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I saw the commercial, I like some of the features, even the air freshener, but it's still an old man's car. Although people say that about the F01 too.
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The air fresher is a joke, the rest of the interior looks like a level above this class - from the pictures anyways. When I see those press cars I wonder if they put the designo interior knowing the press will post pictures on the web.


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but it's still an old man's car.
Isn't that why they have the C class?
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Hate the dash. Who does that? Just hidious. Reminds me of the old school Buicks with the front bench seats. They can use some styling cues before they put out such garbage for a dash cluster.
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I agree with the cluster; it looks awful and has no character and looks like two flat panels glued together. It's a shame because rest of the interior looks pretty nice.
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I agree with the cluster; it looks awful and has no character and looks like two flat panels glued together. It's a shame because rest of the interior looks pretty nice.
Totally. You think someone at MBZ designio would see that, right? It's so wrong, it's reason enough to not buy the car. I saw it when it came out last week, and was impressed with it, and wondering how BMW will relift the 7 styling to keep it competitive in that class. Then I got inside and just about threw up in my mouth looking at the dash.

Like a hot model that's a 10, and then she lifts up her shirt, and she's got three t1t$, like in the sci-fi flick time-cop.

It just goes to show you, the folks at MBZ lack the talent to make an interior to match the rest of the car.
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Like it or not, I guarantee you every car in the world will follow suit in the next 10 years and copy that interior over and over. Mercedes sets a ton of trends in the automotive industry.

And as bad as you think Mercedes' implementation looks, Telsa's "I stuck a 17" TV in my car" look is far more offensive. They didn't even bother trying to make it nicely integrated. MBZ at least put some effort into it.
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Mercedes already has 30,000 orders for the S Class so looks like the new S Class is already a hit.
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Like it or not, I guarantee you every car in the world will follow suit in the next 10 years and copy that interior over and over. Mercedes sets a ton of trends in the automotive industry.

And as bad as you think Mercedes' implementation looks, Telsa's "I stuck a 17" TV in my car" look is far more offensive. They didn't even bother trying to make it nicely integrated. MBZ at least put some effort into it.
Yeah, Tesla takes the crown for wtf were you smoking with this interior. The Benz takes second place.

I bet you BMW will get it right and not do what both Tesla and MBZ did.
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Mercedes already has 30,000 orders for the S Class so looks like the new S Class is already a hit.
Yeah, and BMW sold the most amount of e65 7's with the Bangle butt when that came out. There is a demand. They could have stuck a bulls horns on the hood as a standard feature and people would still buy the S class. Most people buying cars aren't as unforgiving as the picky buyers, like me, who would end up not buying something because the dash, which I have to look at every day is a complete cluster ckuf.

So 30k pre orders means nothing. If the design of the dash would have been better, or perfect, that number would still be the same. I think it's the damage their reputation will receive until they fix it. Just like the years and years of critics pointing out the ugly rear and the droopy headlights of the e65 from 2002 to 2006 when they finally changed the headlights and tail lights of the e65.

Like I said earlier, the New S class is like a hot Victorias Secret model with 3 tatas bolted on. Unless you're into that, then it's a bad science experiment gone really wrong. From girls gone wild, to cars gone wrong.
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Hate the dash. Who does that? Just hidious. Reminds me of the old school Buicks with the front bench seats. They can use some styling cues before they put out such garbage for a dash cluster.
Can you share an example? I understand what you're saying. But doesn't it just look like 2 modern TVs joined together? Remember, that they used the full rectangular area to maximize screen real estate. Say the engineering brief is to create surrounds for 2 large rectangles, what could they have done instead? It's Form follows Function. I'm also wondering if it's one of those things that look better in person than in pictures, meaning it would fit better when taking in the interior as a whole.

I'm sure some other manufacturer will come out with something better, but I'm scratching my head to find someone else who has been better able to incorporate a rectangular display (Jaguar XJ?). It's better than what BMW does with their Nav displays (also large rectangles) on the 3 series for example. http://www.google.com/search?q=bmw+3...F%3B996%3B1500
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Can you share an example? I understand what you're saying. But doesn't it just look like 2 modern TVs joined together? Remember, that they used the full rectangular area to maximize screen real estate. Say the engineering brief is to create surrounds for 2 large rectangles, what could they have done instead? It's Form follows Function. I'm also wondering if it's one of those things that look better in person than in pictures, meaning it would fit better when taking in the interior as a whole.

I'm sure some other manufacturer will come out with something better, but I'm scratching my head to find someone else who has been better able to incorporate a rectangular display (Jaguar XJ?). It's better than what BMW does with their Nav displays (also large rectangles) on the 3 series for example. http://www.google.com/search?q=bmw+3...F%3B996%3B1500
Just google futuristic dashboard design. https://www.google.com/search?q=futu...w=1024&bih=672

Look, slapping two rectangle screens is so 1983 it behooves the mind why MBZ would miss something that freaking big! We live in an age where LCD screens can literally be designed to form and shape, and be transparent and bendable like some of the screens found in Sony and Samsung products.

It's like my GL550. The interior and the cluster is so lame and old school, that they finally made the 2013 models with Color LCD where it was normally monochrome pixelized clusters.

It's as if the interior engineers don't do the same quality of work as the engineers who work on the heart of the design (engine, trans, suspension, drive and handling etc.). They don't bother to bring to life the same interior attributes as the engineers who do working on the other parts of the car they are so well known for.

I saw it in person, and it is worse than in the picture. I remember the first time I saw it on my iPad looking at some magazine, I thought "that cannot be right". Well, it just shows that at the end of the day, they are inferior to BMW and Audi, even Lexus when it comes to design, form, functionality, and user interface.

It's ugly, it's wrong, and I would fire everyone who ok'd the car to production that worked on that part of the design. It's so obvious.

I bet you anything that it will change by next year. How could you look at this and think it's anything but ugly, bad, and wrong? http://backfires.caranddriver.com/fo...d-in-spy-photo

It's like something you'd find on the dash of a tour bus.
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This look familiar? http://www.flickriver.com/photos/coconv/3916053226/
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Just google futuristic dashboard design. https://www.google.com/search?q=futu...w=1024&bih=672
Which one of these is 2 large rectangles? How many of these are actually functioning? Remember, it's 2 large rectangles - not oval, ovoid or some other shapes. Just look at the first picture - the screen is curved. I don't think there is current production technology in any commercial product for screens that is not rectangular and flat in shape.
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Which one of these is 2 large rectangles? How many of these are actually functioning? Remember, it's 2 large rectangles - not oval, ovoid or some other shapes. Just look at the first screen - it's curved. I don't think there is current production technology in any commercial product for screens that is not rectangular and flat in shape.
That's not the point Chris. I think you are misunderstanding. I'm saying MBZ slapped together two rectangle screens to make the dash. What they should have done is to design the dash cluster in one or maybe three non rectangular faces.

Come on man, you can't see how it looks like crap, considering the car it's going into?

The examples I provided are just some ideas of how they could have gone about making it a production reality and being the first to do that.
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What they should have done is to design the dash cluster in one or maybe three non rectangular faces.
But then you have to give up all the features of the display dash. And I think they were not willing to do that. I'm not sure how good that is, and if it's worth that design compromise, but I'm sure that's the reason.
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But then you have to give up all the features of the display dash. And I think they were not willing to do that. I'm not sure how good that is, and if it's worth that design compromise, but I'm sure that's the reason.
Whatever the reason, it's no excuse. They have been doing this long enough to know better.

It's like a beautifully crafted culinary plate with a side of dog $h1t for your appetizer. WHO DOES THAT?! Oh! Yes, MBZ does. As they put it in their commercials "in the end everything matters". Um, except the dash, that is fair game to look like a horses a$$ if we so chose it to.

Good luck with that ugly dash MBZ. Not being hater, just a realist. I have a MBZ, but probably will never after this one. Unless they can show they finally get it.
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I think its different than anything else out there so people will bite on it. People like technology and they will like 2 TFT screens. Eventhough it looks like and old school design. Now days, everybody is going back to the past for ideas. Look at fashion. I hate the idea but I guess people are bored these days. But everybody has a different taste so there will be people that hate it and people that love it. Part of life.
I think exterior is ugly as hell and it looks the same as the other lower class. Why is everybody doing that? BMW, AUDI, MBZ - everyone is making lower class cars look more like higher class cars. After doing that - why would people want to spend money on a higher end class cars if the can get the same look cheaper. Hmmm. Higher end class cars should stand out - not blend in.
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I think its different than anything else out there so people will bite on it. People like technology and they will like 2 TFT screens. Eventhough it looks like and old school design. Now days, everybody is going back to the past for ideas. Look at fashion. I hate the idea but I guess people are bored these days. But everybody has a different taste so there will be people that hate it and people that love it. Part of life.
I think exterior is ugly as hell and it looks the same as the other lower class. Why is everybody doing that? BMW, AUDI, MBZ - everyone is making lower class cars look more like higher class cars. After doing that - why would people want to spend money on a higher end class cars if the can get the same look cheaper. Hmmm. Higher end class cars should stand out - not blend in.
You're spot on, on that. I think part of the reason cars are sharing more and more of each others modeling styling cues is because of efficiencies. It saves the manufacturers money to use the same mirrors, components, and styling cues, because they're not having to design specific things for each class of their models. Audi was notorious for that, and now you're seeing BMW (e.g. 7 and 5 look so similar), and MBZ (E and the C class look alike, and now the S and CL), and even Lexus follow suit.

It's a shame. That's why if I'm in the market for another high-end luxury motor-sport, I'm taking a hard look at the Bentley.
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I watch the video, and while I'm not sure I like the Mercedes, it gets me excited for what BMW will be bringing to the table in 2015(?), the little innovations like the soft touch heated surfaces, some of the functions controlled by their version of idrive, the dual sunroofs, a lot of little things that make me excited for the future of our 7's, all the safety stuff that's "standard"... Very exciting times!


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I hope that new 7 will have more storage (which F01 is lacking), spare tire, some sort of dynamic seats, full driver side massaging seat, better sound insulation, more room and less like the other 3 or 5 series look.

Did you guys see the new $75K Maseratti Ghibili. Good looking car but it has a whole bunch of Chrysler parts in it (seats, control screen, etc).

Ndavani - maybe that is something you want to look into. It suppose to compete with 5 series and E class so it may not be that big inside. Or maybe TESLA. Im actually looking at a Panamera. Very pricy but it hold its value very well.
http://www.maserati.us/maserati/us/e...interiors.html

Dont you love when KIA copies the diamond seats upholstry look of a Bentley in their new Optima? Nice look but Kia and Hyundai are pushing it hard.

Watch all new HEAD2Head videos on youtube of the new "M5 Competition" vs "E63 S". They like the Mercedes better than a BMW. Hmmmmm. I dont know about that one.

I just recently been in a TESLA. Very nice car, roomy, tons of technology, very nice look in white, tons of storage. At least the sunroof opens unlike the new S550 Sport package as you see in the video above. LOL

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I'm not a fan of the styling of the Telsa, take off the badges and I bet most people would think it's a new Kia.
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I hope that new 7 will have more storage (which F01 is lacking), spare tire, some sort of dynamic seats, full driver side massaging seat, better sound insulation, more room and less like the other 3 or 5 series look.

Did you guys see the new $75K Maseratti Ghibili. Good looking car but it has a whole bunch of Chrysler parts in it (seats, control screen, etc).

Ndavani - maybe that is something you want to look into. It suppose to compete with 5 series and E class so it may not be that big inside. Or maybe TESLA. Im actually looking at a Panamera. Very pricy but it hold its value very well.
http://www.maserati.us/maserati/us/e...interiors.html

Dont you love when KIA copies the diamond seats upholstry look of a Bentley in their new Optima? Nice look but Kia and Hyundai are pushing it hard.

Watch all new HEAD2Head videos on youtube of the new "M5 Competition" vs "E63 S". They like the Mercedes better than a BMW. Hmmmmm. I dont know about that one.

I just recently been in a TESLA. Very nice car, roomy, tons of technology, very nice look in white, tons of storage. At least the sunroof opens unlike the new S550 Sport package as you see in the video above. LOL
Not my cup of tea. I like the Quattroporte, but like you said, it's like a Chrysler inside. The interior is so cheaply made.

My buddy at work just traded in his 2011 Pano for an MBZ E350 ($57k 26k miles, dealer sold it for $59k). The Pano was nice, but the rear looks strange from the side. The only hatchback that's got it right is the A7 and Aston Marin Rapide.
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