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Old 10-23-2013, 08:30 PM
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This is my first winter with my new used 2011 328ix.
Quebec Canada lawmakers demand winter tires as of mid- December.
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:38 AM
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Do you expect to be driving in significant snow or ice before the roads get treated? If so, Bridgestone Blizzak WS-70 tires have been great on my 335i xDrive. Not run-flat, so you may want to carry one of your normal tires as a spare or be prepared to use a sealant/compressor or to wait for a tow.
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:54 AM
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This is my first winter with my new used 2011 328ix.
Quebec Canada lawmakers demand winter tires as of mid- December.
What type or company do you suggest?
Thanks!
I wish Vermont and NH had the same law. The biggest problem here is that about 75% have winter tires and the rest have All seasons. If everyone had winters we would all be safer during winter storms.

I like Blizzak's as well. I never tried them but Nokian Hakkapelitta are supposed to be very good. They also come in run flat and are true winter tires. I think I am going to try those next.

Putting on my winters this weekend..
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Old 10-24-2013, 03:54 AM
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hey why dont you get your law makers to make it Manditory, Like our wonderful health care law of face a fine of 10,000 dollars
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Old 10-24-2013, 04:03 AM
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hey why dont you get your law makers to make it Manditory, Like our wonderful health care law of face a fine of 10,000 dollars
My lawmakers?? I think you mean, our lawmakers.

Good idea. There should be a fine. Almost like there is a fine for driving around on bald tires, bad brake lights, no car inspections.....right? Why is that? Maybe because most people are idiotic and wouldn't change tires until well past being a hazard on the road.

Same for health care by the way. If people are dumb enough to go through life without health care let them. Funny You end up paying for them anyway when they eventually end up in the ER.

I know, I know, people should just get a job.. pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Not to say I agree with people abusing the system and that should be stopped.
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Old 10-24-2013, 05:35 AM
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This is my first winter with my new used 2011 328ix.
Quebec Canada lawmakers demand winter tires as of mid- December.
What type or company do you suggest?
Thanks!
There have been dozens of threads over the years discussing snow tires. Rather than search them all just go to TireRack.com and read their reviews. They don't sell Hakkas and therefore don't review them, but you can put them right up there with the very best.
To comply with the law you will need to buy tires with the snowflake symbol molded into the sidewall. Those are real winter tires.
Good to know that when I get passed at 80 mph on a snow packed two lane rural road in Ouest Bomphoque, Quebec by a Jimmy hauling 2 SkiDoos and a bobhouse, that the guy at least has snow tires.

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Old 10-24-2013, 05:49 AM
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hey why dont you get your law makers to make it Manditory, Like our wonderful health care law of face a fine of 10,000 dollars

Hold up, Hondo....that program might work if we could sign up over the Net. Only Government is big enough to enable that - yes. Canada's Socialists can surely do it better than Obamacare. BAD Obamacare, BAD.

With a bump in sales tax to, say, 15%, and additional payroll tax, Government employees will choose your tires for you! Think on it. No more doubt....no uncertainty.....Socialists will think for you so that you needn't think at all!

Then maybe they'll 'get it' in Washington.

Obama gonna buy my tires!
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Old 10-24-2013, 05:59 AM
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Hold up, Hondo....that program might work if we could sign up over the Net. Only Government is big enough to enable that - yes. Canada's Socialists can surely do it better than Obamacare. BAD Obamacare, BAD.

With a bump in sales tax to, say, 15%, and additional payroll tax, Government employees will choose your tires for you! Think on it. No more doubt....no uncertainty.....Socialists will think for you so that you needn't think at all!

Then maybe they'll 'get it' in Washington.

Obama gonna buy my tires!
Predictable. As usual, over reactions, wide sweeping generalizations, huge exaggerations. We have healthcare for all, winter tires required and we are now socialists. We already require minimum tire depths... changing soon. Are we already socialists?

Why must one have all or nothing. The answer lies somewhere in the middle. Compromise. Biggest issue today is lack of compromise and understanding. Why so afraid of change!!
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:46 AM
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This is my first winter with my new used 2011 328ix.
Quebec Canada lawmakers demand winter tires as of mid- December.
What type or company do you suggest?
Thanks!
I have Bridgestone LM25 RFTs on my RWD 328 wagon. We don't get much snow here in the Mid-Atlantic, so they get me through cold weather and the odd dusting. With AWD, you might be able to get by with them. The nice thing is, as a performance snow, they don't sacrifice too much handling in dry weather. I've run them for years on previous BMWs.

Looks like they are replaced by the LM-32: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....port%20Package

I might also consider these because I've been happy with Michelins as well, as their handling is generally sharper all around: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....port%20Package

If you want maximum heavy snow handling, a true winter tire is best. Like the WS-70. Just don't think it's available in an RFT...
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Old 10-24-2013, 01:08 PM
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hey why dont you get your law makers to make it Manditory, Like our wonderful health care law of face a fine of 10,000 dollars
What fine of $10,000 dollars? I don't even live in the states, but isn't the penalty a few hundred dollars?
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What fine of $10,000 dollars? I don't even live in the states, but isn't the penalty a few hundred dollars?
The greater of $95 per person (family maximum $285) or 1% of income at the start, increasing to the greater of $695 per person (family maximum $2085) or 2.5% of income by 2016.

Looking at 2016 and assuming the median US household income of $50,000 (2011), the family maximum hit on a median income family will be about 4.2% of gross, with a higher percentage of net takehome.

Doesn't this discussion belong over in the OT thread?
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Winter tires that carry the 'Mountain snowflake' icon on the sidwall are certified to have passed a mandated snow traction test and meet certain min. traction requirements. All season tires generally do not have the icon although they are marked 'M+S'...there are no mandated snow traction requirements for M+S a/s tires.
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:46 PM
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:59 PM
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I enjoyed reading the exchanges!
Weather in Quebec demands a true winter tire to deal with our extremes. This is my first time dealing with the run-flat tires . I'll research your suggestions.
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Old 10-25-2013, 07:02 AM
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I enjoyed reading the exchanges!
Weather in Quebec demands a true winter tire to deal with our extremes. This is my first time dealing with the run-flat tires . I'll research your suggestions.
Here in NH when things really howl with an icy wind we call it "The Montreal Express". Feel free to keep it home this winter.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:28 AM
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Here in NH when things really howl with an icy wind we call it "The Montreal Express". Feel free to keep it home this winter.
I agree. Keep it out of Vermont as well!!

Driving to work this morning during a brief hail event reminds me I shouldn't be on my summer tires. They are just so much more enjoyable though.

This Saturday I pull out the jack and the winters go on. More body roll, huge resistance to lane changes under power, and much more activity from my blinking DSC light.
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There have been a couple of good opinions on tires when it came to Blizzaks and and some others, and I will add that I had good luck last year running Falkens on my Z4. They were fairly inexpensive when compared to others too.
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I agree. Keep it out of Vermont as well!!

Driving to work this morning during a brief hail event reminds me I shouldn't be on my summer tires. They are just so much more enjoyable though.

This Saturday I pull out the jack and the winters go on. More body roll, huge resistance to lane changes under power, and much more activity from my blinking DSC light.
Ditto, but when the rubber has to meet the road there is no substitute. Because then we'd be complaining about fishtailing, no hill traction, sliding sideways, off road excursions and all kinds of nasty winter events.
That said, there are some awesome winter performance tires which will get you 90% of summer performance. Expect to pay for the privilege...and don't expect them to last too long.
Can't we stop the Montreal Express at the border? Where is Homeland Security when you really need them?
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This is my first winter with my new used 2011 328ix.
Quebec Canada lawmakers demand winter tires as of mid- December.
What type or company do you suggest?
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I've had experience with 4 different types of winter tires on my bimmers, all of them performance oriented.

Blizzak LM-22 and LM-60(current)
Dunlop Winter Sport 3D
Pirelli Sottozero

The Pirelli's offered the nicest steering feel but the weakest snow traction, they were good in slush but not on packed snow.

Blizzak LM-22 (run flat), didn't like these at all. I thought the snow traction was poor and the ride too harsh. Didn't feel very sporty either.

Blizzak LM-60 is a great performance winter. It has very good snow and ice traction, it's good in slush and great in the deep stuff. The tire's dry road handling also impressed me, but it wasn't quite as good as the Dunlop.

Dunlop is a great all rounder, good snow traction, not quite as good as the Blizzak but the dry road handling is close to that of a summer tire(ok not quite, but it's quite impressive for a winter tire)

My next set will likely be the LM60's again, but if the Dunlop Winter Sport is priced right I wouldn't object to those either.
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The ContiWinterContact TS830/850 is a good set, as are the Dunlop Wintersport 4D. Both have consisitenly scored well in ADAC and Auto-Bild tests.

http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests...cePageId=31821
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Thanks to you all for the advice and good humour.
Your first-hand experience will help in my decision making.
Weather knows no borders, sorry to say. Be warm. Drive safely!
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Japanese companies such as Bridgestone have excelled in "studless" snow tire technology; there is a reason behind it.

Years ago, Japan exported many 'studdable' snow tires to the U.S. but that stopped very suddenly and left many of their U.S. tire dealers in a "lurch." Studdable snow tires were very profitable.

In Japan, the "socially responsible" 'Yakuza' (gangsters) had rallied against studdable snow tires because they created so much dust...a health hazard where many Japanese homes were adjacent to streets.

The Yakuza threatened to disrupt Japanese tire company stockholder meetings unless studdable tires were discontinued. The Yakuza won (as usual).

Companies such as Bridgestone had to come up with a 'studless' Winter tire with excellent snow traction characteristics...quickly...and they did.

You can thank the Yakuza for your Blizzaks.
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Old 10-26-2013, 12:09 AM
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This is my first winter with my new used 2011 328ix.
Quebec Canada lawmakers demand winter tires as of mid- December.
What type or company do you suggest?
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I've been using Goodyear Eagle Ultra Grip GW3 run flat tires in Toronto for a few years now, no complaints.
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In Quebec? Definitely Blizzak WS-70 FTW!


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Winter tires required by law in Quebec

More, Michelin X-ice, Pirelli Ice control do a really good job here too. The Pirellis have hard sidewalls and are recommended for german cars (better handling). They grips very well on ice. To compare, X-ice provide a very quiet ride (same as summer tires) and for the rest, it's almost the same except for sidewalls that are a bit softer. More expensive a little.


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