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Old 09-13-2013, 07:10 AM
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Dealer left off oil filler cap. Damage??

Took my car in for a routine change & 24 month checkup @ 15K miles.
(They do every other oil change, I do the others myself. This is #4)
The "mechanic" who did the change, left off the filler cap.
How did I find out? When I took the car home, it sputtered and died in my driveway entrance.
I opened the hood and found the cap on the radiator shroud and plenty of oil splatter.
I replaced the cap, added about 1/4 quart of oil to come up to proper level and all seems to be well. The dealer told me it shut down due to lack of crank pressure.

Today the dealer is detailing the whole car, engine compartment and replacing the hood liner which had soaked up plenty of oil.

What are the possible repercussions of driving the 5 miles home with the cap off?
Any engine damage possible due to lack of crank pressure? Any other possible issues?
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Old 09-13-2013, 08:38 AM
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Dealer left off oil filler cap. Damage??

You should be fine. Have them drain and refill oil and change filter since you likely sucked in some dirt.

The crankcase pressure thing really won't affect the oiling capability of the engine.


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Old 09-13-2013, 08:47 AM
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You shouldn't be paying for the in-between oil changes. Under the four year maintenance agreement, BMW will pay for an oil change after 12 months regardless of the mileage or what your maintenance reminders say. They will not reset the maintenance reminder so you can get an oil change when the reminder says it is time. It doesn't say that anywhere, but it is the policy.
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:01 AM
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You shouldn't be paying for the in-between oil changes. Under the four year maintenance agreement, BMW will pay for an oil change after 12 months regardless of the mileage or what your maintenance reminders say. They will not reset the maintenance reminder so you can get an oil change when the reminder says it is time. It doesn't say that anywhere, but it is the policy.
He's done 4 oil changes in 15k miles and 24 months. BMW would only have paid for two, one at each anniversary, as the CBS is probably not even calling for a change yet

He would not have gotten any more for free. So if he wanted 4, the only way would be to pay.


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Old 09-13-2013, 09:11 AM
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He's done 4 oil changes in 15k miles and 24 months. BMW would only have paid for two, one at each anniversary, as the CBS is probably not even calling for a change yet

He would not have gotten any more for free. So if he wanted 4, the only way would be to pay.


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My dealer does it after 12 months if I request it. He says it is part of the plan, but not advertised. I did not buy the car at my servicing dealer so it is not a "courtesy" oil change. I have had four no cost oil changes in 2+ years and 24K miles.
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:13 AM
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Hey Radar Guy - Thanks, I don't pay for the scheduled ones.
The BMW recommended 12000 miles between oil changes is too long. So I do them myself. Easy change, super easy filter location, and I use Mobil 1.
I pay about $4.50/qt at Costco on sale + filter. It's really fast and inexpensive.
Given this experience, a whole lot easier than bringing it in.......
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:15 AM
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My dealer does it after 12 months if I request it. He says it is part of the plan, but not advertised. I did not buy the car at my servicing dealer so it is not a "courtesy" oil change. I have had four no cost oil changes in 2+ years and 24K miles.
So if there is a 12-month oil change, and then a CBS-based oil change 3 months after that with CBS reset, when does the 2nd 12-month period start, at 12th month or 15th month?
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:18 AM
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Hey Radar Guy - Thanks, I don't pay for the scheduled ones.
The BMW recommended 12000 miles between oil changes is too long. So I do them myself. Easy change, super easy filter location, and I use Mobil 1.
I pay about $4.50/qt at Costco on sale + filter. It's really fast and inexpensive.
Given this experience, a whole lot easier than bringing it in.......
Does your local Costco sell Mobil 1 0W40 European formula? Mine only carries Mobil 1 5W30 which is not on the recommended BMW oil list.
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:31 AM
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They sell 0W40.
European formula? That's funny. No.
Synthetic oils are all basically the same long "alkane" carbon molecule strings.
The only differences are the internal additives.
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:44 AM
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They sell 0W40.
European formula? That's funny. No.
Synthetic oils are all basically the same long "alkane" carbon molecule strings.
The only differences are the internal additives.
That's cool! The Mobil 1 0W40 sold around here does say European formula on the bottle with LL01-rating, I would think Costco's 0W40 would be the same.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:58 PM
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Old 09-13-2013, 01:12 PM
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Dealer left off oil filler cap. Damage??

If the Mobil 1 oil you are using is the the LL-01 spec, you are using the wrong oil.


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Old 09-13-2013, 02:03 PM
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If the Mobil 1 oil you are using is the the LL-01 spec, you are using the wrong oil.


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I think you meant to say ".... is NOT the LL-01 spec ....".
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:07 PM
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Dealer left off oil filler cap. Damage??

Correct. If it is NOT LL-01 you are using the wrong oil. Thanks for the correction.


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Old 09-13-2013, 03:46 PM
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That's 3000 miles per oil change, way way over kill for a syntheic oil.
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Old 09-13-2013, 04:19 PM
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Dealer left off oil filler cap. Damage??

I agree. 7500 with any LL-01 spec oil is sufficient, and of course an OEM filter or equivalent such as Mann.


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Old 09-13-2013, 09:00 PM
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Same thing happened to me a few months ago.

Went in for a top off and a few weeks later the low oil warning light went off. I thought damn this really does go thru oil fast

Went back up there and they showed me cap was not replaced. Idiot left the cap near the radiator

Never even noticed though, car ran fine and no oil leakage in garage. Engine bay was dirty that's about it...

I'm always gonna check under the hood from now on though.
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Old 09-14-2013, 09:20 AM
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My dealer does it after 12 months if I request it. He says it is part of the plan, but not advertised. I did not buy the car at my servicing dealer so it is not a "courtesy" oil change. I have had four no cost oil changes in 2+ years and 24K miles.
Did you mean to say 3 free oil changes? My local dealer changed my oil free-of-charge after 12-months at 9K and again after 18-months at 15K, the latter included a CBS reset.

In your case, I can envision a low-mileage annual oil change at 12-months, again at 15K before 24-months and again on your 24-month anniversary. Wouldn't the 4th free oil change come in at 30K or 36-months?

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Old 09-14-2013, 09:25 AM
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So if there is a 12-month oil change, and then a CBS-based oil change 3 months after that with CBS reset, when does the 2nd 12-month period start, at 12th month or 15th month?
I believe it would start on the 15th month. You would then qualify for another free oil change 12-months thereafter, or after an additional 15K miles, whichever comes first.
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Old 09-14-2013, 05:08 PM
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I believe it would start on the 15th month. You would then qualify for another free oil change 12-months thereafter, or after an additional 15K miles, whichever comes first.
Maybe that's why that revise to 10k/12-months for MY14, it is cheaper for BMWNA and less work for owners.
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Old 09-14-2013, 07:32 PM
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Did you mean to say 3 free oil changes? My local dealer changed my oil free-of-charge after 12-months at 9K and again after 18-months at 15K, the latter included a CBS reset.

In your case, I can envision a low-mileage annual oil change at 12-months, again at 15K before 24-months and again on your 24-month anniversary. Wouldn't the 4th free oil change come in at 30K or 36-months?
You are correct. I paid for the first one at 4K miles.
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Old 09-15-2013, 03:08 PM
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Picked up the car yesterday. Although the service adviser was very nice and apologetic, neither of his managers had the brass to call me. He's cool, his bosses are dumb and dumber.
They detailed the entire engine bay, replaced the hood liner & detailed the whole car - in and out.
I also asked for another oil filter, as I will change it myself next time, and at a short interval, in case of possible dirt ingestion while the cap was off.
Kind of a PITA, but I guess they made good on a foolish mistake by one of their techs.

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Glad they owned up to the mistake and fixed up your ride. That says a lot.

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Old 09-15-2013, 08:07 PM
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Yeah the low mileage changes get kind of confusing. I've yet to pay for an oil change. My first was at the 1 yr anniversary of delivery at the PDC, the next was when the CMS called for it (3 months later), third was the 1yr low mileage after the CMS call (Jul this year), my fourth change will be in 2100 mi (CMS call) - probably at years end or 6 months after last change. Total mileage at this point will be about 39K. Really strange how this all works out, but with today's engines, premium gas (top tier or better) and most importantly the quality of synthetic oil today as long as there is no abuse (i.e. frequent very short trips [<5mi]), no hard running before engine is completely up to temperature, or missing caps where dirt could get in, then I wouldn't worry about it. If anything should go wrong it's on them to take care of it, new engine, car or whatever. What with BMW policy of loaner for duration of servicing to your car, only inconvenience is the time it takes for signing the work order and swapping cars. Meh.
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Old 09-16-2013, 05:56 AM
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Unless one track their BMW, there is really no need to change a high quality sythetic oil every 3000 miles. I know its cheap insurance, but so is a colonoscopy, and I dont want to do that every month Sometimes over doing things can be like asking for trouble.
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