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7 Series - E65 / E66 (2002 - 2008)
Discussion of BMW's 4th generation E65/E66 7 Series flagship. The E65 generated much controversy, due to its radical styling and iDrive user difficulties. Nonetheless, the E65 broke records to become the best-selling 7-series iteration ever, especially after its 2005 facelift.

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Thankyou that's all Im trying to get across is our cars run hot and obviously it's not good, if anyone has a better idea to run our cars cooler by all means be my guest, some will say shim the thermostat but this will throw errors because pressure is distributed unequally. Running a car at 105C is not good and will be very heavy on your pockets in the long run, TRUST ME especially if you live in a really hot state I promise it's only a matter of time until things go wrong, my luck so far is I live in Wisconsin which is cold as hell so at 75k Miles on the dash I have no problems. The 90C thermostat pretty much looks factory but like I said I wasn't too trusting of the housing and company's reputation hence my decision to only use the innards and it worked. The connector for the sensor wire also didn't feel as secure as I would have liked it to.

I'm usually running at 92-93C now and no errors, which is a good 10 degrees cooler than where I was before with factory thermostat. If you wanna give it a shot by all means do so then also share your experience. I'm just here trying to give back as I've learned alot from these forums and bimmerfest has saved me a good amount of money.
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Thanks! My plan was to buy the new one and compare the 2 and figure out what the differences are. If it's as simple as removing wax like it's been on other t-stats I much rather do that and save 120 dollars, or I'll contact the hotrod shop down the street from me and see if they have any easier/better suggestions on a thermostat that could work that doesn't have bad reviews, etc to keep people calm. Plus I was going to look into drilling a 3/16" hole in T-Stat to help allow coolant to bleed through so when the t-stat is closed it allows the car to run cooler too.

Plus I've been working on my other cars in the past few days and realized that all of them run at 180F which is 80C (hondas/acura). I wonder if 80 or 85 would work well enough too! Right now my concern is the low temp light that was posted about earlier! I PM'ed Dolstat so lets see what he says!
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What I did and the vette guys do is extend the stem that contacts the wax motor.Its stainless so I used a mig welder and welded a small amount on the tip of the stem.Then used a file and sanded to make it smooth.I work in a car factory with tool and die guys next to me.We all thought what I did would work fine,and it did.The vette guys drop a shim in the hole to give the same effect.Paper my engine wasnt running factory hot I want to go well below spec.
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It only says one has been sold. So which one of you bought it? I may buy one and do this mod (using the hybrid of new and old parts) just to see for myself.

As for the two thermostats question...I thought I had read somewhere that there are two thermostats...the normal engine one and maybe one that goes to the transmission as well, im not sure.
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It only says one has been sold. So which one of you bought it? I may buy one and do this mod (using the hybrid of new and old parts) just to see for myself.

As for the two thermostats question...I thought I had read somewhere that there are two thermostats...the normal engine one and maybe one that goes to the transmission as well, im not sure.
No, engine and transmission share the same cooling system so only one thermostat near radiator, that's why everything goes to **** in this car when you run hot 24/7 and yes even the considered normal of 103C with OEM Tstat is hot.

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That is not true fellas. There IS a tstat for the tranny and it is rated to open cooler... BUT when the whole system is hot as **** you can see where that goes to pieces..
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And the tstat (7) connected to the wp of course
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Coolant comes out of the engine block, through the lower hose, radiator then out of this heat exchanger to the transmission tstat; this is supposed to allow for warming up the transmission when it is cold, and keeping it cool when it becomes warm. Major flaw when you're not driving at speed when your car is designed to run at 105 degrees at idle. Go emissions!
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745IGuy, Thanks for proving I'm not crazy. So if you really want things to run cooler you need to change out all of the thermostats don't you?
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Well, no the 90c at the wp will be just fine and the tranny stat is different than the wp one.


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It only says one has been sold. So which one of you bought it?
I bought one on the 20th. So far no notification that it was shipped. I emailed the seller lets see what he says..also estimated delivery is Between Aug 24-27 I don't know if that's still accurate.



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This is, by it's VERY definition, the most interesting and intriguing subject currently in discussion on this entire forum!

I know first hand after having owned 2 e65s and this F01, just how foking BLAZING hot these cars run! It literally is a "ticking time bomb!" If there was a "solid and viable option" made, I would be first in line to purchase. I am not too keen on "rigging" it though. i.e. using stock parts with other parts. However, knowing just how prolific of an issue HEAT is to ANY car, I am willing to concede and try this out.

Can this be fitted to my engine?

I will follow this thread and feedback closely. Thanks OP for the info. And keep me updated....
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This is, by it's VERY definition, the most interesting and intriguing subject currently in discussion on this entire forum!

I know first hand after having owned 2 e65s and this F01, just how foking BLAZING hot these cars run! It literally is a "ticking time bomb!" If there was a "solid and viable option" made, I would be first in line to purchase. I am not too keen on "rigging" it though. i.e. using stock parts with other parts. However, knowing just how prolific of an issue HEAT is to ANY car, I am willing to concede and try this out.

Can this be fitted to my engine?

I will follow this thread and feedback closely. Thanks OP for the info. And keep me updated....
Yes TXSTYLE this thermostat will also work on F01,I know you guys have your fair share of issues too from running hot all the time, even more so seeing as you live in Texas. I'm approaching one week with my hybrid thermostat installed and I've had no issues, still 92-93C When driving around, also checked my engine bay for leaks today and there are none.

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Here in these 100+ degree temps in TX that extend for 5-7 weeks at a time. just compound the issue! So I am definitely all ears. And YES... These twin turbos only make sh1t hotter.
I see me trying one of these sooner than later...
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Here in these 100+ degree temps in TX that extend for 5-7 weeks at a time. just compound the issue! So I am definitely all ears. And YES... These twin turbos only make sh1t hotter.
I see me trying one of these sooner than later...
You'll notice the dramatic increase in performance too from running cooler, I barely tap the gas now and the car flies, my woman drove it and said DAMN lmao if anyone is interested I'll add info on how I did the complete install to my first post.
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You'll notice the dramatic increase in performance too from running cooler, I barely tap the gas now and the car flies, my woman drove it and said DAMN lmao if anyone is interested I'll add info on how I did the complete install to my first post.
Please add information on how to install this. I'm considering a modified thermostat since the N62 runs very hot!


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You'll notice the dramatic increase in performance too from running cooler, I barely tap the gas now and the car flies, my woman drove it and said DAMN lmao if anyone is interested I'll add info on how I did the complete install to my first post.
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This is the small of it,but instead of shimming I extended the stem or shaft that heated.N62 tstat is very easy to take apart.http://teamzr1.com/modstat.html is easy mechanics guys.N62 is made a little different as the stem is mounted on the body and not in the element as the LS1 is.

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I will say you will be safe using the eBay version.Probably only bad outcome is it will stick open or closed.If it comes apart water pump might receive some damage.Really not much to a car thermostat.If you over heat pull over?Sticks open heat won't work and you will get a warning.
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I will say you will be safe using the eBay version.Probably only bad outcome is it will stick open or closed.If it comes apart water pump might receive some damage.Really not much to a car thermostat.If you over heat pull over?Sticks open heat won't work and you will get a warning.
Yeah man so there's really no chance of major damage because of the mod.
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Ok...mine is ordered too. Should be in before the end of the month. In the meantime I intend to start trending my coolant temps. What is a good program to use to do real-time monitoring of the system...DIS? If so, where do I get a copy? Then once I get the new one installed I will again trend the coolant temperatures and verify the delta. I may also do a pre and post dyno run to see what HP changes are experienced. I am also changing out the seals on the VANOS solinoids tomorrow morning...I don't notice any issues but I guess it couldn't hurt right?
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Ok...mine is ordered too. Should be in before the end of the month. In the meantime I intend to start trending my coolant temps. What is a good program to use to do real-time monitoring of the system...DIS? If so, where do I get a copy? Then once I get the new one installed I will again trend the coolant temperatures and verify the delta. I may also do a pre and post dyno run to see what HP changes are experienced. I am also changing out the seals on the VANOS solinoids tomorrow morning...I don't notice any issues but I guess it couldn't hurt right?
The car has it's own on board sensor monitoring software, to access do this

1) Put the key in the ignition.
2) Press and hold the trip reset button. *ABS light comes on then goes out, keep holding the button in.
3) When the hidden service menu appears in the instrument binnacle, press trip button several times until option 19 'unlocking' is selected, then press and hold.
4) Tap until the number that is the cumulative number of the last 5 digits of the vehicle VIN added together (in my case 10) is shown, then press and hold to unlock menu.
5) Select desired option by pressing trip button, then access item by holding button in.
6) 'System Test' shows all dashboard symbols and graphics (quite cool!)
7)*To exit service menu, press and hold trip button from main menu.

in this case select the sensors option then you'll see your operating temp while driving.

I also updated my 1st post to tell how I installed mine
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The car has it's own on board sensor monitoring software, to access do this

1) Put the key in the ignition.
2) Press and hold the trip reset button. *ABS light comes on then goes out, keep holding the button in.
3) When the hidden service menu appears in the instrument binnacle, press trip button several times until option 19 'unlocking' is selected, then press and hold.
4) Tap until the number that is the cumulative number of the last 5 digits of the vehicle VIN added together (in my case 10) is shown, then press and hold to unlock menu.
5) Select desired option by pressing trip button, then access item by holding button in.
6) 'System Test' shows all dashboard symbols and graphics (quite cool!)
7)*To exit service menu, press and hold trip button from main menu.

in this case select the sensors option then you'll see your operating temp while driving.

I also updated my 1st post to tell how I installed mine
Thanks for updating your post. I am aware of that method to monitor...I am looking into some more "robust" analysis. I have INPA, EIDABAS, etc. and am trying to learn to use it but I don't want to fark anything up. Any links to some good INPA tutorials? If not, i'll just be combing through the posts at bmwcoding i guess.
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