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Old 10-30-2013, 07:51 PM
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Unhappy Yet another rough running 335

Wouldn't you know it. I just picked up my new F30 yesterday. My wife is now driving my 2008 E90 335xi. Today she reports it started the dreaded rough running until the car warmed up.
Today's temp was in the 40's, and it was very foggy and humid.

I had the issue last spring, and ran it until I got a code. The dealer replaced some fuel injectors and fuel rail (?) [I don't have the paper work nearby]. It was in the dealership for a number of days because they could only duplicate the problem after the car sat outside overnight. The problem did not re-appear for the last 5-6 months. And now, Murphy's law, it hits on the first day my wife is driving the car!

Oh well. I'll call the dealer tomorrow. I hope they can fix it even though it is not showing a code.

Thanks for letting me rant.

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Old 10-30-2013, 08:19 PM
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How many miles?
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:58 PM
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Fuel injector replacement time! It's usually only one but they replace them all. Never had the issue since (1 year now).
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:59 AM
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Walnut shell blast or injectors is my guess. N4S
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:44 AM
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Yet another rough running 335

Literally just had the exact same issue with my 2010 335xi. Dealer replaced all 6 fuel injectors and (knock on wood) so far so good.

I knew they would need time to duplicate the rough start and idle so I set up an appt. For a loaner and enjoyed a brand new 535 for about 4 days while they figured it out at the dealership.

I'd advise you do the exact same thing.




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Old 11-02-2013, 08:13 PM
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The coils are also an issue. I had mine replaced with newer serial number units along with injectors and no issues since! B4 that, rough idle in the mornings and on any cold days until warmed up. There is a You Tube video on these from some mechanic in Australia who sounds like the Wolverine guy Here it is:


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Old 11-02-2013, 08:23 PM
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The fuel injectors are a known issue. There is a You Tube video on these from some mechanic in Australia who sounds like Hugh Jackman I found it. Here it is:


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Old 11-15-2013, 06:56 PM
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Knowing this could take a while to diagnose, I set up an appointment and got a loaner. The dealership had the car for almost a week. They finally found a problem with a small leak in one fuel injector, and replaced that. My wife reported that the car is still running somewhat rough -- not really rough, but a noticeable "shimmy" in the engine.

Suggestions? The dealership covered the repair under warranty, but I'm not sure how long that'll keep up. The car has 79,000 miles on it. It almost seems that if there isn't a code displayed, the can't find anything..

Of course, in the meantime, she absolutely fell in love with the loaner 2014 328i XDrive...
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:29 PM
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Another data point -- the problem is worse (or at least more notable) at higher RPMs.

If, for example, you are driving away the from the house in second gear, and maybe keep it in second (it's a manual transmission) for a few hundred RPM higher than you normally would, the vibration/shimmy is more noticeable. When you shift to third and the RPM is lower, the vibration is left noticeable.

After 10 minutes of driving, the vibration is either gone, or is at least greatly reduced.

I'll definitely call the dealership Monday, but I'm afraid they won't be able to do anything, or at least, not without experimenting on my $$.

John
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Old 11-17-2013, 06:51 AM
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Another data point -- the problem is worse (or at least more notable) at higher RPMs.

If, for example, you are driving away the from the house in second gear, and maybe keep it in second (it's a manual transmission) for a few hundred RPM higher than you normally would, the vibration/shimmy is more noticeable. When you shift to third and the RPM is lower, the vibration is left noticeable.

After 10 minutes of driving, the vibration is either gone, or is at least greatly reduced.

I'll definitely call the dealership Monday, but I'm afraid they won't be able to do anything, or at least, not without experimenting on my $$.

John
This sounds like injectors to me. Maybe they all need to be replaced. It is a weak spot with this engine. Do me a favor.....try running two bottles of Chevron Fuel System Cleaner Plus concentrate. Buy it at your local parts store. Put one bottle in and fill with Shell or Chevron gas (buy the one for a 20 gallon tank). Go for a 30 minute interstate run at 70 mph in 3rd gear. Do this twice a week until you go through 2 tanks of gas. If your problem goes away then you had fouled injectors. I am quite certain my advice may save you from injector replacement.


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Old 11-17-2013, 07:15 AM
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This sounds like injectors to me. Maybe they all need to be replaced. It is a weak spot with this engine. Do me a favor.....try running two bottles of Chevron Fuel System Cleaner Plus concentrate.
Very interesting!

Lots of positive comments for that product on Amazon as well. I will give it a try. Would you recommend waiting until the car needs fuel, or could I add a bottle now (the car is about 3/4 full of fuel)?
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Very interesting!

Lots of positive comments for that product on Amazon as well. I will give it a try. Would you recommend waiting until the car needs fuel, or could I add a bottle now (the car is about 3/4 full of fuel)?

>AHEM<

Amazon and Yelp reviews are populated by glowing opinions from the vendor represented. No marketng manager worth his salary will miss an opportunity to shill his product!

Consumers Union is perhaps the most trustworthy review, with mildly Socialist tint.
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:30 AM
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Very interesting!

Lots of positive comments for that product on Amazon as well. I will give it a try. Would you recommend waiting until the car needs fuel, or could I add a bottle now (the car is about 3/4 full of fuel)?
Go ahead and dump one bottle in now. Run tank to empty and then put in second bottle followed by fuel.


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Old 11-17-2013, 07:35 AM
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>AHEM<

Amazon and Yelp reviews are populated by glowing opinions from the vendor represented. No marketng manager worth his salary will miss an opportunity to shill his product!

Consumers Union is perhaps the most trustworthy review, with mildly Socialist tint.
Yeah, I did notice that a lot of the reviews for this product seemed, * ahem * overly effusive, in comparison to, say, coffee maker reviews, where the comments really do seem to come from real users of the product.
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:39 AM
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Yeah, I did notice that a lot of the reviews for this product seemed, * ahem * overly effusive, in comparison to, say, coffee maker reviews, where the comments really do seem to come from real users of the product.
True, but I can tell you that the product does work. BMW sells the product at the dealer in BMW packaging too. It is worth your 30 bucks to try it. Even Mike Miller, tech editor of Roundel, swears by the product.


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Old 11-17-2013, 07:41 AM
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True, but I can tell you that the product does work. BMW sells the product at the dealer in BMW packaging too. It is worth your 30 bucks to try it. Even Mike Miller, tech editor of Roundel, swears by the product.
Yes, I will try it. I did read enough reviews to find many that seemed "real." And as you say, $30 is a whole lot less than most any non-warranty repair at the shop, even though they will brew me a fresh cup of Starbucks coffee.
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:56 PM
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The fuel injectors are a known issue.
Thanks for finding these!
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Old 11-17-2013, 07:59 PM
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Go ahead and dump one bottle in now. Run tank to empty and then put in second bottle followed by fuel.
It turned out the car was under 1/4 tank, so I dumped in about 16 oz, and filled the tank. Then I had a lovely 25 minute drive up and down 35E.

We shall see what the future brings. I will still call the service advisor and let him know the car still has a subtle vibration. I might ask him if the recall regarding fuel injectors has been done on my car. According to the service bulletin, there should be a sticker under the hood of the car, but I don't see one on mine.

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Old 11-18-2013, 08:31 AM
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My 335i just started doing the exact same thing when the cold weather arrived a couple weeks ago. I'm taking it to the dealer on Weds night, so it can sit overnight and they can replicate the issue on Thursday morning. I'm going to share this thread with them, hopefully giving them a head start in troubleshooting.
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Old 11-21-2013, 10:56 AM
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Just got a call back from my service advisor. They replace my injectors (left bank, I think) and I'll pick the car up tonight. It didn't take them long, only a half-day. My car has CPO, so it's only a $50 deductible for the repair. Hope it does the trick!!
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:13 AM
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Hope it does the trick!!
Indeed.

I called my SA yesterday and left a message that I was still experiencing a subtle vibration. I guess maybe not that subtle as both my wife and I noticed it. Awaiting his return call...

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Just got a call back from my service advisor. They replace my injectors (left bank, I think) and I'll pick the car up tonight. It didn't take them long, only a half-day. My car has CPO, so it's only a $50 deductible for the repair. Hope it does the trick!!
Confirms what I told the OP. It is injectors. You can extend the life of your injectors by sticking with Shell/Chevron and using the fuel system cleaner once every 5k miles. After a few sets of injector replacements in my N54's Mike Miller helped me to figure out how to make them last.


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Knowing this could take a while to diagnose, I set up an appointment and got a loaner. The dealership had the car for almost a week. They finally found a problem with a small leak in one fuel injector, and replaced that. My wife reported that the car is still running somewhat rough -- not really rough, but a noticeable "shimmy" in the engine.

Suggestions? The dealership covered the repair under warranty, but I'm not sure how long that'll keep up. The car has 79,000 miles on it. It almost seems that if there isn't a code displayed, the can't find anything..

Of course, in the meantime, she absolutely fell in love with the loaner 2014 328i XDrive...

So, maybe I missed it.....when was your last intake blastin'?
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:11 AM
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So, maybe I missed it.....when was your last intake blastin'?
Not sure what you mean. I don't believe I've ever had my intake blasted.
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Not sure what you mean. I don't believe I've ever had my intake blasted.

Say this mechanic's chant 5 times: Eenie Wienie.....Fragapini.....Kundalini....Chili Beanie!

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Usually due at 60k mi - your mileage?
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