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Old 08-18-2013, 07:43 AM
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Ok so my new E93 will be my first rear wheel drive car since my 77 Z-28 Camaro !

Does anyone have experience with snow tires on this baby ? Will I even need them in New England with the All Seasons ? I leave the all seasons on my X3 and could drive thru anything but that things a beast in the weather.

Right now if anything, I'm thinking about a second wheel/tire set from say tire rack and picking up a hydraulic jack. Easy on - Easy Off ? I know the dealer will offer winter package but I'm guessing those will be jacked. LOL and I'm looking to keep it under 2k.

Whats a good brand of wheel ? I am willing to use a non-BMW. I'm thinking of Blizzaks or the Pirellis winters for tires.

Is there anything I should care about like jacking points or even getting a torque wrench. Theres no crazy washers, spacers or anything on a new stock E93 right when I take the wheels off ? Yes I've changed tons of wheels just not on a BMW. Anyways I don't even have the car back from ED yet but have woken up to a couple of 50 degree mornings already.

Yes I know I could search and google but I've done that until my fingers bleed and still can't decide.

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Will I even need them in New England with the All Seasons?

Pay no attention to 3ismagic# - you can see he's resides at a Holiday Inn in Cambodia.

The good news is: Someone has posted a thread on exactly your concern! Look HERE. Wasn't that handy? You can get similar result by clicking on Search - for anything you want to know!

Tire Rack's take....
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LOL^, CAL your link doesn't provide any search results for me, btw. Sigh, the annual winter tire threads have officially started this year, damn I already miss summer.

edit: OP if you are doing one wheel at a time, you can use the lift points next to each wheel. Burger makes a jack pad adapter that fits right in, so you don't have to worry about damaging the lift points. If two wheels at a time, each end has a central lift point, then you could use jack stands; there I still use stands with the rectangular blocks, but by far most people here do not. That's all I can offer atm.

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LOL^, CAL your link doesn't provide any search results for me, btw.

An outrage!


Kat, I ran a search and linked the page....but nuthin' doin'! NSA block? Political agenda? Am I targeted for extinction?

HERE....page link to forum search: "Winter tire recommendation"


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Kat, I ran a search and linked the page....but nuthin' doin'! NSA block? Political agenda? Am I targeted for extinction?

HERE....page link to forum search: "Winter tire recommendation"


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That's strange. I just typed "snow tire recommendation" in the onsite search bar and it returned this
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You folks that have been here for a while must know the cycle of life with the noobs by now !! LOL... I'm down with the Blizzaks ,.. looking for wheels. Can't believe I'll be closing up the pool in 3 weeks !
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OK, location = NH.

Plan to drive if it's snowing? If yes, snow tires. I run Blizzaks on Rial Salerno wheels.

Plan on waiting until it stops snowing and the roads are cleared? If yes, all seasons. I run Continental DWS tires when the Blizzaks aren't on. Acceptable in surprise snow. Miserable in freezing rain.
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I'll be getting a set of Hakkapalitta R2s when they come in stock here. Heard good things.
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OK, location = NH.

Plan to drive if it's snowing? If yes, snow tires. I run Blizzaks on Rial Salerno wheels.

Plan on waiting until it stops snowing and the roads are cleared? If yes, all seasons. I run Continental DWS tires when the Blizzaks aren't on. Acceptable in surprise snow. Miserable in freezing rain.
Thanks Zooks... Drive in snow=yes... many have recommended Blizzaks so thats where I am going as I am out before the plows. I don;t thing anything is good in freezing rain. I'll check out the Rial Salerno wheels too.
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That's strange. I just typed "snow tire recommendation" in the onsite search bar and it returned this

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pmacd55, I realized there is more you asked that is not yet answered, yes you want a torque wrench, 88.5 ft/lb (120 nm) is the spec. I even recently read someone saying he torques to a certain lower spec, and then retorques them all to the proper spec, dunno how overkill that is. If I bought a wrench all over again, I would investigate the advantages of the electronic ones over my clicking beam wrench if that's what it's called. My larger torque wrench has so far been handy for my diff plug, but I think that's it outside of the wheels... cheers...
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pmacd55, I realized there is more you asked that is not yet answered, yes you want a torque wrench, 88.5 ft/lb (120 nm) is the spec. I even recently read someone saying he torques to a certain lower spec, and then retorques them all to the proper spec, dunno how overkill that is. If I bought a wrench all over again, I would investigate the advantages of the electronic ones over my clicking beam wrench if that's what it's called. My larger torque wrench has so far been handy for my diff plug, but I think that's it outside of the wheels... cheers...
Man, I'm so lame. All you guys with torque wrenches. For the last 35 year's I've just been using the lug wrench to tighten my lug nuts/bolts to an unmeasured firm snugness. Haven't lost a lug nut/bolt or wheel in all that time.
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Man, I'm so lame. All you guys with torque wrenches. For the last 35 year's I've just been using the lug wrench to tighten my lug nuts/bolts to an unmeasured firm snugness. Haven't lost a lug nut/bolt or wheel in all that time.
You're not lame, you're experienced. If I had more experience I could better understand many things, like how to do oil filter changes by using that "finger tight plus a quarter turn" method. But, I feel much safer after buying what is probably a totally unnecessary wrench adapter for doing the oil filter. All these torque specs that BMW has for all the plugs and bolts, it makes a newbie like me feel oh so much more secure!
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I am also from the hand tight back off a quarter turn school but don't mind spending for a proper torque. Kind of off topic but on my ED, I fell in love with this car. I originally thought it would be entry to an 335is or an M3 in a couple of years but like a date with a plain looking girl who turns out to be the best thing ever, there is so much more behind it and I only want the best.
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I am also from the hand tight back off a quarter turn school but don't mind spending for a proper torque. Kind of off topic but on my ED, I fell in love with this car. I originally thought it would be entry to an 335is or an M3 in a couple of years but like a date with a plain looking girl who turns out to be the best thing ever, there is so much more behind it and I only want the best.
And THAT is what I was afraid of. Instead of spending 2,000 on wheels+tires, buy yourself a rusted-through winter beater with 200,000 miles on it.

I don't know how your X-drive E90 fared in the salted slush, but my E92 has rust on wheel bolts even, let alone calipers and rotor hub. Needless to say, it looks like sh*it. It looks so bad that I'm contemplating 4 corners brake job when rears are due to replace - probably next spring. Mind, this is southern Ohio we are talking about - Kentucky, basically. That car saw maybe 4 days of snow and another 6-7 of slush in 3 years.

BMWs don't melt in snow, but they LOVE to rust in unsuspected places. If that doesn't bother you, proceed as planned. Otherwise, you could still get them painted (calipers, rotor hubs) and get set of truly galvanized bolts (20 of them) for your wheels.
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Oh man, never thought about the rust. I don't think I can drive a beater though... had too many over the years. I'm pretty religous about washing so thanks for the heads up, I'll have to double up in the winter months, lucky there is a great wash down the street !
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The first thing is forget the Rials and get BMW steel wheels, the pot holes and frost heaves will bend them very quickly. Next when you change the wheels wire brush everything and put anti-seize on, you'll be so happy you did in the spring. Snow tires are religious. I've used Conti's, Dunlops and may try the Hakkapalitta's if they are H rated. I would recommend whatever you get go -1 on the size of the tires
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The first thing is forget the Rials and get BMW steel wheels, the pot holes and frost heaves will bend them very quickly. Next when you change the wheels wire brush everything and put anti-seize on, you'll be so happy you did in the spring. Snow tires are religious. I've used Conti's, Dunlops and may try the Hakkapalitta's if they are H rated. I would recommend whatever you get go -1 on the size of the tires
My E46 had the 16" BMW steelies years ago from Tire Rack, but I thought they had been discontinued and Tire Rack no longer lists them in either 16" or 17". If they can still be had they are the most cost effective way to go.

And I had very good results with the Dunlop Winter Sports which are now available in a RFT if you wish to go that route.

http://www.tirerack.com/snow/WinterP...lar=Base+Model

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Check Bavarian, they have 17" steels for my E46. There maybe other suppliers who have other sizes.
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You can usually find used BMW factory wheels on Craigslist or Ebay. Stick with good wheels. Snows can be had lots of places - Tirerack has good tire reviews.
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The first thing is forget the Rials and get BMW steel wheels, the pot holes and frost heaves will bend them very quickly. Next when you change the wheels wire brush everything and put anti-seize on, you'll be so happy you did in the spring. Snow tires are religious. I've used Conti's, Dunlops and may try the Hakkapalitta's if they are H rated. I would recommend whatever you get go -1 on the size of the tires
YES!! Rials suck. I bent 3!! Never again. Get BMW used wheels, or looks like Beyren are good strong wheels. You get what you pay for with the Rials.


I say in NH winter tires on any car you drive..... X3 or RWD. I'll leave it at that.

I have driven my car through 3 Vermont winters. Can't say I remember seeing any rust anywhere. Certainly none on lug bolts or brakes. Car is awesome in snow!!
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For my wife's e93 we have a set of Blizzak LM-25's on 17" Sport Edition A7's. They came from tirerack as a complete setup w/ tpms. Big thanks to the previous owner for these!
They look OK on car. (Sorry, no winter picture)Since its winter, don't mind too much on the looks and I pay more attention to keeping the car clean and not the wheels.

On a side note, last season my wife picked up a nail in one of them. Since they are OEM size tires, they are covered by the tire/wheel warranty. Once again, thanks previous owner!
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