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Old 10-12-2013, 07:18 PM
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Steering Wheel shaking/vibration during hard cornering?

Hey guys. I just noticed today when cornering hard that the steering wheel of my 2008 328xi coupe exhibits a vibration/shaking in it. Its when I'm turning hard and accelerating hard into the corner, or just turning into the corner sharply. Its not a lot of vibration/shaking, but its noticeable in the steering wheel. Is this normal? I just want to know if it is normal before I become too worried.
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Old 10-12-2013, 08:00 PM
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Shaking would not be normal. Could be a tire or suspension issue, and being all wheel drive, could be a driveline issue as well. Hard to say.
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Old 10-12-2013, 08:11 PM
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I got the suspension all fixed up a couple weeks ago, so I don't think it could be that. Might be the tires or driveline. Idk...I'll have to drive it again tomorrow and see if it does that when cornering hard. It might have just been more of a road feeling since the roads here aren't great, but I *think* it was shaking. Going to have to definitely check it out again tomorrow.
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Old 10-12-2013, 08:42 PM
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Don't drive another mile without first checking to ensure that all your lugnuts are present and tightened to spec. I believe 88 ft. lbs. is correct for your car.
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Old 10-13-2013, 05:13 AM
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Thanks! I don't have the tools to do that, so I'm not sure how I would figure that out.
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Old 10-13-2013, 06:44 AM
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Torque wrench is $50-$100.

Or you could just first make sure none are loose with a 1/2" drive ratchet or equivalent
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Old 10-13-2013, 06:45 AM
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Ah okay thanks.
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Hey guys. I just noticed today when cornering hard that the steering wheel of my 2008 328xi coupe exhibits a vibration/shaking in it. Its when I'm turning hard and accelerating hard into the corner, or just turning into the corner sharply. Its not a lot of vibration/shaking, but its noticeable in the steering wheel. Is this normal? I just want to know if it is normal before I become too worried.


Well let's see.....

Model year 2008 - ~5 years. Has it been normal? NO? Ok we got that outatheway.

Possibilities include tire, wheel, and suspension issues. If you're not familiar with DIY for that, time to take it in. DSX's warning is good advice - if loose lug nuts, very unusual, can be big trouble just turning the first corner from your driveway....think: Collision. Do as he says!

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Old 10-13-2013, 08:21 AM
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I got the suspension all fixed up a couple weeks ago, so I don't think it could be that. Might be the tires or driveline. Idk...I'll have to drive it again tomorrow and see if it does that when cornering hard. It might have just been more of a road feeling since the roads here aren't great, but I *think* it was shaking. Going to have to definitely check it out again tomorrow.
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Well let's see.....

Model year 2008 - ~5 years. Has it been normal? NO? Ok we got that outatheway.

Possibilities include tire, wheel, and suspension issues. If you're not familiar with DIY for that, time to take it in. DSX's warning is good advice - if loose lug nuts, very unusual, can be big trouble just turning the first corner from your driveway....think: Collision. Do as he says!
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Cal, it's unusual, agreed. What concerns me is his comment that he recently had suspension work done. There's always the possibility that the lugs were not torqued/tightened. It happens.
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:34 AM
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I got the suspension all fixed up a couple weeks ago, so I don't think it could be that. Might be the tires or driveline. Idk...I'll have to drive it again tomorrow and see if it does that when cornering hard. It might have just been more of a road feeling since the roads here aren't great, but I *think* it was shaking. Going to have to definitely check it out again tomorrow.

Let's have a second look here.

What's recently changed that could affect cornering feel?
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:41 AM
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Cal, it's unusual, agreed. What concerns me is his comment that he recently had suspension work done. There's always the possibility that the lugs were not torqued/tightened. It happens.

Have to wonder what suspension work by who.....

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Every time suspension work's done, alignment's needed. Incorrect toe, for instance, will cause a shudder in certain conditions. Many possibilities here, all due to poor alignment.

Must be this relaxed, sleepy Sunday morn. Or, maybe All Hallow's Eve encroaches on my Wah. Whatever. I am remiss.
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I checked the Lugnuts and they are all there. Haven't checked if they are tightened down all the way. I got the suspension work done from BMW of Reading (BMW dealership) and the work was strut bushings replacement that were going out. They also changed both rear tires and rebalanced the tires. Now I know it wasn't a good idea, but I went out to drive it again, and it wasn't much of a shake, but more of a tire slipping kind of feeling...like traction loss. There was no screeching from the tires, so I guess I wasn't turning it too hard. Maybe thats what I perceived was a shaking steering wheel? I must have perceived it wrong since it was at night and I was tired yesterday.
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It's possible that traction control/dynamic stability control could be kicking in and the OP is feeling the braking action. Did you notice a flashing yellow icon on the dash?
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:59 AM
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I didn't notice anything on the dashboard, but I wasn't exactly paying attention to the dashboard when turning.
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Old 10-13-2013, 11:23 AM
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I checked the Lugnuts and they are all there. Haven't checked if they are tightened down all the way. I got the suspension work done from BMW of Reading (BMW dealership) and the work was strut bushings replacement that were going out. They also changed both rear tires and rebalanced the tires. Now I know it wasn't a good idea, but I went out to drive it again, and it wasn't much of a shake, but more of a tire slipping kind of feeling...like traction loss. There was no screeching from the tires, so I guess I wasn't turning it too hard. Maybe thats what I perceived was a shaking steering wheel? I must have perceived it wrong since it was at night and I was tired yesterday.

Don't see nothin' about no alignment. Do you have a Kinematic Alignment readout? Absolutely required after work you had done.
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Old 10-13-2013, 11:27 AM
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I checked the Lugnuts and they are all there. Haven't checked if they are tightened down all the way. I got the suspension work done from BMW of Reading (BMW dealership) and the work was strut bushings replacement that were going out. They also changed both rear tires and rebalanced the tires. Now I know it wasn't a good idea, but I went out to drive it again, and it wasn't much of a shake, but more of a tire slipping kind of feeling...like traction loss. There was no screeching from the tires, so I guess I wasn't turning it too hard. Maybe thats what I perceived was a shaking steering wheel? I must have perceived it wrong since it was at night and I was tired yesterday.

Lug nut torque is critical. Uneven or wrong torque for instance can create the feel of warped rotors.

BMW dealers are generally religious about correct torque, or should be. If you do any work yourself, you need one - here's what I use.


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Old 10-13-2013, 11:28 AM
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No I do not have one of those unfortunately.

The torque wrench link seems to be broken, BTW. I also thought that BMW dealers would be religious about that too, but I'm not so sure...

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No I do not have one of those unfortunately.

The torque wrench link seems to be broken, BTW. I also though that BMW dealers would be religious about that too, but I'm not so sure...

You're quick! Give it another click....
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Old 10-13-2013, 11:46 AM
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Its working now! That torque wrench is quite expensive, but its something that one must have judging from the replies in this thread.
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Its working now! That torque wrench is quite expensive, but its something that one must have judging from the replies in this thread.

It is - I use it for many tasks. For lug nuts only, 3/8" unit, doesn't have to be electronic and no angle past torque needed, quite a bit less.
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It is - I use it for many tasks. For lug nuts only, 3/8" unit, doesn't have to be electronic and no angle past torque needed, quite a bit less.
Oh okay I see. Thanks! I'll have to search around and see what I can find.
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No I do not have one of those unfortunately.

The torque wrench link seems to be broken, BTW. I also thought that BMW dealers would be religious about that too, but I'm not so sure...
They're religious about it until a dealer tech gets distracted and forgets to tighten the lug bolts. Every year in the U.S. tires mysteriously get dislodged from cars and heavy trucks. An essential part of my "kit" is a torque wrench.

This may or may not be your issue, but DSX is correct in recommending that you have this checked right away.
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:55 AM
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Thanks! I'll do that then.
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It's possible that traction control/dynamic stability control could be kicking in and the OP is feeling the braking action. Did you notice a flashing yellow icon on the dash?
Oh man, good point! A bad wheel speed sensor can trigger* the ABS during low speed turns. And the 'feel' would fit what the OP describes as symptoms. The OP will have to double check for a dash light.

*Huge problem on rust belt GM's with cast iron tone rings which crack due to rust. The computer then picks up the miniscule gap as a rotation time increase, therefore a skidding wheel.
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Okay guys so I'm going to be getting it checked soon since I have to take it in anyway for a rear tire with a small tear in the sidewall (came like that when I got it changed...don't know how that happened). But after reading the above post and floydarogers post, should I try it again with DSC/DTC deactivated and see how it feels then? I'm not sure I would want to turn it off when not on a race track though. I mean the shakes aren't really bad...I don't even know if they even are shakes (better safe than sorry though)!

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