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Old 09-27-2013, 08:25 AM
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Mercedes drivers really don't want to feel the road. Cool engineering though!!

Not for me (unless it can be shut off), but pretty cool. How long until the 7 series does something similar? I am betting it's difficult to get a flat tire with this system.



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Old 09-27-2013, 08:28 AM
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Should there have been a link with this?

Edit: There it is.
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Old 09-27-2013, 09:13 AM
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I just like that the branded it as "magic." If it's magic, it must be good.
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Old 09-27-2013, 12:07 PM
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That's pretty impressive. My SL has Active Body Control, which doesn't use cameras, but uses hhydraulic shocks to compensate, making the ride silky smooth. You are right, it is for folks who do not want to feel the road. It's nice, and smooth, but not fun, at least not how I define fun.
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Active suspensions are definitely the future. It is a very good technology and depending on how the software is configured there is no reason why it could not be used on a performance car. It has been around for a whole and the Mercedes implementation simply takes it to another level.

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Active suspensions are definitely the future. It is a very good technology and depending on how the software is configured there is no reason why it could not be used on a performance car. It has been around for a whole and the Mercedes implementation simply takes it to another level.

True that, but it does say something a little scary about Merc and their customers when they specifically say one of the goals of this suspension is, "We want to allow drivers to feel as little of the road surface as they want."
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Not for me (unless it can be shut off), but pretty cool. How long until the 7 series does something similar? I am betting it's difficult to get a flat tire with this system.

I like it! But have a few questions....
  • Camera like a web/phone cam, infrared to ultraviolet freq's?
  • Performance in rain?
  • Snow/ice?
  • Fog?
  • Puddles?
Gotta think this is like electric steering....be awhile 'til really good. Gimmick?
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not for me (unless it can be shut off), but pretty cool. How long until the 7 series does something similar? I am betting it's difficult to get a flat tire with this system.

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Just think....that was some years back....that Lexus was NEW when the system debuted.


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Will our automotive mechanic tech schools be able to keep up with this increasingly complex auto technology? Or will Mercedes, BMW, etc. send the dealership techs to their 'proprietary' training classes, schools...thus "cutting out" the independent shops?

I'm sure there will be 'open access' repair manuals, but I've heard of issues regarding "proprietary" tools.

I support "right to repair" legislation.
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Latte? That looked more like a Mimosa in the video.

10 year old Mercedes technology still makes cars glide over bumps without even feeling them. It's kind of amusing to me as the main road through our subdivision has a very prominent 'bump' in the left lane of an intersection. When I am driving the E93, I've learned to head toward the esplanade to avoid a jolt that makes all the top joints shudder and the suspension come dangerously close to a "pothole explosion". When I take this same patch of road in our E-class MB, I can hit it straight on with no reduction in speed and it never misses a beat. It's not as much fun as slaloming around the road moguls, but it's definitely smooth and floaty.
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Will our automotive mechanic tech schools be able to keep up with this increasingly complex auto technology? Or will Mercedes, BMW, etc. send the dealership techs to their 'proprietary' training classes, schools...thus "cutting out" the independent shops?

I'm sure there will be 'open access' repair manuals, but I've heard of issues regarding "proprietary" tools.

I support "right to repair" legislation.

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Latte? That looked more like a Mimosa in the video.

10 year old Mercedes technology still makes cars glide over bumps without even feeling them. It's kind of amusing to me as the main road through our subdivision has a very prominent 'bump' in the left lane of an intersection. When I am driving the E93, I've learned to head toward the esplanade to avoid a jolt that makes all the top joints shudder and the suspension come dangerously close to a "pothole explosion". When I take this same patch of road in our E-class MB, I can hit it straight on with no reduction in speed and it never misses a beat. It's not as much fun as slaloming around the road moguls, but it's definitely smooth and floaty.
A well designed adaptive suspension will not feel "floaty ". It can actually feel firm but will never feel harsh. If some properly road imperfections will "disappear" but the car will not lean on corners or oscillate after hitting a bump.
It is definitely a technology that can be applied to high performance cars.

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Latte? That looked more like a Mimosa in the video.

10 year old Mercedes technology still makes cars glide over bumps without even feeling them. It's kind of amusing to me as the main road through our subdivision has a very prominent 'bump' in the left lane of an intersection. When I am driving the E93, I've learned to head toward the esplanade to avoid a jolt that makes all the top joints shudder and the suspension come dangerously close to a "pothole explosion". When I take this same patch of road in our E-class MB, I can hit it straight on with no reduction in speed and it never misses a beat. It's not as much fun as slaloming around the road moguls, but it's definitely smooth and floaty.
For years, Mercedes has tried to make their S-class cars as "isolated" to the outside world as possible and not just with their suspensions.

My former S320 had "double layered" glass side windows designed to reduce outside noise (no need to hear from peons and the downtrodden from your exalted Mercedes cockpit). The side windows were so heavy that there were a lot of window actuator problems.

It was a very 'quiet' car...I couldn't even hear fire trucks coming my way. There should be a limit to "quietness" from the cockpit! The driver needs outside perception.

I acquired it only because BMW lease rates at that time were still 'arrogantly' high.
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Honestly, I'm just eagerly waiting for autonomous vehicles to hit the road. This might sound weird from a BMW driver but honestly I don't care for urban/suburban or even long, boring interstate slogs (a lot of the time I wish I was already at the destination). Plus I'm sure it would probably do a better job of driving than I would.
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I like it.

But it's certainly not for the "fiscally challenged" people that like to pick these cars up when they hit the used car market.

I retrofitted a friend's Mark VII LSC with springs because of all the issues he was having with regular "dumb" airbag suspension.

I can only imagine the cost of things that could go wrong with this. But like a 7 Series if you have to ask you can't afford the car to begin with.
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