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Old 09-06-2013, 10:50 AM
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I recently purchased a 2008 335xi and the previous owner said he got it serviced a month ago and showed me the bill (No details of what was done, though).
After a week of driving or so, I noticed that the date was incorrect in the car. Once I changed it to the correct date, I got a message saying that oil change is due 9/2013.
Should I get an oil change? It still says 6500 (or so) miles left before oil change.

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Old 09-06-2013, 11:02 AM
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I changed the oil immediately after purchasing my car for my own peace of mind.


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Old 09-06-2013, 11:03 AM
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And I will change it every 5 thousand miles rather than the recommended period.


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Old 09-06-2013, 11:18 AM
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They probably just did not reset the service interval. If the statement he gave you showed a particular mileage and date, I would not worry about it and use whatever mileage or time interval you would normally use, regardless of what the car indicates.

I simply follow 7,500 mile intervals and don't worry about what the car shows, though the service light gets reset every time now that I am outside of the maintenance plan.
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:35 AM
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They probably just did not reset the service interval. If the statement he gave you showed a particular mileage and date, I would not worry about it and use whatever mileage or time interval you would normally use, regardless of what the car indicates.

I simply follow 7,500 mile intervals and don't worry about what the car shows, though the service light gets reset every time now that I am outside of the maintenance plan.
Thanks. Is there a way to get rid of the message, it bongs at me every time I start the car lol.
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:37 AM
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That's nice, and also irrelevant to this discussion. Don't forget to get a monthly tuneup, gotta maintain those carburetors.

I never understand you people who do counter-productive things, then post about it every chance you get, like you're proud of it. If you look at an oil analysis, you'll see that the oil actually reaches optimum performance PAST the mileage that you're changing it at. But hey, at least you're contributing to the economy by buying oil all the time. Great job
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:59 AM
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If it makes you feel better, go ahead and do this. It's a waste of time and money to change synthetic oil that often. This is not 1990 and not Dinosaur oil.
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I only drive 5k miles per year so not an economic drain. Sorry about posting counterproductive stuff. You're right about that.


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Thanks. Is there a way to get rid of the message, it bongs at me every time I start the car lol.
Several tools are on the market that allow OBDC connections to the car with the ability to reset the service counters. They might be more expensive though than what you're looking for.

You could also kindly ask the dealer to reset that light for you, or another independent shop that works on BMWs. It doesn't take long, you just need access via the OBDC port with an appropriate device.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:29 PM
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Thanks. Is there a way to get rid of the message, it bongs at me every time I start the car lol.
Resetting the routine maintenance lights and alarms is easy, needs no tools, and can be done in under 2 minutes in your driveway. You can see the procedure here:



The buttons spoken of in the video are the B/C buttons on your turn signal. You use the switch on the face of the turn signal to flip through the menu items, and the button on the end of the turn signal to select and reset an item within the menus.

The symbol he doesn't understand in the video is the "service reminder", which most people set for the month their inspection stickers go out of date. The "car on lift" service indicator spoken of in the video is typically the 30,000 mile check.
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:24 PM
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Thank you so much! I will check the records one more time to make sure he actually changed the oil and reset it after.
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Same here. Oil apparently changed by BMW dealership under 100 miles before I bought the car but the old oil came out pretty black (only 10.3k miles on the car).

MobilOne costs under $40 for 7 quarts at WalMart, Mann filter is under $10 shipped. It's no economic drain to do once per year regardless of mileage. We've done under 5K miles since buying it last autumn and I just bought the oil/filter to change again sometime soon.
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Old 09-07-2013, 05:27 PM
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Oil is Black by 3 to 5k miles .

Oil is Black by 3 to 5k miles .
It has been in every car I have owned synthetic oil included.
Its called contamination by combustion build up .
Which is why I feel very uneasy with 10k plus oil changes.
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Oil is Black by 3 to 5k miles .
It has been in every car I have owned synthetic oil included.
Its called contamination by combustion build up .
Which is why I feel very uneasy with 10k plus oil changes.
Modern synthetics can go black immediately as their detergents grab and suspend carbon deposits. My MX-5 is still under warranty, barely gets used but needs six month change to stay in warranty. In the mid hundreds of miles between changes (winter use) it's very clean. For ~1,500 miles changes (summer use) it's blackening but still a bit golden.

It was low hundreds for my E93 + only had only 10.3K miles when bought with the oil allegedly changed literally as it was processed. To me it was clearly not changed by the BMW dealership who prepped it before sending to auction. BMW computerized records show it was changed but I don't believe it. Lesson: change immediately after buying a used car.

10K feels right to me but many E46s are over 200K miles now. Most get the computer based change which is ~15-19K miles. I've read about very few E46 engines with failures due to internal wear. Actually I cannot recall any (other than E46 M3 engines which I believe all failed, lol). Mostly regular E46 motors I read about that died was due to sludge resulting from zero oil changes ever Every so often I go back to the E46 forums and verify this. If anyone knows differently please correct.
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Oil is Black by 3 to 5k miles .
It has been in every car I have owned synthetic oil included.
Its called contamination by combustion build up .
Which is why I feel very uneasy with 10k plus oil changes.
I sold my E46 with over 200k miles on it. Its entire life, it has had 15k mile oil changes. This is the engine when the valve cover gasket was being replaced at 200k:

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I sold my E46 with over 200k miles on it. Its entire life, it has had 15k mile oil changes. This is the engine when the valve cover gasket was being replaced at 200k:
Yup, so we are wasting money changing at 10K or less. Some automakers in Europe say to go over 20K or more between oil changes. Peugeot is 20K/ two years for most of their petrol engines: http://www.servicing.peugeot.co.uk/p...ice-intervals/

Honestly I feel odd not doing much to my cars. Oil change one a year in the Prius + Hondas before it are about all they had other than new cabin filters and wiper blade inserts. It just feels wrong. Am kinda glad I have a John Deere lawn tractor that thinks it's a Ferrari when it comes to services/ parts wearing out.
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That's nice, and also irrelevant to this discussion. Don't forget to get a monthly tuneup, gotta maintain those carburetors.

I never understand you people who do counter-productive things, then post about it every chance you get, like you're proud of it. If you look at an oil analysis, you'll see that the oil actually reaches optimum performance PAST the mileage that you're changing it at. But hey, at least you're contributing to the economy by buying oil all the time. Great job
I would really like to know where you got that information that it takes oil time to break in and start working at its optimum lubricating properties, I question what you know
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I would really like to know where you got that information that it takes oil time to break in and start working at its optimum lubricating properties, I question what you know
Excerpt: "As in the previous study, the results showed that the aged engine oils provide lower friction and much improved wear protection capability. These improvements were observed as early as the 3000 mile drain interval and continued to the 15000 mile drain interval"

Study: http://papers.sae.org/2007-01-4133/
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I recently purchased a 2008 335xi and the previous owner said he got it serviced a month ago and showed me the bill (No details of what was done, though).
After a week of driving or so, I noticed that the date was incorrect in the car. Once I changed it to the correct date, I got a message saying that oil change is due 9/2013.
Should I get an oil change? It still says 6500 (or so) miles left before oil change.

Yes

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Excerpt: "As in the previous study, the results showed that the aged engine oils provide lower friction and much improved wear protection capability. These improvements were observed as early as the 3000 mile drain interval and continued to the 15000 mile drain interval"

Study: http://papers.sae.org/2007-01-4133/
"These findings could be an enabler for achieving longer drain interval although several other factors must to be considered."

Two points on the quote from the end of the abstract:
  1. This is the quintessential "maybe / maybe not" tech paper weasel.
  2. Being a grammar Nazi usually gets you nowhere, but one needs to question the editorial capacity of a journal that leaves "must to be considered" in an abstract.
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Excerpt: "As in the previous study, the results showed that the aged engine oils provide lower friction and much improved wear protection capability. These improvements were observed as early as the 3000 mile drain interval and continued to the 15000 mile drain interval"

Study: http://papers.sae.org/2007-01-4133/
The material at the link is an abstract, not the entire paper. It would be interesting to read the entire paper, and especially to discover what the "...several other factors must to be considered (sic)..." are.

Among the factors I would anticipate being considered are:

- Accumulation of particulate matter and debris in the oil.
- Accumulation of condensation from start/stop cycles and their influence on the servicability of the oil.
- Variation in tendency of polymer chains to break down depending on the composition of the oil, severity of service and temperatures encountered.

The abstract does indeed sound promising, but I take it with a grain of salt. It doesn't make sense that oil would improve with use - it takes a beating from mechanical wear, temperature extremes and other factors. Many of these studies have to be interpreted based on a series of "if - then" factors, and without the "if" occurring, the results can be quite different.
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Hello Everyone!
I recently purchased a 2008 335xi and the previous owner said he got it serviced a month ago and showed me the bill (No details of what was done, though).
After a week of driving or so, I noticed that the date was incorrect in the car. Once I changed it to the correct date, I got a message saying that oil change is due 9/2013.
Should I get an oil change? It still says 6500 (or so) miles left before oil change.

Thanks!
I ran into this same situation. BMW wants you to have an oil change at least once per year, regardless of what the service based 'indication' says...or mileage. My service based indicator said that I didn't need an oil change for thousands of miles! Consequently my dealer called me in (bugged me) for an oil change at one year.

Not too many months later my 'service based' indicated time for yet nother oil change...which I received free of charge.

Go figure. I'm sure Munich is on top of this.
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I finally went in for the oil change about a month ago and I guess they actually did change the oil. It looked almost like new (slightly darker).
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I finally went in for the oil change about a month ago and I guess they actually did change the oil. It looked almost like new (slightly darker).
At least you know for sure now
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