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Old 10-14-2013, 01:32 PM
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Auto Dimming Rear View Mirrors

How efficient are your auto dimming door mirrors on your F10? The interior mirror is dimming well and help cutting the glare significantly at night from headlights of the following vehicles (in addition to the 20% tint I have on the rear window). But the side mirrors do not seem to dim at all. Am I missing something? Is there a setting to control them?
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:44 PM
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No setting but they will work when you really need them. My '12's mirrors dimmed more readily though, so I assume they changed something

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Old 10-14-2013, 03:46 PM
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I think the side mirrors dim along with the rearview, they don't have their own individual sensors. Maybe they're doing more than you think. If you cover the front sensor on your rearview mirror at night, it won't dim, then you can test the sideview mirrors. You know how it works, right? There is a sensor on the front and rear of the mirror housing. Light level is compared and the mirror dims accordingly. If the light from the front of the mirror (rear of the car) is brighter than that from the rear (which is actually facing forward), the mirror dims. If you cover the rear mirror sensor in daylight, it will dim since it "thinks" there is more light coming from the rear of the car. BTW, putting the car in reverse disables the dimming function.
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Old 10-14-2013, 03:51 PM
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I tried to use the flash light from my phone on the sensor to increase the intensity of the light coming from behind the car (while the car is in the dark garage), the interior mirror gets dimmer, but the otside mirrors get dim so slightly dimmed that I can barely notice.

But what I notice is that the bright headlights of the cars following me from behind bore into my retina!! (unlike in my previous Infiniti G37 and current MB S550, which immediately dim the mirrors to a level of darkness that it is comfortable for the eyes).
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Old 10-14-2013, 04:10 PM
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I tried to use the flash light from my phone on the sensor to increase the intensity of the light coming from behind the car (while the car is in the dark garage), the interior mirror gets dimmer, but the otside mirrors do not - or maybe they are so slightly dimmed that I can't even notice.

But what I notice is that the bright headlights of the cars following me from behind bore into my retina!! (unlike in my previous Infiniti G37 and current MB S550, which immediately dim the mirrors to a level of darkness that it is comfortable for the eyes).
Hmm. I'll have to test mine again when I'm driving at night. I could swear they dim, because when I drive my wife's car (dimming rearview only), I notice much brighter lights to my sides. But, if you do what I suggested, just cover the front sensor at night while cars are behind you, then notice if the side mirrors are dimming at all when you then uncover the sensor again.
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Old 10-14-2013, 04:58 PM
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Re: Auto Dimming Rear View Mirrors

You can tell if they are dimmed or not by their contrasting frames. The frames don't dim

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You can tell if they are dimmed or not by their contrasting frames. The frames don't dim

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There are no "frames" on BMW mirrors. Now I might realize what I saw on our friend's Lexus RX350. The complete mirror surface dims.
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:49 PM
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No setting but they will work when you really need them. My '12's mirrors dimmed more readily though, so I assume they changed something
Totally agree - 2011 dimmed a LOT, 2013 less so.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:40 PM
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Re: Auto Dimming Rear View Mirrors

I wonder if this is a new type of safety issue, like not dimming 'too much' so that you can see the traffic behind the vehicle?

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Old 10-14-2013, 10:37 PM
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There are no "frames" on BMW mirrors. Now I might realize what I saw on our friend's Lexus RX350. The complete mirror surface dims.
May be not in US specs. Euro spec have always had the frames on the door mirrors. However, I was suspecting my '13 doesn't have the frames. Haven't had it long enough to be certain, delived less than 2 months ago

EDIT: Just checked today and the frames are clearly still there

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Old 10-15-2013, 06:01 AM
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I've also experienced the non-dimming behavior of the exterior mirrors on my 2013 535i. I have noticed they dim occasionally, but not all that often. At least compared to my 2008 X3, on which the exterior mirrors dim all of the time.

The dimming logic must have changed on the 2013's.

I did have the dealer check the dim function on the exterior mirrors and everything checked out okay.

You are not the only one experiencing this.
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I've also experienced the non-dimming behavior of the exterior mirrors on my 2013 535i. I have noticed they dim occasionally, but not all that often. At least compared to my 2008 X3, on which the exterior mirrors dim all of the time.

The dimming logic must have changed on the 2013's.

I did have the dealer check the dim functionn on the exterior mirrors and everything checked out okay.

You are not the only one experiencing this.
Glad to hear. I started to think that I am expecting something unreasonable.

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Agree that the mirrors are not effective enough at reducing glare. At least the old manual interior mirrors had a large enough of an angle change that really did a good job at taming those who like to run with their high-beams all night. There is another thread where a guy was panning the idea of getting the automated rear window shade because he didn't carry passengers in the back seat and didn't give a rats backside about them and sun exposure. However he forgot to think about how effective that sunshade is at reducing bright light coming in the rear, whether from headlights or the sun when low on the horizon. I've had my F10 for 2+ years now and most of the use for that rear shade has been to tame overly bright lights from cars behind, and it's D__n good at it!
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Agree that the mirrors are not effective enough at reducing glare. At least the old manual interior mirrors had a large enough of an angle change that really did a good job at taming those who like to run with their high-beams all night. There is another thread where a guy was panning the idea of getting the automated rear window shade because he didn't carry passengers in the back seat and didn't give a rats backside about them and sun exposure. However he forgot to think about how effective that sunshade is at reducing bright light coming in the rear, whether from headlights or the sun when low on the horizon. I've had my F10 for 2+ years now and most of the use for that rear shade has been to tame overly bright lights from cars behind, and it's D__n good at it!
Personally I have always found the effect of the rear sunshade negative on mirror glare in most of my cars that had auto dimming mirrors, specially the Mercedes. The sunshade does reduce the light coming from behind, but that causes the mirror not to dim and I end up with more glare than with the sunshade down.
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Rear shade cuts the glare form behind, but what about the glare from side mirrors? Any tricks?
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Rear shade cuts the glare form behind, but what about the glare from side mirrors? Any tricks?
Not unless you are willing to fold them
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Can't fold them at speed. But if the problem is a S---- A-- with brights on, sometimes re-aiming them so that they reflect back to them helps. Kinda tough to do, but when done right... Afterwards just hit the memory button and they return to normal. Otherwise no idea for the sides other than to lower them so you don't get it.
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Canadian 2011 BMW528i experience: Rear view mirror seems heaviest at dimming glare from rear. Side mirrors not as heavy dimming but enough for me and I dont get excessive glare. If your rear view mirrors are PROPERLY adjusted you should not/not see the side of your car,on either side. You should see the approaching car in the rearview mirror and then see it as it comes into view in your side mirror. This way is safest and recommended by drivr instructors. It is not designed to check your ear-rings:men's or ladies! This way the side mirrors should not reflect headlights into your visiion and cause you any discomfort. There. I have provided a solution. You may thank me!!
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Four lanes of DC Beltway traffic at 6 AM in the fall and winter months - It doesn't matter where your mirrors are aimed. There is a wall of lights behind you.


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Four lanes of DC Beltway traffic at 6 AM in the fall and winter months - It doesn't matter where your mirrors are aimed. There is a wall of lights behind you.


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Can't fold them at speed. But if the problem is a S---- A-- with brights on, sometimes re-aiming them so that they reflect back to them helps. Kinda tough to do, but when done right... Afterwards just hit the memory button and they return to normal. Otherwise no idea for the sides other than to lower them so you don't get it.
If you can spare the other preset, just set the mirrors' positions away from you in it, though I have to admit that I have never been in a situation where the glare overpowered the dimming in any of the 3 mirrors.
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I hear you but try my method. You will at least 'see' that the glare is reduced. I lived in mid-town Manhatten and drove at night too. I admit that I enjoy the darkness and solitude now of Island driving but, when I go to Vancouver I get the same lights out back as you and I find my settings help, if not totally cure the problem,
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If you can spare the other preset, just set the mirrors' positions away from you in it, though I have to admit that I have never been in a situation where the glare overpowered the dimming in any of the 3 mirrors.
That is a good idea and would be much quicker than the manual adjust each time. The sad thing that I've yet to find - to my satisfaction - any breed of car that auto dims the mirrors to an acceptable extent. Don't know about other areas but around here it seems that the drivers have some really bad habits. Like pacing you in the daytime and purposely trying to maintain a position in the blind spot - minimal as it may be when the mirrors are correctly aligned. Night time it seems they drop back just enough so that they purposely get their lights to reflect into the cabin by the side mirrors. Meh, so I just go find a twisty bit and leave even the baddest American V8 in the dust.
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I hear you but try my method. You will at least 'see' that the glare is reduced. I lived in mid-town Manhatten and drove at night too. I admit that I enjoy the darkness and solitude now of Island driving but, when I go to Vancouver I get the same lights out back as you and I find my settings help, if not totally cure the problem,
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Hey Al,

I totally hear you. I do have my mirrors adjusted as you recommend. 99% of the time glare is not an issue.

The point that I'm trying make is there is a distinct change in the way BMW's exterior dimming mirrors operate on my 2013. On my daily driver, 2008 X3, the outside mirrors are in a constant state of dim when there are any lights behind you. But on the 2013, the outside mirrors are not in constant state of dim as they are on the 2008. It is very apparent when you switch from one car to the other. It is distracting the first 5-10 minutes when you first drive the other car at night until you get accustomed to the change in behavior. After that, it is not really an issue.

Basically, anyone coming from an older BMW, is going to notice the exterior mirrors do not dim in the same manner as older BMWs. They still dim, but not in the same way.
There are similiar posts over on the F25 X3 forum about 2013 X3's drivers experiencing the same thing.

Thanks,
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Honestly the dimming on the 2011 was almost too much with tinted windows. I hadn't thought of the difference until I read this thread, but I "prefer" somewhere in between the 2011 (super-dim / lights show up as dim blueish dots) and 2013 (really can't tell).

Only difference in my cars is that the 2011 had sunshades (rear/side USA option), whereas the 2011 does not...

Also the interior dimming logic is different in the 2013 - the little "dot" to the right of the navi screen is gone (I presume it uses another sensor).

I would have hoped the dimming (of the navi screen) and auto lights would have improved (that is, not come on during sunny days), but neither is the case...
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