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Old 10-02-2013, 09:52 PM
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Arrow [HELP!] I got an car accident, Is this wreck frame still fixable?

I got an accident this morning. My 2010 328xi crashed on the road median. As a result the driver side front wheel suspension is crashed. The subframe has been bent and crashed. The main frame(the big bar on the font) was luckily untouched. However since the subframe was pushed back, it pulled the joints connecting to main frame, As shown in the picture.

PLZ HELP I really want to know, does this effect a lot on the main frame? Is it still possible to restore its performance after replacing all broken parts and fully repaired?

Thank you very much
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:07 PM
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No one here can answer. You need to go by what the body shop tells you. They're the ones who will get a look at the actual damage.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:11 PM
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[HELP!] I got an car accident, Is this wreck frame still fixable?

If you're reporting it to your insurance, just have them assess it.


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Old 10-02-2013, 10:16 PM
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Thanks for your replies. The auto shop said they were able to fix it. I doubt about it. Just want to know based on your knowledge, do you see anything bad from the picture?

Thanks again
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:14 AM
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Thanks for your replies. The auto shop said they were able to fix it. I doubt about it. Just want to know based on your knowledge, do you see anything bad from the picture?
Why would you trust our, people who can only see a picture and not the actual vehicle, opinion compared to a body shop who specializes in this work and can assess the damage first hand? If you have doubts about the shop perhaps you should take it to a different one you trust or at least for a second opinion.
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:40 PM
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Old 10-05-2013, 06:15 AM
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2 1/2 years ago my car was hit to tune of 26k in damage with 9,000 miles on her. The sub rails were bent and the entire front end of the car was removed with new sub rails installed. I went to certified BMW shop to have the car fixed and today with 53,000 miles on it I have had 0 issues. No rattles and no abnormal tire wear. Believe me when I say I was skeptical that that my car could be restored, but I am a believer now! Don't take your car to a cheap discount shop as there are many out there that will try to bend the rails back into place. The one I used sent me pictures daily on the progress and encouraged me to visit during the restoration.
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Old 10-05-2013, 07:09 AM
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Aertoria, your car was designed with accicents in mind. No doubt you realize that occupant safety is first and foremost in the minds of structural engineers. Secondary and of still critical importance is repairability; the cars must be able to be reasonably affordable to repair, and still be safe and reliable. Otherwise a car would be on Consumer Reports' 'Do not buy' list and every insurance company in the US would price premiums accordingly.
All this means that the impact you sustained was considered 'normal' by the designers and therefore was designed to be fixable. I see that kind of damage every day, and far worse. I don't own a body shop, but my garage does all the mechanical repair for several shops. It would take me about 7-8 hours of labor and several thousand dollars worth of parts*, but in the end the car would drive the way BMW designed it to drive. When my shop is done with it the car would go back to the body shop for finishing. Don't lose sleep over it, this kind of work is gravy.

*Based only on what is obvious in the photos. There could be hidden damage, or damage which will only become obvious upon measurement, which could require more extensive repairs. If the subframe absorbed all the energy and is the only body component replaced, and the LF steering and suspension (but not the rack) are all the parts, then the job is a piece of cake.
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Old 10-05-2013, 09:08 AM
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If the damage isnt 70% of the vehicles value, they will try everything to fix it. I just had my 11 335xi, which was parked, get smashed by a tractor trailer as he was turning. The whole driver side from rear door to bumper needed replacement, along with A pillar partial replacement. 18k later and the car was fixed. Drove from body shop to dealership and traded it
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:21 AM
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I repeat - no one here can tell you whether it's fixable from photos. Go to a good, trustworthy shop and take their word for whatever the result is. The only thing you can argue about is if the insurance company undervalues your car - at which point you will need to come up with appraisals or other evidence that they're wrong.
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Old 10-05-2013, 06:47 PM
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It's really hard to gauge something like this through a picture. Physical measurements need to be taken to see where the frame is out of spec.
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Aertoria, your car was designed with accicents in mind. No doubt you realize that occupant safety is first and foremost in the minds of structural engineers. Secondary and of still critical importance is repairability; the cars must be able to be reasonably affordable to repair, and still be safe and reliable. Otherwise a car would be on Consumer Reports' 'Do not buy' list and every insurance company in the US would price premiums accordingly.
All this means that the impact you sustained was considered 'normal' by the designers and therefore was designed to be fixable. I see that kind of damage every day, and far worse. I don't own a body shop, but my garage does all the mechanical repair for several shops. It would take me about 7-8 hours of labor and several thousand dollars worth of parts*, but in the end the car would drive the way BMW designed it to drive. When my shop is done with it the car would go back to the body shop for finishing. Don't lose sleep over it, this kind of work is gravy.

*Based only on what is obvious in the photos. There could be hidden damage, or damage which will only become obvious upon measurement, which could require more extensive repairs. If the subframe absorbed all the energy and is the only body component replaced, and the LF steering and suspension (but not the rack) are all the parts, then the job is a piece of cake.
You're being polite and kind..."restrained" comes to mind. Repair estimate by one blurry photo may be rather difficult to judge at the least. As the OP has thrown this out to the whole Bimmerfest forum without qualification, I'm going to say his car is totalled...just my unqualified opinion.

His insurance Co. may PM me ;-)
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:12 AM
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You're being polite and kind..."restrained" comes to mind. Repair estimate by one blurry photo may be rather difficult to judge at the least. As the OP has thrown this out to the whole Bimmerfest forum without qualification, I'm going to say his car is totalled...just my unqualified opinion.

His insurance Co. may PM me ;-)
LOL, we're all internet experts. If we properly responded to all OP's with "Go consult an expert who can see/test/fix your car" then Bimmerfest would last about a month.
So, based on two photos I'm giving an insurance adjustor's opinion which normally requires a visit, bench measurement and close inspection. I never let lack of facts prevent me from coming to a conclusion...
The underbody sustained a mild hit. The subframe/cradle to which everything attaches will need replacement along with all the steering and suspension components on the driver's side. The bumper cover and some subcomponents are toast. The unibody is good as evidenced by the nice straight hood to fender gaps. $6248.65. You're welcome.
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:38 AM
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[HELP!] I got an car accident, Is this wreck frame still fixable?

The car can be fixed, might take time and money. I had the same issue, the chassis was not bent but the pinion arm and linkage holding the rotor. The parts down there are pretty cheap I can help you find some.

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Old 10-08-2013, 05:00 AM
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LOL, we're all internet experts. If we properly responded to all OP's with "Go consult an expert who can see/test/fix your car" then Bimmerfest would last about a month. So, based on two photos I'm giving an insurance adjustor's opinion which normally requires a visit, bench measurement and close inspection. I never let lack of facts prevent me from coming to a conclusion...
The underbody sustained a mild hit. The subframe/cradle to which everything attaches will need replacement along with all the steering and suspension components on the driver's side. The bumper cover and some subcomponents are toast. The unibody is good as evidenced by the nice straight hood to fender gaps. $6248.65. You're welcome.
Well stated, DXM. If someone does not want to render an opinion because they are not an "expert", fine...but telling the OP to go see an expert runs counter to the core of the 'fest.
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:53 AM
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Well stated, DXM. If someone does not want to render an opinion because they are not an "expert", fine...but telling the OP to go see an expert runs counter to the core of the 'fest.
On the flip side given most of us are not professional mechanics nor do any of us have access to the vehicle to properly inspect it our opinion adds almost no value.
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Lesson when dealing with the insurance companies:
1) Take it to your desired body shop before the insurance companies. Insurance companies will always choose the cheapest possible routes, and once they assess it you have an uphill battle. If the car is at the body shop and the body shop looked at it first, then they can talk to the insurance company adjuster and correct them
2) DO not always trust the body shop. Remember, they want your business. They know at what point insurance companies will total a car, and some may lower the price enough so the car is not totaled and they get the work. On the back end they will use sub-standard parts. Point is - second opinions matter
3) Everyone has their expertise. Unless you are going to a great body shop that also does mechanical work you may need to take the car to a trusted mechanic (e.g., BMW) and then take the body work to the trusted body shop. It's two locations, but you don't really want a body shop specialist working on your engine. That doesn't mean a body shop doesn't have great mechanics, but iypically it's not the case.
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