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F22 / F23 2 Series (2014 - Current)
The 2 Series coupe is the replacement for the E82/E88 1 series coupe. Production starts in November 2013 on the 228i (N20) and M235i (N55) coupes. Look for them in dealerships in February 2014. The convertible F23 2 series will follow in the fall of 2014.

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Old 11-01-2013, 03:22 PM
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Since LSD will be an accessory option on the M235i, any idea what the cost range maybe (I did the search in this forum but came up with nothing)

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Since LSD will be an accessory option on the M235i, any idea what the cost range maybe (I did the search in this forum but came up with nothing)

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I'd guess $1500 + labor. It should really be $500 + labor, but this is BMW we're talking about.
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Since LSD will be an accessory option on the M235i, any idea what the cost range maybe (I did the search in this forum but came up with nothing)

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It shouldn't be too hard to figure out. Just take a look at the prices of options on the current car. You also have to determine if it is dealer installed, or you bought the car with it from the factory. On a Mercedes, an LSD would be a couple of grand, so I figure coming from the factory $1,500 for the BMW. If the dealer installs it, I'd bet a couple of grand at least.

I've had a couple of cars with LSD, and I never felt it was all that important for my driving pleasure. The option I'd prefer is all-wheel drive or 4-matic for the Benz, Quatro for Audi, and X-Drive for the BMW.
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It shouldn't be too hard to figure out. Just take a look at the prices of options on the current car. You also have to determine if it is dealer installed, or you bought the car with it from the factory. On a Mercedes, an LSD would be a couple of grand, so I figure coming from the factory $1,500 for the BMW. If the dealer installs it, I'd bet a couple of grand at least.

I've had a couple of cars with LSD, and I never felt it was all that important for my driving pleasure. The option I'd prefer is all-wheel drive or 4-matic for the Benz, Quatro for Audi, and X-Drive for the BMW.
The LSD is not coming from the factory. It is a dealer installed accessory on the M235i and it will be fantastic or track days.
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The LSD is not coming from the factory. It is a dealer installed accessory on the M235i and it will be fantastic or track days.
And you know this for a fact that it will be fantastic on the track?

What will be fantastic is the price! Yup it's a dealer installed accessory, but I'd bet it'll be offered as an option too. BMW is always looking for a way to drain the pocket book of consumers.

As far as thrills and chills at the track, LSD, All-wheel drive, traction control, and any other gizmos actually subtract from the pleasure of racing around it. I'd say it is for girly boys who depend upon this crap to go fast!

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And you know this for a fact that it will be fantastic on the track?

What will be fantastic is the price! Yup it's a dealer installed accessory, but I'd bet it'll be offered as an option too. BMW is always looking for a way to drain the pocket book of consumers.

As far as thrills and chills at the track, LSD, All-wheel drive, traction control, and any other gizmos actually subtract from the pleasure of racing around it. I'd say it is for girly boys who depend upon this crap to go fast!

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Nope- dealer installed (or possibly port installed) accessory. Not factory. So it will be $$$. Too lazy to dig up various links with the F22 order guide (no factory LSD option) or interviews with a BMW executive but sadly it will not be factory.
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And you know this for a fact that it will be fantastic on the track?

What will be fantastic is the price! Yup it's a dealer installed accessory, but I'd bet it'll be offered as an option too. BMW is always looking for a way to drain the pocket book of consumers.

As far as thrills and chills at the track, LSD, All-wheel drive, traction control, and any other gizmos actually subtract from the pleasure of racing around it. I'd say it is for girly boys who depend upon this crap to go fast!

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Really, you lump LSD and traction control together? They are opposites.
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As far as thrills and chills at the track, LSD, All-wheel drive, traction control, and any other gizmos actually subtract from the pleasure of racing around it. I'd say it is for girly boys who depend upon this crap to go fast!
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And you know this for a fact that it will be fantastic on the track?

What will be fantastic is the price! Yup it's a dealer installed accessory, but I'd bet it'll be offered as an option too. BMW is always looking for a way to drain the pocket book of consumers.

As far as thrills and chills at the track, LSD, All-wheel drive, traction control, and any other gizmos actually subtract from the pleasure of racing around it. I'd say it is for girly boys who depend upon this crap to go fast!

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Yes, an LSD is a gained advantage at a track. Helps me go 1 second faster just like R compound tires. Where a lift is required from throttle or an earlier brake to load the suspension before corner entry.

With an LSD I can keep the throttle on then let the LSD do the work through the corner while allowing me to retain grip in a neutral rotating state. If I had an open diff, the throttle and brake are used to maintain a neutral rotation, otherwise going in to hot will understeer or oversteer depending on your steering & tires slip angle; too steep and you go oversteer and to little will induce understeer.


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yes, an lsd is a gained advantage at a track. Helps me go 1 second faster just like r compound tires. Where a lift is required from throttle or an earlier brake to load the suspension before corner entry.

With an lsd i can keep the throttle on then let the lsd do the work through the corner while allowing me to retain grip in a neutral rotating state. If i had an open diff, the throttle and brake are used to maintain a neutral rotation, otherwise going in to hot will understeer or oversteer depending on your steering & tires slip angle; too steep and you go oversteer and to little will induce understeer.


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Yes, an LSD is a gained advantage at a track. Helps me go 1 second faster just like R compound tires. Where a lift is required from throttle or an earlier brake to load the suspension before corner entry.

With an LSD I can keep the throttle on then let the LSD do the work through the corner while allowing me to retain grip in a neutral rotating state. If I had an open diff, the throttle and brake are used to maintain a neutral rotation, otherwise going in to hot will understeer or oversteer depending on your steering & tires slip angle; too steep and you go oversteer and to little will induce understeer.


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Wonder how many people actually take their new BMWs (even M3s) to the track. 10 year old ones, sure. And brand new Porsche GT3s owned by weatlhy enthusiasts, sure. But I'd bet most new BMW owners/leasers don't have the cash to afford to regularly track their new cars.
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I don't think it is a matter of cash but interest. Most owners of performance cars never drive them on the track. Do you need 500hp, 10" wide tires, LSDs, and 0-60 times in the sub 6 seconds for the street? No, but people buy cars for their potential, not what they actually use them for. Same could be said about houses and a bunch of other stuff. People want the capacity, even if they'll never use it.

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I don't think it is a matter of cash but interest. Most owners of performance cars never drive them on the track. Do you need 500hp, 10" wide tires, LSDs, and 0-60 times in the sub 6 seconds for the street? No, but people buy cars for their potential, not what they actually use them for. Same could be said about houses and a bunch of other stuff. People want the capacity, even if they'll never use it.

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Wonder how many people actually take their new BMWs (even M3s) to the track. 10 year old ones, sure. And brand new Porsche GT3s owned by weatlhy enthusiasts, sure. But I'd bet most new BMW owners/leasers don't have the cash to afford to regularly track their new cars.
All the people I know that have new cars (BMW and other brands which are track ready) have tracked them regardless if it's a lease or purchase. All of them are BMWCCA members, those are the enthusiast majority that buy BMWs for their driving prowess not the badge.

Ironically all of them hate the new EPS from BMW and swear not to buy any of these new ones till they fix it.
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I tracked my 2007 E90 335i when it was new (nearly 36 track days). Then I tracked my 2011 E90 335i - nearly 40 track days so far. And I will track my M235i starting next spring.
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I tracked my 2007 E90 335i when it was new (nearly 36 track days). Then I tracked my 2011 E90 335i - nearly 40 track days so far. And I will track my M235i starting next spring.
Yeah, but you're still among the 5% that actually track their cars.


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Lots of gas, brakes and tires. At my last track event at Watkins Glen I went thought one complete set of pads in five 30 minute sessions. On day two I went through a fresh set of pads in only three 30 minute sessions. Earlier this year I went through a set of track pads in just 4 track days and oh, I also went through one set of front and rear rotors too.
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