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Old 10-14-2013, 06:21 PM
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looking to buy 335i coupe non CPO. mistake?

Looking to buy 335i coupe. Dont think I can afford a 2010 or more CPO vehicle. I am eyeing a 2007 or 2008. I know that since it wont be certified there will be some issues how much will it cost me on average if I get an 2007 335i-5,000, 10,000, I need to know. I am currently looking at a 07 335i for 19k- I am just wondering how much more I will spend for typical repairs for a 335i coupe with 80,000 or more miles since it wont be certified.

Or should I just get a CPO which could cost me 30k.

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Old 10-14-2013, 06:32 PM
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looking to buy 335i coupe non CPO. mistake?

CPO is often just a title meaning BMW checked some stuff out. (I've heard of people selling "CPO" cars that really aren't CPO) What you really want is to buy a car with warranty left.


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Old 10-14-2013, 06:43 PM
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Thanks. Curious without a warranty how much (ball park) would it cost me to fix a Bimmer with its typical problems with 80,000 miles. Trying to know all my options.
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Thanks. Curious without a warranty how much (ball park) would it cost me to fix a Bimmer with its typical problems with 80,000 miles. Trying to know all my options.
It depends completely on the model. But for a car with 80,000 miles, I would set aside at least $2,000 a year.

Plus, it's a 335i, meaning it is twin turboed. At 80,000 miles, those turbos might be crapping out in the next 40,000 miles.


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Looking to buy 335i coupe. Dont think I can afford a 2010 or more CPO vehicle. I am eyeing a 2007 or 2008. I know that since it wont be certified there will be some issues how much will it cost me on average if I get an 2007 335i-5,000, 10,000, I need to know. I am currently looking at a 07 335i for 19k- I am just wondering how much more I will spend for typical repairs for a 335i coupe with 80,000 or more miles since it wont be certified.

Or should I just get a CPO which could cost me 30k.

Thanks
IMO, CPO warranties buy peace of mind

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CPO is often just a title meaning BMW checked some stuff out. (I've heard of people selling "CPO" cars that really aren't CPO) What you really want is to buy a car with warranty left.


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CPO is definitely more than checking it out. For example, if the brakes have less than 80% (IIRC) remaining - replaced. Same with tires, too.

OP- I have heard of non-CPO cars being sold as "CPO" To avoid this just do your homework.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:54 PM
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IMO, CPO warranties buy peace of mind



CPO is definitely more than checking it out. For example, if the brakes have less than 80% (IIRC) remaining - replaced. Same with tires, too.

OP- I have heard of non-CPO cars being sold as "CPO" To avoid this just do your homework.
I bought a CPO car from a BMW dealership and later found out that there was 25% tread left on the tires and I came back for a brake job about a month later.


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Looking to buy 335i coupe. Dont think I can afford a 2010 or more CPO vehicle. I am eyeing a 2007 or 2008. I know that since it wont be certified there will be some issues how much will it cost me on average if I get an 2007 335i-5,000, 10,000, I need to know. I am currently looking at a 07 335i for 19k- I am just wondering how much more I will spend for typical repairs for a 335i coupe with 80,000 or more miles since it wont be certified.

Or should I just get a CPO which could cost me 30k.

Nobody here has the statistical data you want. Nobody here can tell you if a vehicle you may wish to purchase will be good or bad.

Do what prospective owners should do: due diligence. That means pre-purchase inspection, history of maint; warranty and recall work done, at minimum.

Dude....it's up to you. Might be better off with an Accord - BMW can be an expensive way to live the fantasy.
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:24 AM
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I would keep looking. I bought a 2008 335i with 34k miles a few months ago. The previous owner bought it CPO and it still had 14 months left on the warranty. I paid just under $24k. I would like a longer term, but I am driving it hard these 14 months to see if anything will go wrong.
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:50 AM
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I own a 2008 335. At 37k miles, so far the only out of warranty repair that I had is the transmission fluid leak from the mechatronic sleeve in the A/T. A common simple repair that should only cost about $300 to $500 at an indy. I paid $700, but also had the indy replace the trans. pan (the filter is molded into the pan so you can just replace the filter) and the fluid using ZF fluid. I thought about getting the extended warranty, but with a low mileage car, I decided it wasn't worth the $3k plus cost.

There are a number of common problems you will have to deal with--intake port and valve decarbonizing, early failure of the coolant pump and oil filter housing gasket. I'll probably deal with all 3 preventatively at the same time, when I get to 50k miles. BMWs have always had problems with their coolant pumps, so there's nothing new there. The failed oil filter housing gasket is just engineering incompetence, but BMW doesn't stand behind their cars when things go bad outside of a warranty unless they are sued.

BMW has extended warrantees on the high pressure fuel pump (mine replaced under warranty already) 10 years/120 k miles and the turbo waste gates 8 years/82k miles. Turbo rattles are a sign of waste gate problems. I can hear a minor rattle on startup when the RPM goes down after a cold start. I will just keep monitoring it and ask for a warranty repair if it gets worse.

My engine does make a noticeable ticking sound even at operating temperature, but when I complained about it under warranty the tech said it was normal. DI engines do produce a ticking sound. But there is a TSB for purging air in the lifters, which seems to be the problem. Some of this may be due to the way I drive, since I drive short distances and don't normally rev the engine very high. BMW has new lifters and heads designed to deal with this problem, but the cost is too high for me to look at for a simple minor noise problem.

Overall the car has been very reliable for me. Without any question it was the most reliable car when it was under warranty. The mechatronic sleeve repair was an annoyance because it was the kind of low tech problem that should never have happened, like the oil filter housing gasket. But again, this is typical of BMW. It could be worse.

That said, you could buy a used one and have a turbo failure in the first week. There is just no way to tell when a car has been abused. You can look at service records to be sure the service work has been done, but you can't get the driving record of the owner's use of the car.

The good news is that BMW has a lot of sensors and controls that keep the engine from self destructing if it starts to fail or reaches dangerous levels in its operating parameters, e.g. high oil temp or coolant temp. It first goes into limp home mode and then will eventually shut down the engine to avoid catastrophic failure.

If I had to do all over again, I wouldn't buy one. The 328 motor is rock solid. But if you have a need for speed, the 335 is the one to get.
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Looking to buy 335i coupe. Dont think I can afford a 2010 or more CPO vehicle. I am eyeing a 2007 or 2008. I know that since it wont be certified there will be some issues how much will it cost me on average if I get an 2007 335i-5,000, 10,000, I need to know. I am currently looking at a 07 335i for 19k- I am just wondering how much more I will spend for typical repairs for a 335i coupe with 80,000 or more miles since it wont be certified.

Or should I just get a CPO which could cost me 30k.

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No way in hell I buy one of these cars without some warranty. They break head bolts for God's sake!
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Old 10-15-2013, 03:45 PM
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If its your first BMW please buy one with a warranty.

After you come to know your SA's first name, your tech's name, their children's names, you can better estimate what the cost of working without a net will be.
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