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Old 11-07-2013, 10:21 PM
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It's frustrating that Caddy have to make their cars so fugly. I mean there are plentiful of design houses around the world who can make truly beautiful designs. Same thing with Lexus. Both companies are making such good progress in driving dynamics but the designs are prohibiting. Just swallow the pride and get some help already.
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Old 11-07-2013, 11:25 PM
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Like the plastic ones on your BMW? Corvette doors don't open themselves on the freeway so you don't need to worry about "all that flex".
Clearly your eye for detail (or lack thereof) prohibits you from realizing how vastly different grains of plastic can feel from one another. "Plastic is plastic" is an inaccurate frame of mind which has allowed GM to come this far.
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Old 11-07-2013, 11:42 PM
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Cadillac is taking weight off of their cars and tightening up the suspensions while adding horsepower. BMW's are getting bigger, gaining weight and putting nonsense monikers like
"M Sport" on all their models. I heard a motor journalist say it best "What does the M stand for now with BMW....Marketing."
I don't like this M-labeling either - but to be fair, isn't Cadillac doing the same by introducing a "V-sport" which isn't a "true V", either?
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:05 AM
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I just think of the name: General Motors.

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Old 11-08-2013, 07:12 AM
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I just think of the name: General Motors.

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Old 11-08-2013, 07:29 AM
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I don't like this M-labeling either - but to be fair, isn't Cadillac doing the same by introducing a "V-sport" which isn't a "true V", either?
I disagree. The V-Sport may not have the ZR1 engine, but it does have a much more powerful engine than what has been available in the CTS aside from the V, and it does come with the good suspension. I've had a Corvette with the "magnetic" ride suspension, and it truly is a world class suspension. They have sold the rights to many other companies, including Ferrari.

BMW will put an "M-Sport" on any car now, including a fairly pedestrian 528 and even the diesel.
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:50 AM
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I disagree. The V-Sport may not have the ZR1 engine, but it does have a much more powerful engine than what has been available in the CTS aside from the V, and it does come with the good suspension.
I still believe they should have chosen a different name. A 550i also has a much more powerful engine than the 535 or 528 but it's still not an M - so these labels should only go onto cars that are real Ms or Vs.

By calling it "V-sport", you could get the idea that this model is even one level above a V which is as misleading as it gets.

In addition to that, BMW is certainly not alone. Look at what Audi is doing with their S-model packages. If you want a fully loaded A6, you are actually forced to buy an S-Line since it's part of the Prestige Package.

At least BMW still gives us a choice to select M- or non M-line.

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Old 11-08-2013, 01:17 PM
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I still believe they should have chosen a different name. A 550i also has a much more powerful engine than the 535 or 528 but it's still not an M - so these labels should only go onto cars that are real Ms or Vs.

By calling it "V-sport", you could get the idea that this model is even one level above a V which is as misleading as it gets.

In addition to that, BMW is certainly not alone. Look at what Audi is doing with their S-model packages. If you want a fully loaded A6, you are actually forced to buy an S-Line since it's part of the Prestige Package.

At least BMW still gives us a choice to select M- or non M-line.
Point taken. I think that M-B actually started the whole thing with the "AMG Appearance Package", and remember the Porche "turbo" fenders on the non-turbo? I don't recall what they called the package, but it might have even been the "turbo appearance package".
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Old 11-08-2013, 02:26 PM
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Point taken. I think that M-B actually started the whole thing with the "AMG Appearance Package", and remember the Porche "turbo" fenders on the non-turbo? I don't recall what they called the package, but it might have even been the "turbo appearance package".
Yup, somebody started it and was successful. Now, they are all doing it..
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:32 PM
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Re: 2014 Cadillac CTS Vsport

Works for me. Msport package has some nice features!

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I just think of the name: General Motors.

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To me "General Motors" is exactly like calling it "Standard Motors", or "Basic Motors". Just the most clinically unsexy name and linkage to the products they sell.
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Old 11-09-2013, 06:38 PM
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It sounds soo "eek"........Priceless. As a side note I wonder if the greats of formula one ever expressed themselves in the same manner. "Michael Schumacher driving was soo "eek"

I think if the vsport can out handle the BMW, I think BMW needs to step out of their comfort zone and address their newfound competitors in the successor to the f10. So far theyve been outgunned by the Japanese (GS) and the Americans (CTS). Next thing u know the Hyundai genesis is out handling them lol.
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Old 11-09-2013, 08:35 PM
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To me "General Motors" is exactly like calling it "Standard Motors", or "Basic Motors". Just the most clinically unsexy name and linkage to the products they sell.
A lot of names are well, pedestrian, and a lot seem to end in "a" Honda, Lada, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, Trabant (this you gotta watch), Volvo, Fiat. They certainly don't seem to sound like Aston Martin, or Ferrari, or Porsche, Jaguar, or Maserati. Mercedes, is not bad sounding. Audi, is okay I guess. Cadillac and Corvette sound pretty cool to me as well, Cadillac is a french derived name.

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Okay, might as well come clean, it's Canadians that are responsible for some of these cars...

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I saw this car at the Miami auto show and have to say that the interior feels much richer than the average 535i. It was impressive.
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Old 11-09-2013, 09:08 PM
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To me "General Motors" is exactly like calling it "Standard Motors", or "Basic Motors". Just the most clinically unsexy name and linkage to the products they sell.
But isn't "BMW" exactly the same in German? "German Motor Works"?



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Not seeing your point here.

KA's point was that "General" also means, generic, standard, not specific, etc.

And no, it doesn't mean German Motor Works. It's Bavarian. Bavaria is a state in Germany, it does not refer to the whole country.
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I saw this car at the Miami auto show and have to say that the interior feels much richer than the average 535i. It was impressive.
Intriguing coming from you.

I'll certainly give this car a shot. Hopefully it's a better effort than the last gen CTS and current XTS. I can't even fit in either of those, and it feels like typical crummy GM fare of old.
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Not seeing your point here.

KA's point was that "General" also means, generic, standard, not specific, etc.

And no, it doesn't mean German Motor Works. It's Bavarian. Bavaria is a state in Germany, it does not refer to the whole country.
Interestingly, William Durant, who founded GM never liked Durant Motor Car as a name.
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Old 11-09-2013, 10:26 PM
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I also agree with stealth.pilot. At the autoshow, the ATS felt so much more expensive than a comparable 3 series. The only drawback is the Cadillac's CUE system. I will have to check out the SF auto show in a few weeks to see the CTS.
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Interestingly, William Durant, who founded GM never liked Durant Motor Car as a name.
Meh, GM not offensive to me. The only thing I thought was silly was when they tried to "brand" all the cars as GM, regardless of which company made them. Struck me as unnecessary and kind of counterintuitive.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:06 PM
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The only thing I thought was silly was when they tried to "brand" all the cars as GM, regardless of which company made them. Struck me as unnecessary and kind of counterintuitive.
I agree, by that logic I could start calling Porsche's VW's!
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I agree, by that logic I could start calling Porsche's VW's!
Start calling Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini , Bugatti, Bentley, and Ducati's VW too.
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