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Old 10-26-2013, 11:54 PM
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Lighting system malfunction! All power locks, windows interior not working,

Somehow I left the light on the interior of my car on all afternoon and I went outside put the key fobb in and not knowing i tried to start it.

It clicked a few times and kept clicking on and off. Then the headlights turned on and the only time that lights will turn off is my pull the key out.

I gave the car a jump and it started to run after a little bit of charging, however I'm getting lamp malfunction error. My power windows do not work, my side markers do not work, power windows do not work, and I can't turn the headlights off it's on emergency mode or something.

I got code. 1500, P1100.

Try to erase the codes, driving around the block a few times, turning the car off and then restarting.

What is going on with it?


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Old 10-27-2013, 12:04 AM
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How many volts at the battery with engine off and on?
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Old 10-27-2013, 12:13 AM
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Lighting system malfunction! All power locks, windows interior not working,

Don't have a volt meter but the car starts promptly now


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Old 10-27-2013, 01:07 AM
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Lighting system malfunction! All power locks, windows interior not working,

Also when I press the lock button below the monitor it will only unlock, fobb key will only unlock. Locking won't work now.

Brake lights only work with car running as does the headlights. Angel here won't turn on.

EDIT:

Back windows can be rolled up or down only from the rear. The front doors have no control either.

Codes are gone now.

I keep getting door open earning when all doors are closed.

Heater, a/c and radio all work perfectly. Moonroof doesn't work. DSC button works done as well.

Speedo, gas and temp gauge all work.

Idrive seems ok too. When I go into the menu on idrive to change the pathway light, welcome light, or daytime running lamps it will not let me change anything there. it does nothing there's no check marks.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:19 AM
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Re: Lighting system malfunction! All power locks, windows interior not working,

The functions you have lost are, IIRC, all controlled by the footwell module (FRM). It seems to have temporarily or permanently lost its mind from either the low-voltage start attempt or the ensuing jump-start. You need to visit a dealer or well-equipped independent BMW specialist shop, to have the module diagnosed, reset if possible or replaced if necessary. The module must be coded to the car so this is not a DIY repair.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:59 AM
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Try to erase the codes, driving around the block a few times, turning the car off and then restarting.

What is going on with it?

Work with THIS or THAT; reset ECU. Google the last if not familiar.
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Old 10-27-2013, 09:01 AM
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Word to the wise, WF.....

With your history, use caution driving now 'til the end of the month.


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Old 10-27-2013, 02:16 PM
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Lighting system malfunction! All power locks, windows interior not working,

Lol yea. If I buy the cable separately and download the software from e90post to code hids and stuff will that allow me to fix this error and clear it out?

Will NCS expert and winkfp work for what I need? What about standard tools?
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Old 10-27-2013, 03:14 PM
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Lighting system malfunction! All power locks, windows interior not working,

FRM3 AHL is the module a local coder told me to get saying my FRM module is fried.

I have hids that I installed with error cancellation capacitors yesterday, as well as D1s replacement lights.

They worked all day. Then like an idiot I left the fog lights on for a while and then the dome light and killed my battery.

The interior lights worked fine when I got in my car to start it not knowing the battery was dead and I tried to start the car and then it clicked and flickered and then the error happened.

I jumped the car with my other car and I had to let it sit for a few minutes and then it started to turn over, i could hear the drain on the other car and the rpms went down right when it started.

The guy I spoke to today said all the lights that aren't working make him think the module is fried.
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Lighting system malfunction! All power locks, windows interior not working,

I remove the FRM module out of the car. Which one of these numbers on the sticker is the part number to order a new one?


Also there's clips on the side to open the casing, is there a way to tell if it's blown? Like maybe a burnt smell or one of the main boards cracked or something?



EDIT: I am currently setting up my macbook to boot windows 7. I am grabbing a K+DCAN inpa cable tomorrow and setting up NCS expert. Once I have that done by tomorrow afternoon, what should i be looking for to see if my module is fried? Also I take it i can program injectors and batteries now too right?


If I am to try and see if it's just error codes what am I looking for?
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Will this cable work? I can grab it locally.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=380684643069


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Re: Lighting system malfunction! All power locks, windows interior not working,

I noticed nobody said that so I'll give it a shot. did you check the fuse?

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I remove the FRM module out of the car....there's clips on the side to open the casing, is there a way to tell if it's blown? Like maybe a burnt smell or one of the main boards cracked or something?

Interesting! Please post hi res photos, front and back, of printed circuit board[s] inside.

Yup, visual inspection is the first step in board repair. If component has released magic smoke, we'll see it....
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I took it to a BMW shop, and there's no communication with the FRM module.

The tech that he couldn't figure anything out.
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Buy the cable from one-stop-electronics. All the other ones are hit or miss.

And yes you can code injectors and register batteries with the Standard Tools package granted you have all the data load correctly.

Sounds like your frm is indeed shot. You can try looking on eBay for a used module but make sure it's compatible with your car. Some are AHL and other are not.
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I took it to a BMW shop, and there's no communication with the FRM module.

The tech that he couldn't figure anything out.

Could be as simple as a fuse, or fried voltage regulator.

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Could be as simple as a fuse, or fried voltage regulator.

Photos, please....Vielen Dank im Voraus!
Phoots of the FRM module opened up? is there any fuse on the battery posts? I checked the glove box and the box on passenger side under hood and fuses look ok.
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My auxiliary input on my idrive isn't working either and I can't selected to turn the volume up as the volume is all the way down and when I selected it does nothing. Does the FRM module control this too?
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My auxiliary input on my idrive isn't working either and I can't selected to turn the volume up as the volume is all the way down and when I selected it does nothing. Does the FRM module control this too?
No your radio module does, CCC, CIC RAD2, etc

Have your battery load tested just to be safe. It seems convenience features are being disabled but I've never heard of a case this extreme.

Chain auto parts store will load test the battery for free. You need to remove the battery though.
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Lighting system malfunction! All power locks, windows interior not working,

I just finished installing the frm module and everything works now except the auxiliary input on the radio.

Of course the mirrors, and power windows are all reversed and backwards because it needs to be coded.

And I still have a warning light too, but I'm at the dealer now getting coded.
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I just finished installing the frm module and everything works now except the auxiliary input on the radio.

Of course the mirrors, and power windows are all reversed and backwards because it needs to be coded.

And I still have a warning light too, but I'm at the dealer now getting coded.
Ahh so the FRM was faulty. The aux will most likely come back after coding. Just make sure they choose the option to activate it. I've seen instances where power is lost and the AUX is gone, but I've only seen that on Minis.
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Lighting system malfunction! All power locks, windows interior not working,

The dealer blames the jump start and/or short voltage for the reason my FRM is shot.

They said the lights that I put in and the resistors wouldn't have done it. He said the car would turn them off or give errors if they were the issue. Do you guys agree?
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The dealer blames the jump start and/or short voltage for the reason my FRM is shot.

They said the lights that I put in and the resistors wouldn't have done it. He said the car would turn them off or give errors if they were the issue. Do you guys agree?
That's been my opinion from the get-go. If the lights presented a load so far from normal that the car could not protect itself, you would have seen symptoms right away when you first powered up the aftermarket lighting. (The magic-smoke containment valve pops. ) Anything out of range, but not catastrophic, might cause damage over time but would almost always cause errors or odd behavior first.

A jump start is always a risky proposition on a BMW or other electronics-laden car. Any component that is not (or cannot be) turned off is vulnerable if there is a surge. Extreme under-voltage also presents risks, especially when jump-starting in that condition--for example, a design could include active limiting circuits that cease operating when the voltage drops too low.

Glad you got it sorted out (and kudos for doing much of it yourself ).
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That's been my opinion from the get-go. If the lights presented a load so far from normal that the car could not protect itself, you would have seen symptoms right away when you first powered up the aftermarket lighting. (The magic-smoke containment valve pops. ) Anything out of range, but not catastrophic, might cause damage over time but would almost always cause errors or odd behavior first.

A jump start is always a risky proposition on a BMW or other electronics-laden car. Any component that is not (or cannot be) turned off is vulnerable if there is a surge. Extreme under-voltage also presents risks, especially when jump-starting in that condition--for example, a design could include active limiting circuits that cease operating when the voltage drops too low.

Glad you got it sorted out (and kudos for doing much of it yourself ).
Thanks man! I am starting some programming now too.

Just got to figure out now to backup my cars files first. Lol
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A jump start is always a risky proposition on a BMW or other electronics-laden car. Any component that is not (or cannot be) turned off is vulnerable if there is a surge. Extreme under-voltage also presents risks, especially when jump-starting in that condition--for example, a design could include active limiting circuits that cease operating when the voltage drops too low.
Case in point.. my 2007 Acura MDX blew an HID igniter and control module thousands of miles apart each time I had to jump start it.
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