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Old 10-24-2013, 06:56 PM
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Worth buying a used M3 e92?

Is it worth buying a used M3 these days?

I've seen many M3's going for around 40 grand with low mileage, and was wondering if it was worth it?

Would it be smarter to buyer a low mileage 335 for about 40 grand, or an m3 for similar price?

Only difference would be that the 335 would be CPO and the m3 being a few years older

I've done a lot of research and it doesn't seem that CPO is that great. It's more of an assurance for very minor coverage(s).

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Old 10-24-2013, 07:11 PM
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also hows this car? its a 2012 335IS and it has only 1k mileage for 39 grand
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:21 PM
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Is it worth buying a used M3 these days?

I've seen many M3's going for around 40 grand with low mileage, and was wondering if it was worth it?

Would it be smarter to buyer a low mileage 335 for about 40 grand, or an m3 for similar price?

Only difference would be that the 335 would be CPO and the m3 being a few years older

I've done a lot of research and it doesn't seem that CPO is that great. It's more of an assurance for very minor coverage(s).

Thanks in advance

It was worth buying in those days. These days too.

Have to assume your buying decision will be based on detailed pre-purchase inspection/eval. If good, you will score a E9x with vastly superior performance suspension and, if high rpm screamer, excellent naturally aspirated engine.

More a personal pleasure than daily driver, well worth having. No other 3 measures up, at all. Unless very significantly modded, which it can be, w/suspension, drivetrain, and engine mods.

It's fast enough for ya. But if you want more GO....much more....you're looking for a N54 335i.

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Old 10-24-2013, 07:44 PM
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The only reason im scared of buying the m3 is the maintenance fee's. I feel that it would be double the amount of a 335.

If it's not much to ask, are 335xi coupe for around $35,000 with (20k) a good deal? Of course, it has the usual setup of navi, cold weather, etc.

how's this for an example
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...&&aff=national
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http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1

And if I am not mistaken, arn't all 3 series starting from 2012 supposed to have the new transmission shifts? The 1 that has the button on the side to change transmission?

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If it's worth it?? Now that's a comical question maybe a top 5
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:26 PM
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can't say its a comical question, without an explanation!
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can't say its a comical question, without an explanation!
Read your question a couple of times you'll find the humor in it
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:55 PM
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I must apologize for not being detailed enough with my current situation. I must add that I am not rich by any means, and make around $50,000 a year (after taxes). I am thinking of buying the car outright, or possibly financing (maybe 10 grand down) to increase my auto credit.
What I meant by is it worth purchasing a used M3 is whether my a$$ will suffer with the maintenance fee's, etc.. Or for that amount of money is there a much better purchase.

If that is not what you meant, I have no idea Chop. Please explain.

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I must apologize for not being detailed enough with my current situation. I must add that I am not rich by any means, and make around $50,000 a year (after taxes). I am thinking of buying the car outright, or possibly financing (maybe 10 grand down) to increase my auto credit.
What I meant by is it worth purchasing a used M3 is whether my a$$ will suffer with the maintenance fee's, etc.. Or for that amount of money is there a much better purchase.

If that is not what you meant, I have no idea Chop. Please explain.
Hey Rise no offense intended here....As far as maintaining any European car it can get costly that includes "All" Bimmers. @ least with an M3 you wont have to worry about turbo issues and the Car is built like a rock so as far as being a worthy investment it's a very solid choice but if on a budget...Honestly buy a Lexus.
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If you do it, you'll absolutely love it, but you may live in fear of any potential upcoming costs, and when they come, you'll hate parting with your money. That is what I'd be like anyway.

The 335 will give you very good performance (the same torque as the M3, but less power), and you won't feel so sick about it. There's something special about the M3, but if it's older and higher miles that is also going to be more of an issue compared to the 335 for maintenance.
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:29 AM
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just purchase and extended warranty on any used BMW, if something major happens then you will be covered if not it will be expensive to repair
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:36 AM
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I must apologize for not being detailed enough with my current situation. I must add that I am not rich by any means, and make around $50,000 a year (after taxes). I am thinking of buying the car outright, or possibly financing (maybe 10 grand down) to increase my auto credit.
What I meant by is it worth purchasing a used M3 is whether my a$$ will suffer with the maintenance fee's, etc.. Or for that amount of money is there a much better purchase.

If that is not what you meant, I have no idea Chop. Please explain.
IMO $50K / year is insufficient to own an M class car. BMWs are already costly to maintain / repair compared to say Honda or Toyota. The M vehicles even more so. The M car is a great car...no doubt about it. But being "car poor" is worse than driving a "lesser" 335 series car. IMO the 335 is a great balance between sportiness and practicality. Find one with the M package and you'll have something a little more unique. Or you can buy aftermarket if you're looking to differentiate yourself (and you can do this over time as your finance allow).
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In the past I had longed for the M3, but a normally aspirated engine at my altitude is not nearly as useful as a turbo charged engine. One thing to keep in mind is that you have to drive the M3 at fairly high rpm to get any torque out of it. In your normal driving are you going to be able to drive it in a manner that gets any of this performance out of the car? In the end my decision was to go with the 335is because of the low end torque.
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...and make sure to consider this. If it's an older M3, higher mileage etc, there's not a dealer in the country who will warranty it unless you pay through the nose, and sometimes not even then, you'll have to go through a third party. So just be aware that if you chose the M3, you're probably going to drive it w/o any type of warranty, the 335 gives you some opotions.
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Well what do you want from the car OP? honestly if you're on a budget and don't have a lot of money neither are good. The M3 just shouldn't be a daily, unless your that class of uber wealth where your play car are a ferrari. The 335i is a good daily but unless its CPO maintenance will probably do a number on your wallet. You have to have the car walnut shell blasted every 40K miles. That's no easy/cheap feat. good luck OP
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It's no fun owning a car that you worry about the cost of maintaining it properly. IMO, the OP should look at leasing something like a new M235i or trying to find a clean 335is with low miles. The BMW Platinum extended warranty on my E93 335is was the same cost as a 335i convertible, which was nearly one half the cost for the same coverage on our E90 M3.

In the many articles that I've read about M3 maintenance however, the E Series M3 has proven to be the least problematic as compared to any 3 Series. I found that interesting as many M3 owners no doubt drive on the spirited side.
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Concur our membership in our chapter of BMWCCA has a number of M3 drivers and they all have few if any issue.
OP will tell you what the a BMW tech I talked to that won BMW Tech of the year told me about the M3. You can drive the piss out of it all day long and it will seldom break. Now if you abuse it they will surely break but driven as meant to be driven they will not be anymore expensive than a normally aspirated 3 with the exception of more expensive oil changes.

I have owned a number of M3s and for a long time. My experience was that my M's were the most reliable car I owned and yes it was a DD for 10 years...

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I agree, no reason why an M3 couldn't be a daily driver at all.

The torque might not peak as soon as it does in the 335, but it's hardly a slouch at the low end. It's got 280n-m as low as 1500RPM. So yes the 335 has 400n-m by that point, but it's got all the torque you really need for daily driving and quick acceleration, and you only need to drop down a gear and you are straight at peak torque for beating all the other cars out there.
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...and make sure to consider this. If it's an older M3, higher mileage etc, there's not a dealer in the country who will warranty it unless you pay through the nose, and sometimes not even then, you'll have to go through a third party. So just be aware that if you chose the M3, you're probably going to drive it w/o any type of warranty, the 335 gives you some opotions.
In fact one of the local dealers here will not CPO any M car, period. I was looking at an extremely low mileage (less than 5K) M3 that was less than a year old and asked them if they would CPO it and was told they never CPO an M car. It is too expensive for them to bring it up to standards and the cost of CPO added so much cost that it drove buyers away. I said how much can it cost to bring a few month old car with so few miles "up to standard" and I'll pay the CPO cost. And they politely said "no."
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IMO $50K / year is insufficient to own an M class car. BMWs are already costly to maintain / repair compared to say Honda or Toyota. The M vehicles even more so. The M car is a great car...no doubt about it. But being "car poor" is worse than driving a "lesser" 335 series car. IMO the 335 is a great balance between sportiness and practicality. Find one with the M package and you'll have something a little more unique. Or you can buy aftermarket if you're looking to differentiate yourself (and you can do this over time as your finance allow).
I do agree with you on this, sunny. The M3, overall, has been extremely reliable. HOwever, many M3 owners go above and beyond the BMW "required" maintenance. Things like fluid changes at half the BMW interval, can be expensive, especially the DCT transmission fluid, the diff fluid ($150 for just the gear oil), spark plugs at 37k (most do at half that) are $150 just for the plugs.

As for suspension, the E90 overall has been quite durable, and the M3 the same, with or without EDC.

The OP's income isn't sufficient to be able to maintain the vehicle to high standards IMO, not to mention the fuel economy, which most M3 drivers shrug off as pleasure cost.
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In fact one of the local dealers here will not CPO any M car, period. I was looking at an extremely low mileage (less than 5K) M3 that was less than a year old and asked them if they would CPO it and was told they never CPO an M car. It is too expensive for them to bring it up to standards and the cost of CPO added so much cost that it drove buyers away. I said how much can it cost to bring a few month old car with so few miles "up to standard" and I'll pay the CPO cost. And they politely said "no."
Perhaps this is a case of "If you have to ask you can't afford it".
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Wow.. these have been awesome responses. I appreciate the feedback very much. Thank you.

It seems that I will be looking at the 335xi coupe.

I see a lot going for around 35-40 grand, used and cpo, with under 20k mileage. Around year 2011-2012. I will post a few and maybe you guys are willing to take a look at it?

Once again, thank you so much!

edit: Here are 3 cars that I really liked. How are they? I was able to bring about $500 down for all 3 of them.

2011 335IS 21k mileage for about $39,000
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1

2012 335IS 1k milage for about $38,000
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1

2012 335 2k milage for about $34,000
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail...nal&listType=1


How would you rank from best offer to worst? Are any of them actually a decent deal?

Thanks again guys

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Wow.. these have been awesome responses. I appreciate the feedback very much. Thank you.

It seems that I will be looking at the 335xi coupe.

I see a lot going for around 35-40 grand, used and cpo, with under 20k mileage. Around year 2011-2012. I will post a few and maybe you guys are willing to take a look at it?

Once again, thank you so much!

edit: Here are 3 cars that I really liked. How are they? I was able to bring about $500 down for all 3 of them.

2011 335IS 21k mileage for about $39,000

2012 335IS 1k milage for about $38,000

2012 335 2k milage for about $34,000

How would you rank from best offer to worst? Are any of them actually a decent deal?

Thanks again guys
They all look fairly comporable though the last one is not the "is" model and it also has AWD. Is AWD something you're OK with? The latter two are almost brand new cars with either one having 2K miles or less on the clock. Which makes me wonder why the first one, being a year older and considerably more mileage is the highest priced. It does appear to have almost every option.

I do like the color combination of the first one. White is a great color and much easier to keep looking nice compared to black. Perhaps you can give us your preferences for color combinations, "is" versus non-"is", must have options, nice to have options, couldn't care less about options, etc.
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