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Old 08-31-2013, 06:52 AM
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Question Special Machine to remove Run Flats?

I'm getting ready to get my run flats removed and replacing them with non run flats. Is there a special machine needed to have them safely removed and to insure there is no damage to the rims?

Below is a quote from another post which is why I'm asking. Thanks!

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There are tire machines made to remove run flat tires along with conventional go flats. My friend owns a tire shop and he purchased the machine. The older machines will destroy your rims if they try to get the tire off with it.

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Any reputable tire shop can do this, whether run flats or not. They all have the proper equipment to change tires without rim damage.......you hope! even with the proper equipment, human error comes up unfortunately from time to time!
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:22 AM
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Any reputable tire shop can do this, whether run flats or not. They all have the proper equipment to change tires without rim damage.......you hope! even with the proper equipment, human error comes up unfortunately from time to time!
Yup! Had my 19" scratched at BMW service once, got really pissed as I assumed being the dealership it was the safest place to have them done. Nope!! They did repair after I made a fuss but lesson learned, anybody can screw up a rim if they are not paying attention. It's up to you to inspect before leaving and facility.
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:22 AM
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Having the proper equipment and experience to mount/dismount RFTs was a problem with some shops 10 years ago when BMW first started equipping some models with RFTS, but should not be an issue now.

The safest course may be to simply ask the shop if they have handled BMW RFTs before having the work done.

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Old 08-31-2013, 10:06 AM
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Take pictures of your Rims before new tires.

Take pictures of your Rims before new tires.
I had a bad install on an E46 and it didn't involve runflats at all.
They had a new low profile tire machine and the dude didn't know
how to run it . This can happen anywhere.
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Old 08-31-2013, 10:43 AM
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It does take a machine built to change run flats - most good shops have them, the corner garage may not at they run about 20k, but the guy running it can still mess up a wheel. One of the bigger shops near me has the right machine and still scratched the **** out of my rim last time and just gave it back like they did nothing wrong. The dealer has not scratched any wheels when I have gone there, but they did mess one up once, but when I got there to pick them up, it had been replaced with a new one, so at least they own up to their actions, but charge a lot more also.

Either way, take good pictures talk to the place you get them done about scratching them and if they will be fixing it if they scratch it before you let them start work.
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It does take a machine built to change run flats - most good shops have them, the corner garage may not at they run about 20k, but the guy running it can still mess up a wheel. One of the bigger shops near me has the right machine and still scratched the **** out of my rim last time and just gave it back like they did nothing wrong. The dealer has not scratched any wheels when I have gone there, but they did mess one up once, but when I got there to pick them up, it had been replaced with a new one, so at least they own up to their actions, but charge a lot more also.

Either way, take good pictures talk to the place you get them done about scratching them and if they will be fixing it if they scratch it before you let them start work.


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Exclamation Is it just me or is replacing run flats full of potential issues?

Just went to a tire shop and they said the run flats could be ruined when removed!! Anyone ever heard that one???? Here's some others I read about this week!

- Replacing run flats will void warranty - My dealer said not true. Do I need it in writing?
- Suspension is setup for run flats - dealer said no
- Special machine required to remove - At least a newer one
- Goo vs spare - goo no good; spare needs tools and tie downs
- Wheel may not be able to handle non run flats - older cars
- Scratched rims - hope the tire changer's in a good mood
- Run flat tire may be ruined when bead is broken -?
- Hope there's no more!

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Special Machine to remove Run Flats?

I replaced the Run Flats when my 335i was few weeks old and and two years later replaced the OEM shocks with Koni FSDs.

My car is serviced by BMW Manhattan, which is owned by BMW North America.
They are aware of the mods and warranty service has never been an issue.

I find the way the car drives now, both in terms of handling and ride quality, to be far superior to the way it came from the factory with the horrible RFTs and the poorly sorted out stock suspension.

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I replaced the Run Flats when my 335i was few weeks old and and two years later replaced the OEM shocks with Koni FSDs.

My car is serviced by BMW Manhattan, which is owned by BMW North America.
They are aware of the mods and warranty service has never been an issue.

I find the way the car drives now, both in terms of handling and ride quality, to be far superior to the way it came from the factory with the horrible RFTs and the poorly sorted out stock suspension.

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Thanks CA! Glad to hear it all worked out. I may have to see about getting it done at my dealer or at least a shop with experience with run flats!
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Just went to a tire shop and they said the run flats could be ruined when removed!! Anyone ever heard that one???? Here's some others I read about this week!

- Replacing run flats will void warranty - My dealer said not true. Do I need it in writing?
- Suspension is setup for run flats - dealer said no
- Special machine required to remove - At least a newer one
- Goo vs spare - goo no good; spare needs tools and tie downs
- Wheel may not be able to handle non run flats - older cars
- Scratched rims - hope the tire changer's in a good mood
- Hope there's no more!
Good grief...where do we start?

Yes, I've seen RF tire beads damaged (torn) upon (both) mounting and dismounting due to:
a) outdated equipment
b) inexperienced tech.

In this case, the shop is responsible for the damage - tire replacement!

1. What warranty? BMW doesn't warrant the tires...the individual tire manufacturer does. Read your warranty booklet.
2. Suspension? Those who have fitted non-RFs report an improved ride.
3. Mounting machine? Modern mounting machines designed for RF tires with trained techs are highly recommended.
4. Goo? Not one TPMS manufacturer recommends the use of goo sealant.
5. Wheels? Only certain wheels designated as "EH-2, or EH-2 plus (extended hump)" should be used with RF tires. RF tires should not be fitted to non EH-2 wheels.
6. Scratched wheels? Older mounting equipment with inexperienced techs = possible wheel damage. Bridgestone/Firestone company stores seem to have the latest equipment and experience in dealing with RFs IMO.
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Good grief...where do we start?

Yes, I've seen RF tire beads damaged (torn) upon (both) mounting and dismounting due to:
a) outdated equipment
b) inexperienced tech.

In this case, the shop is responsible for the damage - tire replacement!

1. What warranty? BMW doesn't warrant the tires...the individual tire manufacturer does. Read your warranty booklet.
2. Suspension? Those who have fitted non-RFs report an improved ride.
3. Mounting machine? Modern mounting machines designed for RF tires with trained techs are highly recommended.
4. Goo? Not one TPMS manufacturer recommends the use of goo sealant.
5. Wheels? Only certain wheels designated as "EH-2, or EH-2 plus (extended hump)" should be used with RF tires. RF tires should not be fitted to non EH-2 wheels.
6. Scratched wheels? Older mounting equipment with inexperienced techs = possible wheel damage. Bridgestone/Firestone company stores seem to have the latest equipment and experience in dealing with RFs IMO.
Thanks for your input. These are just things I read both here and on other forums and I'm trying to see what is true/false! The warranty I was referring to was not for the tire but the car itself!
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CALWATERBOY thanks for that post with the vid. Only a few days ago I tried to remove one of the Bridgestone RFT's on my 2012 328i and realized my 20 year old Corghi rim clamp was not the right tool for the job! Sure, I've mounted/dismounted Hoosier 12" slicks and lots of low profile street tires...even pulled the Firestone RFT's from my Z06...but it was not going to work on the Bridgestone's. After watching the Coats video....I see why....LOL

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Dang. Watching that video, I wouldn't be surprised if a tire shop charged a lot more to work with those rims on that machine. I could change three tires on a conventional rim in the time it takes to do that one - given the multiple, multiple operations. Time is $.
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Dang. Watching that video, I wouldn't be surprised if a tire shop charged a lot more to work with those rims on that machine. I could change three tires on a conventional rim in the time it takes to do that one - given the multiple, multiple operations. Time is $.
While that Coats is absolutely the right way to change out RFT's, there are lesser machines that can do a fine job PROVIDED the operator knows what he's doing.

Even with my old dinosaur of a rim clamp machine, I can do standard tires without issue, very wide R comp's require the aid of another pair of hands to help do what that Coats does automatically, however even with another pair of hands I could not compress the Bridgestone RFT sidewalls enough to drop the beads into the mounting groove on my V spoke 152's. This is probably the first tire I cannot do on this machine.
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... however even with another pair of hands I could not compress the Bridgestone RFT sidewalls enough to drop the beads into the mounting groove on my V spoke 152's. This is probably the first tire I cannot do on this machine.
AH! Thanks. There's the key. I didn't consider how stiff the sidewalls on the run-flats must be. Thanks for the detail. Perfectly understandable.
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my favorite tire shop uses hunter equipment... i've seen the coats gear in action too.


fascinating how the new changes work. here's a hunter auto 34
http://www.hunter.com/videos/index2.cfm?v=67&cat=7
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my favorite tire shop uses hunter equipment... i've seen the coats gear in action too.


fascinating how the new changes work. here's a hunter auto 34
http://www.hunter.com/videos/index2.cfm?v=67&cat=7
That is the ****! Leverless is the key. No more manually prying tire beads. Wow.
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Modern mounting/dismounting equipment makes it more difficult for the installer to damage wheels. There are many claims that mounting machines are "touchless," but that's not entirely true.

There's always the "operator/tech" (human) factor. Things can always go wrong...your wheels can still get damaged, and unfortunately they often do except in the most conscientious shops.

Hunter is certainly a leading edge equipment manufacturer as is Corghi (Italy), but you can find obsolete equipment in many small garages. Sometimes skilled operators can overcome the age of the equipment, but not always.

Prior to my recent retirement I had the privilege of a personal relationship with Hunter's product development manager (he's since left the company) and frequent communications with Corghi. I had Hunter equipment in my technical center (GSP 9700 "road force" machines and their best mounting machines).

I can understand how even the "best" ...most expensive mounting machine can damage wheels if not used properly (my Gen 'Y' engineers certainly managed to do it. ).

ALWAYS take note of the condition of your wheels: dings, dents, gouges, scratches...with the service center people prior to tire/wheel service, with the (tire) dealership.

Make notes and compare AFTERWARDS as you pick up your car.
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ALWAYS take note of the condition of your wheels: dings, dents, gouges, scratches...with the service center people prior to tire/wheel service, with the (tire) dealership.

Make notes and compare AFTERWARDS as you pick up your car.
Digital cameras in cell phones are a very convenient way to take pictures of each wheel's condition before the car is serviced...just in case.
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Modern mounting/dismounting equipment makes it more difficult for the installer to damage wheels. There are many claims that mounting machines are "touchless," but that's not entirely true.

There's always the "operator/tech" (human) factor. Things can always go wrong...your wheels can still get damaged, and unfortunately they often do except in the most conscientious shops.

Hunter is certainly a leading edge equipment manufacturer as is Corghi (Italy), but you can find obsolete equipment in many small garages. Sometimes skilled operators can overcome the age of the equipment, but not always.

Prior to my recent retirement I had the privilege of a personal relationship with Hunter's product development manager (he's since left the company) and frequent communications with Corghi. I had Hunter equipment in my technical center (GSP 9700 "road force" machines and their best mounting machines).

I can understand how even the "best" ...most expensive mounting machine can damage wheels if not used properly (my Gen 'Y' engineers certainly managed to do it. ).

ALWAYS take note of the condition of your wheels: dings, dents, gouges, scratches...with the service center people prior to tire/wheel service, with the (tire) dealership.

Make notes and compare AFTERWARDS as you pick up your car.
Actually, not true at all. Something has to hold the wheel on the table, whether using inside or outside clamps, or whether nylon sleeves are used or not. Also, when prying the bead over the duckhead the pry bar will very often push the 'beak' into the wheel edge even if the distance is set up right.
But I know you know all that.
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Actually, not true at all. Something has to hold the wheel on the table, whether using inside or outside clamps, or whether nylon sleeves are used or not. Also, when prying the bead over the duckhead the pry bar will very often push the 'beak' into the wheel edge even if the distance is set up right.
But I know you know all that.
I'm holding back. The table clamps can leave "itty bitty" marks on the inside of the wheel if nylon sleeves aren't used. This wouldn't bother most people as you'll never see them, but then again there's...
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I agree but I had a local well known shop mount my then new tires on the AG m359 rims I bought. According to him, it was flawless except for one small, small dent, which came from the factory. The paint was perfect so that I was my assumption. Needless to say I had these black lines develop on the outer edge of the rims from the person, who mounted the wheels. Really disappointed. I didn't inspect them before I left. Yes my mistake. Noticed it that same night.
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