. Even GM can get 300 HP out of a naturally aspirated V-6. But BMW won't switch to a larger displacement V-6 because their inline 6 is part of their vaunted brand. BMW has been making turbo charged diesels for a long time, so they understand turbocharging. A lot of their problems like the oil filter housing gasket problem aren't complex engineering issues. They just lost control of their quality assurance.

The 335 engine is a great motor when it works. The AT is holding up except for the bad gasket in the mechantronic sleeve, which is another engineering failure on a minor problem.

So far I have 6 years, and only 35k miles on mine. I replaced the AT sleeve, and had a couple of recalls performed, but so far, none of the other issues listed above. If I keep the 335, I will do the decarbonizing, fuel pump and oil filter housing gasket all at once preventatively, rather than wait for a code or a failure, and try to save some money by avoiding duplicative procedures in the 3 repairs if they are done separately.
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