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Old 09-16-2013, 03:59 PM
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This is not another M5 vs. 550i thread.

I have 2011 535 now. I'm in the market for a new car in the next few months. I love F10 styling, but I'm not a big fan of the drive. 535 has enough power for me, but I missed old BMW handling, fun and steering feel.

I test drove 2011 550i before. This is even worse with 300 lbs on the front hanging.

I test drive 2013 M5 briefly. I liked the DCT. But, it didn't give me goose bumps like M3. The steering is little bit dead and gave a lot of wheel vibration. It might be flaw on that particular vehicle only.

I thought, the only way to get BMW driving feel again, I must downgrade to 335i. I have been test driving that car in the last few weeks. It's a good car for the price, but my wife and I don't like lower quality interior compared to F10.

From limited reviews of 2014 F10s, BMW seems to have improved the steering and handling of LCI F10s (M and non-M). Now, I want to give F10 another chance. I will eventually test drive LCI M5 and 550i (with 704 suspension). But, I want to get you guys' opinions who test drove both.

I post this on F10 forum as well.

To make my question simple:

Taking out the power difference out of the equation, is M5 worth $25k extra to get BMW driving fun back? Or 2014 550i will be enough to satisfy my craving? Or both cars are still boring compared to 3-series?
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:58 PM
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If you can afford an M5 I would get it. $25k is absolutely worth it if you got the cash.
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Old 09-16-2013, 05:24 PM
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I agree... With the cosmetic features and performance you get a lot more bang for the buck. Better leather choices, perforated seats all the way around. 4 zone climate standard, better instrument display, heads up display with RPM gauge, amazing seats, alcantera headliner, leather dash and door panels, and of course no run flats.
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It seems your priorities are similar to mine. If the 535i's power IS enough, then why not test drive the LCI 535i w/704 as well? Less weight up front should give you better turn in.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:53 PM
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It seems your priorities are similar to mine. If the 535i's power IS enough, then why not test drive the LCI 535i w/704 as well? Less weight up front should give you better turn in.
Yes, I will do that as well. Before reading a lot of positive reviews of F10 LCI on this forum, I was going to drop F10 from my choice.


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Old 09-16-2013, 11:53 PM
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I have the 550i and If you have the money, I would def. get the M5. It's a much nicer car and the handling is probably one of the best.
The 550i doesn't satisfy me, when you see an M5 on the road, you're going to want it.
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I faced the same decision last year...I drove the 550 and it blew me away. It's easily the best car I've owned and for the first time in my life, I'm considering buying it out after my lease is up.

Having said that...I regret not getting the M5.

Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong with either. If you can get an M5 w/out impacting your pocket book...get one. ;-)
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Funny how the response here is so much more civil and down to earth while the guys over on the M5 forum talk down on the 550 as a POS.

If you are leasing then it comes down to the monthly payment differences. I would pay alittle more for the M5 if it isn't too ridiculous.

If you were buying then I would say no. 25K is a lot and I do not feel like the M5 is 25K nicer but thats just me. You can pick up a 2014 535 for around 60K. You can take that 40K difference and buy another "fun" car.

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This is an F10 forum and the OP was really an F10 question. But you point out that the interior of the F30 kept you out of the car, and that was probably the case for me too. I do like the F30 in general and the F10 really is a much larger car than I need. But I sat in an F30 several times, and I just couldn't do it.

I used to have an E60, and I remember how similar the E60 and E9x interiors were. Almost indistinguishable, as long as the E9x was outfitted well. The F30 and F10, on the other hand, are at an entirely different level from one another. To my eyes, the F10 might seem nicer than it should for a car in that price range, if that is possible.

Anyway, bummer about the F30 interior. Buzzkill against an otherwise nice car.
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This is an F10 forum and the OP was really an F10 question. But you point out that the interior of the F30 kept you out of the car, and that was probably the case for me too. I do like the F30 in general and the F10 really is a much larger car than I need. But I sat in an F30 several times, and I just couldn't do it.

I used to have an E60, and I remember how similar the E60 and E9x interiors were. Almost indistinguishable, as long as the E9x was outfitted well. The F30 and F10, on the other hand, are at an entirely different level from one another. To my eyes, the F10 might seem nicer than it should for a car in that price range, if that is possible.

Anyway, bummer about the F30 interior. Buzzkill against an otherwise nice car.
This is why I am waiting for the F80 M3. From the spy shots, plus past history, I am sincerely hoping it advances the interior game significantly. Otherwise I can't pull the trigger.

And I can't buy another p-car. They're too damn expensive! Honestly, I'd rather buy a $30k GTi and have virtually the same level of materials in the interior as a $55k F30 335. Sure it wouldn't be as fast or as nice, but $25k is a lot of dough.
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Wait for the F80 even if that means extending a lease or getting into a cheap transition car. 1000 lbs lighter and less money than the M5. You will be kicking yourself if you are stuck in an expensive M5 lease when this car is launched. It will guaranteed offer a more connected, nimble and less filtered driving experience than any F10. The interior will be nice enough to make it a much better overall package if you prioritize driving dynamics.
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This is why I am waiting for the F80 M3. From the spy shots, plus past history, I am sincerely hoping it advances the interior game significantly. Otherwise I can't pull the trigger.

And I can't buy another p-car. They're too damn expensive! Honestly, I'd rather buy a $30k GTi and have virtually the same level of materials in the interior as a $55k F30 335. Sure it wouldn't be as fast or as nice, but $25k is a lot of dough.
I dunno; for me it's not as much a question of materials quality as it is design. Something about that center stack bothers me. I think it's the gap between the bottom of the cluster and the shifter area. The large piece of dashboard material that wraps underneath the stack makes room for the cupholders, but to my eyes it places the stack a little too high up and it looks inelegant. The slope line of the control stack should continue down to the point where it meets the shifter area.

This doesn't seem like something they will change for the F80 - although I will say that the materials they used on the F32 prototype were probably slick enough to make me forget about the issue.

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The interior of the F80 will probably mimic the F30 design but a fat M-wheel, cool shifter, carbon fiber and alcantara trim plus extended leather in Nappa style quality will go a long way to transform the feel and ambience. Then add the CFRP bucket seats ( if available in the US ) and it will be a far cry from the inside of a 320i...
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I'd love to consider an M4 as well but that inevitable inherently nasty F30 interior architecture/design/material nature would be a deal breaker for me after acclimating to the F10's interior ambiance/feel.
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Funny how the response here is so much more civil and down to earth while the guys over on the M5 forum talk down on the 550 as a POS.

If you are leasing then it comes down to the monthly payment differences. I would pay alittle more for the M5 is it isn't too ridiculous.

If you were buying then I would say no. 25K is a lot and I do not feel like the M5 is 25K nicer but thats just me. You can pick up a 2014 535 for around 60K. You can take that 40K difference and buy another "fun" car.

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Hi Alan. I see you got LCI 550i. I remembered when you tried to improve 535 handling with ACS and M5 bars. I tried ACS, that didn't work too well.

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The interior of the F80 will probably mimic the F30 design but a fat M-wheel, cool shifter, carbon fiber and alcantara trim plus extended leather in Nappa style quality will go a long way to transform the feel and ambience. Then add the CFRP bucket seats ( if available in the US ) and it will be a far cry from the inside of a 320i...
Yes. F80 M3 will be my ultimate goal. I know you love M3 as well.

I tried to get a used E90 M3 as a transition car, but wife doesn't approve due to interior.

So I was thinking to lease LCI F10 or M5 for 3 years, then pick up an LCI m3 in 2016-2017.




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I'd love to consider an M4 as well but that inevitable inherently nasty F30 interior architecture/design/material nature would be a deal breaker for me after acclimating to the F10's interior ambiance/feel.
Too bad BMW doesn't make 4-series interior different from 3-series just like 6-series interior different from 5-series.


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I dunno; for me it's not as much a question of materials quality as it is design. Something about that center stack bothers me. I think it's the gap between the bottom of the cluster and the shifter area. The large piece of dashboard material that wraps underneath the stack makes room for the cupholders, but to my eyes it places the stack a little too high up and it looks inelegant. The slope line of the control stack should continue down to the point where it meets the shifter area.

This doesn't seem like something they will change for the F80 - although I will say that the materials they used on the F32 prototype were probably slick enough to make me forget about the issue.

I think material also matters. I saw 4-series concept interior with full leather dashboard and contrast stitching. It looks awesome although it has the same design as the production one.


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As someone faced with this exact thing (I had an M5 at BMW in Spartanburg), I replaced a 2011 535 with a 2013 535 and was very happy.

I've owned Porsches and (most recently) a Nissan GT-R.

If I were you I'd get a 550i. Or another 535i.

Not worth the maintenance cost/complexity and hassle of an M5.
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Get a tune in the 535 and it will be very rewarding. I am unsure about the M5. You can buy a new Stingray for $55k and keep it in the garage for fun and have the 535 (tuned) and take everyone for dinner.
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As someone faced with this exact thing (I had an M5 at BMW in Spartanburg), I replaced a 2011 535 with a 2013 535 and was very happy.

I've owned Porsches and (most recently) a Nissan GT-R.

If I were you I'd get a 550i. Or another 535i.

Not worth the maintenance cost/complexity and hassle of an M5.
You don't feel M5 is a big improvement in term of driving fun over 535?

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Funny how the response here is so much more civil and down to earth while the guys over on the M5 forum talk down on the 550 as a POS.

If you are leasing then it comes down to the monthly payment differences. I would pay alittle more for the M5 if it isn't too ridiculous.

If you were buying then I would say no. 25K is a lot and I do not feel like the M5 is 25K nicer but thats just me. You can pick up a 2014 535 for around 60K. You can take that 40K difference and buy another "fun" car.

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Indeed. I was really bummed by that. Cheap move by BMW to call it a "4 Series" and keep a total carryover interior from the 3 Series (talk about "badge engineering"). I'm really into the prospects of a 435i M Sport in that stunning blue color, but that interior....
Totally agreed. I just leased a 535, and I'll say that 90% of the reason I didn't hold out for a 435 instead was the interior.
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Totally agreed. I just leased a 535, and I'll say that 90% of the reason I didn't hold out for a 435 instead was the interior.
Probably just as well, it sounds like the 435i isn't that exciting that it's worth the trade-off anyway. The F8X on the other hand should be quite a different story. I hope. ( I think the interior looks ok but "not special", "ordinary" and "boring" to drive is not ok ).


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