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F07 Gran Turismo (2010 - Current)
The 5 Series Gran Turismo -- now available in the USA as a 535i, 550i and 550i xDrive model.

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Old 10-23-2013, 02:16 PM
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Seriously?? Close to $300 for a replacement (including a cut key) PLUS another $120-140 labor for comfort access programming?? This is beyond frustrating....
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:49 PM
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You may be able to do better on-line for the fob and the key. I do not remember if they gave me the key codes when I bought mine, but you should, as the owner, be able to get it from the dealer. Some locksmiths have the equipment to cut a key with those codes...I'm not sure how easy it is to duplicate the key from an original one. Using the codes is the better way, but it's not like the thing is worn out! I've only used mine once when the battery was low to get the door open - it has no wear on it at all.

I do not know the procedure to program the car to accept it...you may want to research that on say the F10 forum, where there are more cars and people. I do know that there is a limit on how many fobs the computer can remember, but that should not be an issue. Also, if you don't have an original, working one, you cannot program in a new one! In that case, it becomes MUCH more expensive, since the computer needs to be replaced (at the tune of maybe $1,000).
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:52 PM
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I have one of the original fobs. The cost to cut the metal key is only $37 from dealer. I am hesitant to buy a fob over the internet for fear that it cant be programmed for CA or otherwise wont work. I ll have saved maybe $100 and then wont be able to return it.
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:46 AM
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Why is the FOB so fat?

I'd pay $300 for a smaller FOB. I remember an add (Merc??) talking about packing the FOB electronics in a credit card sized case that you could keep in your wallet. That would be cool.

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Old 10-24-2013, 10:56 AM
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There are some BMW dealers that offer discounts over the web...those, as opposed to some independent, unaffiliated vendor should be safe. THen, you have your CC company's help.
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Old 10-26-2013, 02:02 AM
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Don't get the fob on the internetz, it's useless. F-series cars fobs have to be coded to the car from the factory..Unlike older cars where the car could learn the fob. My dealer asked $500 for a replacement key... don't know if that includes comfort access programming...
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Old 10-26-2013, 01:13 PM
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After a little research (makes one dangerous, I know), it appears from the factory, a car with comfort access can only support two FOBs. It can be modified to support additional ones (up to a total of four), but it is a hardware mod to the vehicle. If you don't care about the comfort access, the car can store and remember more FOBs than that two. They can open the doors, start the car, etc., but won't activate the comfort access functions - you have to press buttons on the remote. I found that discussion on the F01 forum, which is the basis of the guts to our F07. Now, whether it is correct, I have no way to verify except by talking to a knowledgeable service rep, which I've not done - you should.
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Old 10-26-2013, 03:19 PM
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I don't feel so bad about having to change the battery in the damn thing every 10 months or so.
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Old 10-26-2013, 05:26 PM
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FWIW, my dealer will change it for free. Mine seem to last a couple of years, though.
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Old 10-27-2013, 01:00 AM
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After a little research (makes one dangerous, I know), it appears from the factory, a car with comfort access can only support two FOBs. It can be modified to support additional ones (up to a total of four), but it is a hardware mod to the vehicle. If you don't care about the comfort access, the car can store and remember more FOBs than that two. They can open the doors, start the car, etc., but won't activate the comfort access functions - you have to press buttons on the remote. I found that discussion on the F01 forum, which is the basis of the guts to our F07. Now, whether it is correct, I have no way to verify except by talking to a knowledgeable service rep, which I've not done - you should.
Thank you for this info. Very helpful. If we just wanted to keep a spare, would it make sense (is it even possible) to just get the cheaper non comfort access key?


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Old 10-27-2013, 06:33 AM
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Earlier this year, I changed the batteries on both my fobs to confirm that a failure of my GT to respond to either one of them was a vehicle problem. The receiver was replaced under warranty and they gave me new fobs as well as they did not like the intermittent nature
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Old 10-27-2013, 11:21 AM
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Earlier this year, I changed the batteries on both my fobs to confirm that a failure of my GT to respond to either one of them was a vehicle problem. The receiver was replaced under warranty and they gave me new fobs as well as they did not like the intermittent nature
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Old 11-23-2013, 06:26 PM
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After a little research (makes one dangerous, I know), it appears from the factory, a car with comfort access can only support two FOBs. It can be modified to support additional ones (up to a total of four), but it is a hardware mod to the vehicle. If you don't care about the comfort access, the car can store and remember more FOBs than that two. They can open the doors, start the car, etc., but won't activate the comfort access functions - you have to press buttons on the remote. I found that discussion on the F01 forum, which is the basis of the guts to our F07. Now, whether it is correct, I have no way to verify except by talking to a knowledgeable service rep, which I've not done - you should.
I actually ordered a spare comfort access fob without knowing that there was a supposed limit of two fobs per car. To my surprise, I took the 3rd key to the car today and it behaves the same way as our two first fobs. keyless entry, I can start the car without removing the fob from my pocket. Not sure what else is necessary to prove that comfort access works on my 3rd fob, but I'm pretty convinced that it does.

The only thing the guy at the dealership had to do when they gave me my 3rd fob was to hold it up against the steering column so that the car could learn this key. I wonder if that's all that's needed for the service guy to "program the comfort access" feature from the fob to the car and dealerships are charging an extra $150-200 for this simple exercise. I guess it does take time away from the service guy to do that, which prevents them from working on other cars...but seems like a simple enough thing that they could just tell the driver to do.

In any case, I seem to have 3 working comfort access fobs for my 2012 F07.
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Old 11-23-2013, 06:33 PM
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Well, so much for believing what others have posted! I'm glad it worked for you. I'm down to one fob...cannot find the other, and had been dreading buying another at the cost. Need to take one more really good look around, then decide. This could just be a running change between model years, or some other change, so your results may not represent that of others. It's hard to get good info some times, even from a dealer.
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Old 11-23-2013, 06:51 PM
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jad, you just know that if you do buy a new fob, within a week or so later, you will find the misplaced one. Life is like that.


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Old 11-25-2013, 08:48 AM
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I have found that you can save hundred of dollars on parts purchases by shopping around. The online store I use is actually a BMW store in Ohio. I have learned to be patient with our beloved GT for all of her idiosyncrasies. If you do not have time to shop then do what you must. Good luck.
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Old 11-25-2013, 09:27 AM
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I actually ordered a spare comfort access fob without knowing that there was a supposed limit of two fobs per car. To my surprise, I took the 3rd key to the car today and it behaves the same way as our two first fobs. keyless entry, I can start the car without removing the fob from my pocket. Not sure what else is necessary to prove that comfort access works on my 3rd fob, but I'm pretty convinced that it does.

The only thing the guy at the dealership had to do when they gave me my 3rd fob was to hold it up against the steering column so that the car could learn this key. I wonder if that's all that's needed for the service guy to "program the comfort access" feature from the fob to the car and dealerships are charging an extra $150-200 for this simple exercise. I guess it does take time away from the service guy to do that, which prevents them from working on other cars...but seems like a simple enough thing that they could just tell the driver to do.

In any case, I seem to have 3 working comfort access fobs for my 2012 F07.
This seems to run contrary to everything I have read on this forum and others....hmmm. Maybe I will buy a replacement fob and try this BEFORE paying the dealer the 1 hour labor charge to program...nothing to lose really....
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Old 11-25-2013, 09:30 AM
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I actually ordered a spare comfort access fob without knowing that there was a supposed limit of two fobs per car. To my surprise, I took the 3rd key to the car today and it behaves the same way as our two first fobs. keyless entry, I can start the car without removing the fob from my pocket. Not sure what else is necessary to prove that comfort access works on my 3rd fob, but I'm pretty convinced that it does.

The only thing the guy at the dealership had to do when they gave me my 3rd fob was to hold it up against the steering column so that the car could learn this key. I wonder if that's all that's needed for the service guy to "program the comfort access" feature from the fob to the car and dealerships are charging an extra $150-200 for this simple exercise. I guess it does take time away from the service guy to do that, which prevents them from working on other cars...but seems like a simple enough thing that they could just tell the driver to do.

In any case, I seem to have 3 working comfort access fobs for my 2012 F07.
I think for CA to be "active" the new key needs to reset the seat/mirror and climate controls back to setting "1" or "2".....with only 2 memory settings, you can technically only have 2 FOBS....I m curious if it is a mirror to fob 1 or fob 2...or neither.....perhaps it just leaves the last settings in the car.....
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:48 AM
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rogueshot is correct. The car will only store up to 2 memory settings. After using the 3rd key to confirm that comfort access will work with my third (spare) key, and it wasn't my first or my wife's key that was unlocking and allowing the car to start, I went back to try using my 1st key...the memory settings: seat position, nav settings, shortcut buttons all went back to a factory default. Although the car recognized the key to allow me to enter the car and start the car, any settings unique to what I had setup were gone. So it seems, through anecdotal evidence, that the car can remember at least 3 keys...but it will only store a profile for the last two keys used. I think this is fine, since I will go back to using my original key and put away the 3rd key for it's main purpose...the spare.
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:17 PM
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Seriously?? Close to $300 for a replacement (including a cut key) PLUS another $120-140 labor for comfort access programming?? This is beyond frustrating....
I know this is not going to be much help. But when I did a BMW vin check, using my list 7 numbers, I saw a radio frequency code. Then call a lock smith with the information. Here is the link I used, which was provided by another forum member.
http://www.bmwarchive.org/

Good Luck and I do hope this will be of help to you....
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:10 AM
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I know this is not going to be much help. But when I did a BMW vin check, using my list 7 numbers, I saw a radio frequency code. Then call a lock smith with the information. Here is the link I used, which was provided by another forum member.
http://www.bmwarchive.org/

Good Luck and I do hope this will be of help to you....
Did you try this? Or are you just speculating? I am not inclined to pick up a used remote for upwards of $200 only to find out it is useless. Based on all I have read there is little choice but to order a new remote from BMW. If you want CA, you have to pay the programming labor charge. I suspect based on the post above the new remote could be minimally "coded" as noted in the post above without paying for CA programming....given that I need a 2d remote (not a spare 3rd), I m going to bite the bullet and do it right....seems silly to be shortsighted over a couple hundred bucks....my wife and I each want our own CA key....
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Old 01-29-2014, 04:13 PM
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ANY updates on this. I just purchased a replacement used FOB from ebay. I held it to the steering column and tried to program it by pressing the start button with the other key in the car. It did not work. I am not sure if the remote has to be a virgin remote to become programmed by this method. I guess I can ask the dealer to program it. I was hoping it would be easy to reprogram it, guess not. Anyone else have better luck?
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Old 01-29-2014, 04:41 PM
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I purchased a new fob from dealer for about $275 with BMW CCA DISCOUNT. I held it to the steering column and it works fine except that I don't have CA features active with that remote. I m thinking next service visit that I will complain about my remotes CA features are not working correctly and see if they reprogram them under warranty.... I really don't want to pay $125 to program the new remote....ridiculous!
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Old 01-29-2014, 05:35 PM
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I searched about this on bimmerfest and found the following on this thread:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=711628

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I just purchased a 2011 CPO X3. Although the dealer knew one of the two key fobs was missing for almost four weeks before I closed on the car, they did nothing. Nevertheless, they finally sent me a new key fob (I live 250 miles from the dealer).

There was a lot of confusion about how to activate / program the new key fob. The dealership I bought the car from had no clue at all (BMW of Morristown, NJ) and offered no help - the salesman lost all apparent interest after I bought the car. I called a number of other BMW dealers and received a lot of conflicting advice ranging from make an appointment and we charge 1/2 to one hour of labor, to, you can easily do it yourself but we don't know how. After finally receiving the new key fob, I called the local BMW dealer (Burdick - Syracuse, NY) to make an appointment. Instead of just making an appointment, the service advisor put me on hold and went to some effort to find out if an appointment was really needed. This is what the she accurately told me.

Simply take the new key fob and hold it against the marked spot on the right side of the steering column and then start the car (obviously a working key fob is needed). That's all it took to activate the new fob. In fact, the Nav screen immediately popped up with a request to name the profile associated with the new key fob.

Since there was so much confusion I thought I would at least post something that is searchable in case anyone else needs to do this in the future.
I picked up my 2013 X3 this month at Tenafly BMW and was also Missing a Key. They ordered it and when I came in even the SALESMAN knew that. Those were the exact instructions he gave me. I have CA so for good measure I opened the car via the handle. Then walked the current key a reasonable distance away from the car. Then did exactly what you mentioned above, hold the key up against the steering column and turned the car on then off. And to test it I got out and locked and unlocked the car. Amazes me that some dealerships don't train their people.
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So it seems it can be done as long as the FOB is "virgin", actually it appears the FOB must be programmed to match the VIN more so than being virgin.
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Old 01-29-2014, 05:46 PM
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I wonder if the dealer will reprogram a used remote? I was hoping I could luck out and reprogram a used one myself, guess it sounded too good to be true
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