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Old 09-27-2013, 02:38 PM
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Ah geez, my 2014 328i finished production on 9/13/2014 and it's already in transit in the mid Atlantic. What should I do? I already paid a 1000 deposit. Should I cancel my order? Can I get my deposit back?
And buy what 335?
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:40 PM
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Ah geez, my 2014 328i finished production on 9/13/2014 and it's already in transit in the mid Atlantic. What should I do? I already paid a 1000 deposit. Should I cancel my order? Can I get my deposit back?
Why cancel? They are going to fix it. It's just that it may delay delivery.
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Ok, deep breath, we may not be impacted with September production
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And buy what 335?
I don't know. This is a problem because my wife is using the only other car we have and all I got is a pair of sneakers I use to get work
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Fvckin glad I opted for the F10 with a 6 yo
Depends on which one you got...
2012-13 528i, 528i xDrive Sedan - 12,708 potentially affected
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I have no doubt BMW is working as fast as humanly possible on this, but it is going to be at least somewhat of a PR nightmare. I imagine this will be a national news headline maker - BMW suspends sales as thousands and thousands of the latest edition of BMW's most popular models recalled for possible brake failure. Oy vey!!
I could give a damn about BMW's potential PR problems - I care about the safety of my family. At this moment - since BMW cannot tell us definitively if our cars are safe - I must assume my new $50K 328xi Sport-line is unsafe. Indeed, dealers are being told not to sell cars on their lots. The least BMW should do is rebate lease payments on affected cars until a fix is fully implemented. It is unconscionable to ask us to knowingly to compromise the safety of our families - and have no ready plan to boot.
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I could give a damn about BMW's potential PR problems - I care about the safety of my family. At this moment - since BMW cannot tell us definitively if our cars are safe - I must assume my new $50K 328xi Sport-line is unsafe. Indeed, dealers are being told not to sell cars on their lots. The least BMW should do is rebate lease payments on affected cars until a fix is fully implemented. It is unconscionable to ask us to knowingly to compromise the safety of our families - and have no ready plan to boot.
BMW feels it is still safe for you to drive the car.

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I could give a damn about BMW's potential PR problems - I care about the safety of my family. At this moment - since BMW cannot tell us definitively if our cars are safe - I must assume my new $50K 328xi Sport-line is unsafe. Indeed, dealers are being told not to sell cars on their lots. The least BMW should do is rebate lease payments on affected cars until a fix is fully implemented. It is unconscionable to ask us to knowingly to compromise the safety of our families - and have no ready plan to boot.
At least BMW is stepping up to the plate early for this issue which shows they care about customer safety. They could have played the wait and see game like others have done.
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I could give a damn about BMW's potential PR problems - I care about the safety of my family. At this moment - since BMW cannot tell us definitively if our cars are safe - I must assume my new $50K 328xi Sport-line is unsafe. Indeed, dealers are being told not to sell cars on their lots. The least BMW should do is rebate lease payments on affected cars until a fix is fully implemented. It is unconscionable to ask us to knowingly to compromise the safety of our families - and have no ready plan to boot.
I agree, this is a nightmare, period. It doesn't help the current owners, but BMW certainly is between a rock and a hard place - how to handle the fact that the failure is unlikely, BUT there are thousands of affected vehicles out there on the road? How are those owners supposed to feel safe driving their cars until the repair is made? And what can can BMW realistically do to address that situation?
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BMW feels it is still safe for you to drive the car.

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Really? Are you going to put your family at risk on such a thin reassurance given we know there is a potential problem with a major safety system?

I am not trying to be difficult about this - I am concerned for my family's safety and right now BMW cannot assure me that the brakes on my particular car are safe...

Since there are no telltale failure precursors - I guess, if my brakes do not fail - my car is safe but if my brakes fail - car is not safe.....
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Really? Are you going to put your family at risk on such a thin reassurance given we know there is a potential problem with a major safety system?

I am not trying to be difficult about this - I am concerned for my family's safety and right now BMW cannot assure me that the brakes on my particular car are safe...

Since there are no telltale failure precursors - I guess, if my brakes do not fail - my car is safe but if my brakes fail - car is not safe.....
This doesn't help the situation, but IF the NTHSA's estimate is correct that there are 40 incidents for every one reported and they have seven reports then out of the 76,000 vehicles affected there have been approximately 280 incidents with no reported injuries....yet. That's a less than 4/10 of one percent failure rate so far.
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Really? Are you going to put your family at risk on such a thin reassurance given we know there is a potential problem with a major safety system?

I am not trying to be difficult about this - I am concerned for my family's safety and right now BMW cannot assure me that the brakes on my particular car are safe...

Since there are no telltale failure precursors - I guess, if my brakes do not fail - my car is safe but if my brakes fail - car is not safe.....
Just telling you what BMW is saying. They specifically state it is safe to drive your vehicle.
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This doesn't help the situation, but IF the NTHSA's estimate is correct that there are 40 incidents for every one reported and they have seven reports then out of the 76,000 vehicles affected there have been approximately 280 incidents with no reported injuries....yet. That's a less than 4/10 of one percent failure rate so far.
"Affected vehicles in dealer inventories will not be sold or delivered to customers until the recall repair has been performed. Vehicles at BMW vehicle delivery centers will be corrected before shipment to dealerships."

This would indicate that BMW thinks this is not insignificant and potentially could have catastrophic consequences.

Point is no one knows the extent of the problem - only that a serious problem exists - your hypothetical statistic will provide little solace to my family if my car is experiences a failure.
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"Affected vehicles in dealer inventories will not be sold or delivered to customers until the recall repair has been performed. Vehicles at BMW vehicle delivery centers will be corrected before shipment to dealerships."

This would indicate that BMW thinks this is not insignificant and potentially could have catastrophic consequences.

Point is no one knows the extent of the problem - only that a serious problem exists - your hypothetical statistic will provide little solace to my family if my car is experiences a failure.
Interesting...so cars on the boat now will be fixed at the port/VPC?
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At least BMW is stepping up to the plate early for this issue which shows they care about customer safety. They could have played the wait and see game like others have done.
i think they were fast to address it once investigation was started by the Highway Safety agency. Reports of brake failures have been around since at least beginning of 2013. There is a sticky on it on the other board.
It happened to me once this summer, at a very slow speed, and the dealer was like, nah can't replicate it.
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From all the situations we've seen reported on here, the loss of power occurs at low speed and the car rolls a couple feet more than someone would expect. Chance of fender benders yes, chance for injury, not likely.

The description also shows your losing breaking power assist. I've been in a car when this happened before, it is not the end of the world. You just have to brake like a car would from the 50s - jam the pedal to the floor. Also as mentioned, the e-brake still works. I'm not saying there's no reason for concern, but I will still be driving mine until they tell me it's not safe and offer me a replacement.
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i think they were fast to address it once investigation was started by the Highway Safety agency. Reports of brake failures have been around since at least beginning of 2013. There is a sticky on it on the other board.
It happened to me once this summer, at a very slow speed, and the dealer was like, nah can't replicate it.
I'm sure an MBA at BMW did some quick calculations and came up with the result:
(Cost-of-delaying fix + cost-of-potential-lawsuits + bad PR) >> (Cost-of-recall + bad PR)
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Perhaps this is the reason my 428i, which was produced August 26th, is not even on a boat yet!



I don't think that's the reason, there is nothing they can do there until it hits VDC. Are you sure your car is not on a boat yet, that's a long time?

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"Affected vehicles in dealer inventories will not be sold or delivered to customers until the recall repair has been performed. Vehicles at BMW vehicle delivery centers will be corrected before shipment to dealerships."

This would indicate that BMW thinks this is not insignificant and potentially could have catastrophic consequences.

Point is no one knows the extent of the problem - only that a serious problem exists - your hypothetical statistic will provide little solace to my family if my car is experiences a failure.
I'm not trying to provide solace for you. I'm just commenting on the facts and logistics of a difficult and complicated situation BMW has to deal with.
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