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Old 04-09-2016, 09:02 AM
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Which X3 would you pick

Hey all, looking for opinions here. I have owned several BMW's including a couple of X5's both 03. One a 4.4 and one a 4.6is. I know how quirky they can be. I sold the 4.6is is a few months ago because it was starting to nickel and dime me. I replaced it with a Lexus 460 GX. The Lexus is ok but lacks the ultimate driving experience. Sure do miss the 4.6.

Fast forward to today. The 4.4 we bought new. It has been a pretty great car if you forget about cooling reservoirs, window regulators, and door latches. It has 165K miles and still runs like a top but starting to cost a little more each year to maintain. The wife wants another BMW so we have narrowed it down to an X3. Been working with a few dealers and narrowed it down to two vehicles. One is a 2014 35i w/24K miles. It is loaded and has about every option available including the M pkg, it is also CPO with new tires, windshield, brakes pads, etc. Warranty runs out in 2019. It originally stickered for $57K and is priced at $44K.

The other car is a new 2016 2.8i. It does not have a lot of options, just kind of the bare bones stuff. It stickers for $44K. I can get either car for $42K.

Which would you buy and why? Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide. I hope there is more activity here than the Xpost forum.
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Old 04-09-2016, 10:05 AM
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If you are coming from a 4.4 and a 4.6 you will likely regret getting the 2.8. Alot of folks here feel the 2.8 has plenty of grunt, but I am not one of them. Not to put them down, it's just my personal preference.
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Old 04-09-2016, 10:55 AM
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If you are coming from a 4.4 and a 4.6 you will likely regret getting the 2.8. A lot of folks here feel the 2.8 has plenty of grunt, but I am not one of them. Not to put them down, it's just my personal preference.
I agree ... the 35i is a rockstar and there's not enough change from the '14 to '16 to make the drop down, unless iDrive update, the look of the halos, or other small things matter.

That's just based on the choice of year and engine ... the finance/CPO/New/Lease discussion is a whole new thread!

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Old 04-09-2016, 03:51 PM
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Which X3 would you pick

Since I own a 14 35i with 20,100 miles, all options except the audio upgrade. I can tell you I wouldn't trade it for a base 16 28i.

It is a rocket ship and puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.

If you are just the everyday day driver the new 16 28i is a good car. But if you enjoy driving and want a nice and exciting car then the 14 35i is the way to go. Having it CPO till 2019 and 100k miles should give you some worry free driving for a few good years.

Forgot to mention maybe also get an independent tech to look over the used car just to be on the safe side.
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Old 04-09-2016, 03:58 PM
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Since I own a 14 35i with 20,100 miles, all options except the audio upgrade. I can tell you I wouldn't trade it for a base 16 28i.

It is a rocket ship and puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.

If you are just the everyday day driver the new 16 28i is a good car. But if you enjoy driving and want a nice and exciting car then the 14 35i is the way to go. Having it CPO till 2019 and 100k miles should give you some worry free driving for a few good years.
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Old 04-09-2016, 04:33 PM
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Given that it's that new and a CPO, other than maintenance once you exceed the initial warranty, I think the 35i is a no-brainer (especially with the M package). Around three years old is the sweet spot for buying used cars. For a similar budget, go with the 35i which only uses about 10% more fuel. If I had found one at the time, I'd have gone that route instead of the 28i, though I absolutely do not regret the 28i, which for my purposes has delivered just fine. Just make sure the tires really are in reasonable shape or if not, get them to make a reasonable compensation so you can replace them when needed with a decent set.
You really cannot go entirely wrong either way.
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Old 04-09-2016, 07:56 PM
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If you are coming from a 4.4 and a 4.6 you will likely regret getting the 2.8. Alot of folks here feel the 2.8 has plenty of grunt, but I am not one of them. Not to put them down, it's just my personal preference.
I completely agree. I have a 2016 28i and strongly regret not getting the 35i. It clearly does not perform as well as my 2011 28i six and I do not see better gas economy. The 4 cylinder 28i just sucks IMO.
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Old 04-09-2016, 08:30 PM
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I have the '16 28i and am happy with it. I test drove the 35i and it did have much more power and was funner to drive I opted for the 28i as I felt I didn't need to spend the extra money on sportier/faster X3.

Since its for your wife I suggest that she drives both and see what she likes better. She may not want the extra power and be happy with the 28i.
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Old 04-09-2016, 08:50 PM
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20K miles is nothing on this car. The main issue with buying used is running out of warranty and having expensive maintenance issues. I agree a no-brainer with the CPO.
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Old 04-10-2016, 06:55 AM
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Bought my '13 3.5i m-sport with 28K miles, but no nav or backup camera. Otherwise, has pretty much everything I'd want. Car is wonderful - would just not buy 2.8i - I don't like the BMW fours much, just my preference. Since I bought mine privately, price was literally $8-9K less than what a local dealer wanted for a similarly equipped 2011. No, mine's not CPO, but I still have till the end of the year on factory warranty, and the seller transferred a BMW Gold Extended Warranty to me which covers the car until end of 2018. I think I did well. $44K for the 2014 with 20K miles is too much for that car, IMO. You should be able to buy it for around $38-39K depending how hungry they are to sell it.
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Old 04-10-2016, 07:52 AM
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Thanks for all'y'alls input. I like where this thread is headed.

Yes it will be the wife's car but if we go on a trip I tend to do the driving. I was impressed with the 35i' snap especially in sport mode. It changes the shift points which makes it a blast to drive. The X3 does have an entirely different feel than the X5. I guess because of the weight difference it does not feel as "planted".

We will most likely keep this car for at least 5 years or more. We had one of the X5s for 13 years. The 2014 will have taken a big hit on two years depreciation. So I guesstimate the 2016 will take a huge hit as soon as it is driven off the lot. 5 years from now with the M package, and all the options I would suspect the 14 would be worth a little more, does anyone else agree with this logic?
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Old 04-10-2016, 08:01 AM
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I completely agree. I have a 2016 28i and strongly regret not getting the 35i. It clearly does not perform as well as my 2011 28i six and I do not see better gas economy. The 4 cylinder 28i just sucks IMO.
It doesn't suck, not compared to a Yugo.
But seriously, why all this putting down the 28i? It's a fine vehicle that stands its own against a lot of competitors. Many auto manufacturers offer a number of engine options on their models for various reasons. The same is true for options. If I don't get the lighting kit or the lumbar support do I deserve being branded a total loser?

Everyone is entitled to an individual preference. I mean really, there are cost, availability and driving preferences all involved here, so please stop the 28i bashing coming from the 35i elitist mentality.
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Thanks for all'y'alls input. I like where this thread is headed.

Yes it will be the wife's car but if we go on a trip I tend to do the driving. I was impressed with the 35i' snap especially in sport mode. It changes the shift points which makes it a blast to drive. The X3 does have an entirely different feel than the X5. I guess because of the weight difference it does not feel as "planted".

We will most likely keep this car for at least 5 years or more. We had one of the X5s for 13 years. The 2014 will have taken a big hit on two years depreciation. So I guesstimate the 2016 will take a huge hit as soon as it is driven off the lot. 5 years from now with the M package, and all the options I would suspect the 14 would be worth a little more, does anyone else agree with this logic?
I'm a big fan of 2-3 year old cars. My 2014 is a CPO and the warranty in my case is good 'til Feb. 2020 and it had 46k miles when I got it a month ago, so I'm set for 4 years with a substantial saving over the cost of a new vehicle. The 6-cylinder is a great vehicle and I'd have gotten one if one had been available at the right price with the right set of options, so don't pass up the opportunity if the price is right and you prefer the extra power. It may also hold its value a bit better as an added benefit. In my case, I tend to hold on to vehicles until the repair costs start getting disproportionately high compared to the vehicle's value. Go for it, man!
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Old 04-10-2016, 08:23 AM
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Nav' and cameras (rear and Surround View) and must have's on my cars now. I use the cameras for getting into end parking spaces and hugging the curb, to greatly minimize the chances of door dings and bumper doinks, but while also eliminating wheel scraping.

The new turbo' four cylinder engines have enough torque and generally enough power. My only gripe is the four-cylinder drone, as opposed to the six cylinder bark. Although, modern BMW's have such good sound insulation that you can't hear the engine noise with the windows closed. The four's fuel economy is also amazing. Life is full of trade-off's.
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Old 04-10-2016, 08:38 AM
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It doesn't suck, not compared to a Yugo.
But seriously, why all this putting down the 28i? It's a fine vehicle that stands its own against a lot of competitors. Many auto manufacturers offer a number of engine options on their models for various reasons. The same is true for options. If I don't get the lighting kit or the lumbar support do I deserve being branded a total loser?

Everyone is entitled to an individual preference. I mean really, there are cost, availability and driving preferences all involved here, so please stop the 28i bashing coming from the 35i elitist mentality.
Lighten up Francis. He asked for opinions and we are giving just that.....opinions. No bashing intended.
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Old 04-10-2016, 09:47 AM
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Everyone is entitled to an individual preference. I mean really, there are cost, availability and driving preferences all involved here, so please stop the 28i bashing coming from the 35i elitist mentality.
I see where your coming from buy other than one post I think we're offering a preference for the turbo six.

We've had a 28i and 35i, in 3 and X3's, and if you have the means and don't mind the loss of a bit of fuel savings, the 35i is an engine well matched for that vehicle.

I don't see it as elitist at all.
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Old 04-10-2016, 10:47 AM
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Everyone has a different philosophy regarding new versus used. Some people feel that a 3 year old vehicle is the sweet spot. I feel the older the vehicle, the more difficult it is to price. Since I view a car as a depreciating asset, I see no diiference in the cost of ownership between a new vehicle and a used vehicle. Add in it costs $2000 every time you trade a vehicle, I feel its cheaper to buy a new vehicle that you like and hold on to it for 9 years. After 9 years BMWs are expensive to repair unless you're a mechanic. I felt no difference between the 28i and the 35i, so I picked the 28i and spent the savings on the HK sound system. But a new 35i comes with HK, panarama roof and xeon adaptive lights. If those are things you would appreciate, why not consider a new 35i? It costs less per year to own than a used 35i with options you might not want.
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Old 04-10-2016, 11:24 AM
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Good point about options -- in many cases, it's very hard to find a used vehicle with all the features you want, starting with the paint color and engine, and moving on through seat material/color and and the myriad options.

Another possibility that I did with one vehicle that worked out to be surprisingly cost-effectivie -- as long as you don't drive more than 10k or 12k a year -- is leasing. That way, you get to drive a new car around every three years and don't need to lay down a huge amount of capital. Sure, you have no real assets in it, but if you work out the overall real cost, it can come out about even or even cheaper. You also don't have to worry about any long-term maintenance or repair issues
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I'm a big fan of 2-3 year old cars. My 2014 is a CPO and the warranty in my case is good 'til Feb. 2020 and it had 46k miles when I got it a month ago, so I'm set for 4 years with a substantial saving over the cost of a new vehicle. The 6-cylinder is a great vehicle and I'd have gotten one if one had been available at the right price with the right set of options, so don't pass up the opportunity if the price is right and you prefer the extra power. It may also hold its value a bit better as an added benefit. In my case, I tend to hold on to vehicles until the repair costs start getting disproportionately high compared to the vehicle's value. Go for it, man!
Thanks everyone! I tend to agree with you all and leaning towards the 2014 35i. I would have kept the 4.6 but in the last year spent over $5K in misc stuff like water pump, valley pan gaskets, suspension air bags and bushings, tires, window regulator, door latch, MAF sensor, and on and on. I had hoped to sell it before it got to that point. What a fine running automobile tho, that was the ultimate driving machine, and sure do miss her.

I suspect we will keep whichever X3 we get for at least 5 years. Leasing is great for people who like to have a new vehicle every 3 years but I prefer not to have a car payment, period. If I love my auto I keep it. 15 years ago I paid cash for my 2001 GMC 2500 HD and still drive it regularly. It will probably hit 100K miles this year.
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Thanks everyone! I tend to agree with you all and leaning towards the 2014 35i. I would have kept the 4.6 but in the last year spent over $5K in misc stuff like water pump, valley pan gaskets, suspension air bags and bushings, tires, window regulator, door latch, MAF sensor, and on and on. I had hoped to sell it before it got to that point. What a fine running automobile tho, that was the ultimate driving machine, and sure do miss her.

I suspect we will keep whichever X3 we get for at least 5 years. Leasing is great for people who like to have a new vehicle every 3 years but I prefer not to have a car payment, period. If I love my auto I keep it. 15 years ago I paid cash for my 2001 GMC 2500 HD and still drive it regularly. It will probably hit 100K miles this year.
I agree with the other people who prefer the 35i. I too have a fully loaded 14 35i with the M sport. I have never regretted the decision as new it stickered at $57k, paid $48k back in early 2015.
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I agree with the other people who prefer the 35i. I too have a fully loaded 14 35i with the M sport. I have never regretted the decision as new it stickered at $57k, paid $48k back in early 2015.
Thank you all for your responses. I pulled the trigger on the 14 35i. Haven't driven much but going on a road trip to Zion National Park this weekend so looking forward to spending some time behind the wheel. I have to tell you the technology in the BMW is so much more intuitive than my 13 Lexus.
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Excellent choice. Use it well!
Will do. Looking forward to a road trip coming up.

Wife hauls her road and mtn bike all over tarnation with a hitch mount receiver bike rack. I was going to have the dealer install a hitch but decided on buying the BMW Accessory bike rack. It is easier to use. With the X5s we could open the tail gate and rear hatch with bikes on the rack but that was not gonna work on the X3. The BMW rack is pretty slick, it locks easily, drops down easily so you can open the rear hatch, and is pretty sturdy. So $1200 later we have a good set up. The roof rack was not going to work and a hitch install was going to be around $1800 with lights.
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Thank you all for your responses. I pulled the trigger on the 14 35i. Haven't driven much but going on a road trip to Zion National Park this weekend so looking forward to spending some time behind the wheel. I have to tell you the technology in the BMW is so much more intuitive than my 13 Lexus.
Congrats and I'm sure you'll be very happy with that decision! Safe travels and I'm curious what you get for mpg returns on long highway stretches. Good time of the year to head for Zion, before it gets too hot!
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Thank you all for your responses. I pulled the trigger on the 14 35i. Haven't driven much but going on a road trip to Zion National Park this weekend so looking forward to spending some time behind the wheel. I have to tell you the technology in the BMW is so much more intuitive than my 13 Lexus.
Congratulations on the new X3! There is an active chapter of the BMW CCA (BMW Car Club) in New México. They do tours, tech sessions, social events, and other things of interest to BMW owners. You may want to consider joining.

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