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Old 10-23-2013, 12:28 PM
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Plug in puncture repair

Had a puncture repaired with plug in... Took to the shop to remove the plug in with a patch from inside $40

The guy said next time have this plug in replaced with patch within days and don't drive for too long with a plug is as it's not safe at all and can leak anytime
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I've driven on plugged tires for extended periods of time. Yes, a patch is better and safer, but if you use rubber cement with the plug, it will be fine.

You're only concern is if the plug is near the sidewall. If it's toward the center of the tire, you have nothing to worry about.
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Tyre repairs

Punctures in tubeless tyres must only be repaired by fitting a vulcanized plug or patch from the inside of the tyre. In all cases the tyre must be removed from the rim to check for internal damage. Plugs that are fitted from the outside do not provide a permanent repair. Tyre repairs are only allowed in the tread area and are best performed by a reputable tyre dealer
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Tyre repairs

Punctures in tubeless tyres must only be repaired by fitting a vulcanized plug or patch from the inside of the tyre. In all cases the tyre must be removed from the rim to check for internal damage. Plugs that are fitted from the outside do not provide a permanent repair. Tyre repairs are only allowed in the tread area and are best performed by a reputable tyre dealer
Blah Blah , it was standard practice in the recent past, and if its so frigging dangerous wouldnt our wonderful government ban the use of them,,,,, cause we know they are ALWAYS right

well actually purchasing a new tire would be the best solution if you are going to be picky

if you think that patch adds any additional strength you are kidding yourself
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Blah Blah , it was standard practice in the recent past, and if its so frigging dangerous wouldnt our wonderful government ban the use of them,,,,, cause we know they are ALWAYS right

well actually purchasing a new tire would be the best solution if you are going to be picky

if you think that patch adds any additional strength you are kidding yourself
You tell em hondo
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Rode with a plug/patch for aprox 20K miles on the OEM contis. It still had a slow leak, but always checked my tire PSI monthly.
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Blah Blah , it was standard practice in the recent past, and if its so frigging dangerous wouldnt our wonderful government ban the use of them,,,,, cause we know they are ALWAYS right

well actually purchasing a new tire would be the best solution if you are going to be picky

if you think that patch adds any additional strength you are kidding yourself

Sure. We also never had seatbelts, airbags, anti lock brakes.

The plug is not the correct fix. Just because it was done that way in the past doesn't mean it is correct. Also, just because you haven't had an issue doesn't make it safe.

What the tire shop told was completely accurate. I question $40. I had mine repaired (the correct way) for $25.
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get a road hazzard program and get a new tire for 40 bucks
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I faced this dilemma early on with RFTs and my thinking was that a RFT with a plug is still a RFT. I ran that plugged tire for years, no problem.

Today I carry a plug kit and can of pressurized sealant for this times when I need a roadside repair that will safely let me continue a road trip. I have confidence that a plugged tire is safe.
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I faced this dilemma early on with RFTs and my thinking was that a RFT with a plug is still a RFT. I ran that plugged tire for years, no problem.

Today I carry a plug kit and can of pressurized sealant for this times when I need a roadside repair that will safely let me continue a road trip. I have confidence that a plugged tire is safe.
Well a plug in the thread (not too close to sidewall) is safer on a RFT since the plug can fail and the tire will be fine... for a few miles. Over time the plug is not safe. It will let water in and ruin the tire from the inside. The plug is temporary until it can be fixed from the interior.


I carry a plug kit and conti kit in my car at all times.

I don't understand all the fuss over having it repaired the correct way. You put the plug in, and within a day or two you go to a tire shop and have it fixed correctly for around $30. Really is $30 going to break the bank. So many people arguing over plugs when the real fix is not a huge expense.
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Well a plug in the thread (not too close to sidewall) is safer on a RFT since the plug can fail and the tire will be fine... for a few miles. Over time the plug is not safe. It will let water in and ruin the tire from the inside. The plug is temporary until it can be fixed from the interior.


I carry a plug kit and conti kit in my car at all times.

I don't understand all the fuss over having it repaired the correct way. You put the plug in, and within a day or two you go to a tire shop and have it fixed correctly for around $30. Really is $30 going to break the bank. So many people arguing over plugs when the real fix is not a huge expense.
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Blah Blah , it was standard practice in the recent past, and if its so frigging dangerous wouldnt our wonderful government ban the use of them,,,,, cause we know they are ALWAYS right

well actually purchasing a new tire would be the best solution if you are going to be picky

if you think that patch adds any additional strength you are kidding yourself
A standard practice recommended by who? Since there's not one tire manufacturer that recommends it, and the tire retailer's organization (TIA) does not recommend plugs (as well as NHTSA), you're running out of authoritative sources who do recommend the practice...except for the plug manufactures of course.
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I don't understand the "safety" implications.
A plug fails and can be replaced by another plug. If so desired, tire can be replaced - what's more there?
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I don't understand the "safety" implications.
A plug fails and can be replaced by another plug. If so desired, tire can be replaced - what's more there?
The safety implication is that the tire should be removed from the wheel and inspected for internal damage before repairing. The tire's inner-liner can easily 'flake off' during run-flat operation. Internal inspection is not done with plug type repairs.
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If a plug fails, you will have a leak, but not an explosive leak or sidewall failure. I think it's less of an actual safety issue (although hard cornering on a low tire is unsafe) than a reliability and convenience issue. I have no problem with a plug for the short term, but I'd have it patched within a few days. There's no reason to continue driving with a question mark around a tire.
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Plug in is convenience.... and convenience has compromise
Sometimes the compromise isn't so convenient to the shop, installer:

http://www.tirereview.com/Article/85...avoidable.aspx

Installers, shops who don't adhere to widely accepted industry standards don't stand a chance to defend themselves when things go wrong. Small business liability insurance premiums are already very high...and I suspect that most shops prefer to do things the right way.
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If a plug fails, you will have a leak, but not an explosive leak or sidewall failure. I think it's less of an actual safety issue (although hard cornering on a low tire is unsafe) than a reliability and convenience issue. I have no problem with a plug for the short term, but I'd have it patched within a few days. There's no reason to continue driving with a question mark around a tire.
Totally agree with first two sentences! I have ran with plugs in tires until I had to replace them. Before I cut the plug I would make sure it wasn't leaking. As for the sidewall on the runflats, I just had my rears replaced with non run flats and looked at the sidewall from the inside edge after it was off the rim. No wonder they are so stiff. The sidewalls are about 2" thick which would be very difficult to stick any plug through in my opinion. So, if you can plug a RFT, you are probably ok since it would be pretty tough to get through that much reinforced rubber with a hand tool and should be near the normal tread thickness.
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Totally agree with first two sentences! I have ran with plugs in tires until I had to replace them. Before I cut the plug I would make sure it wasn't leaking. As for the sidewall on the runflats, I just had my rears replaced with non run flats and looked at the sidewall from the inside edge after it was off the rim. No wonder they are so stiff. The sidewalls are about 2" thick which would be very difficult to stick any plug through in my opinion. So, if you can plug a RFT, you are probably ok since it would be pretty tough to get through that much reinforced rubber with a hand tool and should be near the normal tread thickness.
2" thick? I don't think so.
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2" thick? I don't think so.
You don't think so?

"[0002] A run-flat tire with a multi-layer sidewall construction (1.75-2.0" thick) obtains an improved set of performances through a more efficient distribution of material thicknesses and material properties throughout the sidewall. This construction enables improved run-flat endurance with the same amount of sidewall material or mass, or alternatively, an acceptable run-flat endurance with significantly less sidewall material or mass..."

Pointandgo??? Hello?

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You don't think so?

"[0002] A run-flat tire with a multi-layer sidewall construction (1.75-2.0" thick) obtains an improved set of performances through a more efficient distribution of material thicknesses and material properties throughout the sidewall. This construction enables improved run-flat endurance with the same amount of sidewall material or mass, or alternatively, an acceptable run-flat endurance with significantly less sidewall material or mass..."

Pointandgo??? Hello?
Car & Driver cut one open:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ecrets-feature

Looks like 1/2"...MAYBE.

Aside from that, do you want to compare your tire engineering credentials to mine?
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I won't disagree with you and your credentials big guy. So greater than 1/2" is not piossible on a run flat? Do you have something you have published that we can refer to with measurements? Thanks for the educational update.
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Correct tire repair article (with pictures) from tire rack.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=77

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