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Old 01-13-2014, 10:16 PM
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New flex disk, oem type..

I can say pretty confidently the the whole subframe is swinging like swing arm in the rear up and down by pivoting on the #2 mounts..

Torque links wont help will they? There are SHOT


I dont see how it can be the diff, if was randomly locking or something it would not happen on shifts or take off..

The diff plain and simple is moving.. Its smooth, quiet and fine at any speed.. Never had an issue..

I just need to figure out what eliminates any vertical movement of the subframe..
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:17 PM
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Understand this is a brainstorming situation.
I've had some time on my hands since my car is down and out.
You should have found this a while ago.
For it sounds like it's rear drivetrain and diff suspension related.
But you haven't. I've been there I know the feeling.
So you have to think and go over everything once more.
Is there anything you over looked because you thought it was ok?

When I did the head swap in my car. It was straight forward.
I did everything by the book. But I had issues.
It took at least a month to finally find all the issues going on.
Now well last sunday before 7pm it was working well.

That said I'm not there to turn a wrench with you.
I'm going through this like I helped you with your build.
I just want a full understanding of what you got.
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:19 PM
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New flex disk, oem type..

I can say pretty confidently the the whole subframe is swinging like swing arm in the rear up and down by pivoting on the #2 mounts..

Torque links wont help will they? There are SHOT
Have you replaced bushing No#2 in the subframe. And the dogbones aka rear pitman arms have you replaced them as well?
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:22 PM
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Sub frame diagram!

What is number 1? What does it do?

I do not recognize that either..
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:24 PM
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1 is the subframe itself
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:24 PM
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is 10 still there? not joking just making sure you can't remove #10. Well you shouldn't.
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:31 PM
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Damn I wish my car was here so I can do a full visual and run through everything not just a factory diagram.
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:31 PM
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Understand this is a brainstorming situation.
I've had some time on my hands since my car is down and out.
You should have found this a while ago.
For it sounds like it's rear drivetrain and diff suspension related.
But you haven't. I've been there I know the feeling.
So you have to think and go over everything once more.
Is there anything you over looked because you thought it was ok?

When I did the head swap in my car. It was straight forward.
I did everything by the book. But I had issues.
It took at least a month to finally find all the issues going on.
Now well last sunday before 7pm it was working well.

That said I'm not there to turn a wrench with you.
I'm going through this like I helped you with your build.
I just want a full understanding of what you got.
Im sorry, im just checking off what i truely belive can NOT be it.


What i ment, is the diff itself is not just hopping..

The whole subframe is hopping i believe..

This should speak well for bushing between?

I dont see how #2 failed but the car was awkwardly on jack stands. Usually on one side in the front..

This made the car twist and the rear suspension is what absorbed this..

Id imagine #2 took the abuse? I want my new PU ones put in buy just cant find the energy to tackle it.. Maybe ill drop the diff and do them both..

Also, with just the diff mount i did today in bolted, the whole rear does swing down likes ment to pivot.. But should it really????????

PLEASE understand im not trying to be short with you or ungrateful..

The Context is so lost in texting. Im begging for help, not refutting it!
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:34 PM
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Damn I wish my car was here so I can do a full visual and run through everything not just a factory diagram.
We have different diffs?

The medium large case the same style..?
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:36 PM
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Have you replaced bushing No#2 in the subframe. And the dogbones aka rear pitman arms have you replaced them as well?
Those are what ment by torque links.

Can they do this?

10 goes to these.. So yes there both there
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:38 PM
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1 is the subframe itself
Look again please, the line for #1 goes more specifically to a bracket looking thing..

Potentially connect subframe to car? Eliminating ability to move up/down?

I do not recognize them.. Theres one on each side like shoulder pads..
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:38 PM
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Lol, I'm ok man and I didn't mean to come off abrasive.
I'm with you. I want you to figure this out.
Replace #2 (in the subframe diagram) those are your subframe bushings.
The car will behave as such if not replaced.
Meaning when you put the car in the air nothing should be swinging like a kid on a swing with a ice cream cone.
Also the pitman arms.



They're no# 6 in this diagram. if they look like crap replace them too.
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:42 PM
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I see what your talking about. That's where the rear trailing arm mounts up.
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:44 PM
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Those are the rear trailing arm mounts. If you sheared that off... oh boy your in trouble.
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:45 PM
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Lol, I'm ok man and I didn't mean to come off abrasive.
I'm with you. I want you to figure this out.
Replace #2 (in the subframe diagram) those are your subframe bushings.
The car will behave as such if not replaced.
Meaning when you put the car in the air nothing should be swinging like a kid on a swing with a ice cream cone.
Also the pitman arms.



They're no# 6 in this diagram. if they look like crap replace them too.

They are SHOT! I asked if this can cuase it.. Someone said no affects side 2 side only?

I guess its time to go #2 lol....

And rear trailing arm mounts? To the car?
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:48 PM
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Get some sleep and get back on it tomorrow with a fresh mind and eye.

Just on a fyi the pitman arms will cause these effects as well which is why I suggested checking them out. They stabilize the subframe to the RTAs as well as your car's ride.
If they are wonky. The car will go go loose in the rear.
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:53 PM
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They are SHOT! I asked if this can cuase it.. Someone said no affects side 2 side only?

I guess its time to go #2 lol....

And rear trailing arm mounts? To the car?
It does but your having stability issues with the subframe and diff. These attach the RTA to the subframe




Much better I feel like I can see for the first time. REAL PICTURES

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Old 01-13-2014, 10:59 PM
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The right pitman arm attaches under that bar (no#10)
The RTA then connects to the subframe. (see the pic above)

Matter of fact check out this DIY

Firming up that soft and saggy rear end

I'm gone brah. Get some sleep. Good thing about a build thread. You can go back to it.

Goodnight.
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:11 PM
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Think we, actually you GOT IT!

Just crawled my freshly showered ass backunder there at night lol.. Went all CSI with a lil flash lite..

Was totally different after 50x diagram analysis! Way less complex apearing.!


It is, and i pretty confident.. #2.. Rear sub frame bushings.. That i have lol..

I can move the subframe up and down by hand an inch!!

Its not pivoting from the rear subframe bush's.. its pivoting opposite, from the the diff mount and the subframe bushes gave up and are going up and Down!



I believe infact there are impact marks were it hitting the bottom of the car above the number 2 bushing lol..!!!

So i wanna thank you again, guess what i get to do now!

Satin was clearly out to fix 1 more e34 before he goes, bless him..

When its fixed and verified ill "virtually Hoover up his gentlemen's relish" if its right!!!

Watch it be wrong now haha

I mean for god sakes, there are PU bushing's sitting right here.. Just got that energy i could not find to do it thank to you..
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:20 PM
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The why i noticed now...

A) everytime i jacked my car up on both sides to pry and check i had the jack stands under the rear subframe.. This eliminated its movement.. As my focus was why does the diff move, did not think of it!

B) my friend said the exuast bounced with it.. I had a bracket made from sub frame to exhuast hanger today.. So they NOW move together..

C) my own stupidity.. I imagine the failure mode of those bushings being that the center bolts will ring like a bell on the sides of the subframe.. Go to the side threw the rubber., what i did not think, is that the mount was not supposed to slide up and down on that bolt/shaft in the center..

The bushing wont let you go sideways, but up and down ALL DAY!!!! They sure do look ok.. Sneaky SOB's
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Old 01-14-2014, 09:00 AM
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The subframe bushings are the most over looked items.
For you can't tell if there bad unless you pull the plates, you see physical wear on the bolt and / or possibly the outside of the bushing if it separated from the subframe.

Glad I could help.
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Old 01-14-2014, 09:10 AM
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The subframe bushings are the most over looked items.
For you can't tell if there bad unless you pull the plates, you see physical wear on the bolt and / or possibly the outside of the bushing if it separated from the subframe.

Glad I could help.
I had removed the plates and the bushings looked fine..

When only lateral play is in consideration its even true..

What other bushings wear in a fashion of sliding off of the bolt? Rather than allowing the bolt to move around... Its the only one i can think of..
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Started at 8am, its 2:30pm.. I just finished the first side lol..


20 minutes droping right side of the subframe/bushing install/reinstalling it..

10 minutes getting more screw drivers and mini pry bars/ monster..

4 hours removing the old bushing with hand tools..

I read the direction like last month haha, so im winging on memory..
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Status report.


Drivings revealed that "the clunking" so to speak.. Is gone!

I do have definit clutch chatter, but never any vibration beyond the clutches engagement area..

Feels like there's a slight single thump with the shifts but thats it..

May take done getting used to, definitly a pleasures to drive again!!!

Thank you MSD, first luanch since September 2013 that did not sound like it wasn't gonna destroy the car!


Can anyone with a 540 with out any diff issues do a video of reverse to first wheels in the air? I think they hop a little still and want to see whats
normal..


Also, i pulled out nasty black what must be origanol brake fluid and did my SS lines..

Stops soooo much better!!! Wow!
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