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Old 11-02-2013, 03:15 AM
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Upgrading BMW E34 with F10 Engine ?

Greetings to all and thank You for reading.

I would like to ask some questions regarding BMW E34 but first to explain my idea or intention.

As I love BMW and would like to own one (I am 25 and working to get my own car.) I am man that likes to modify things, and this is no different.

I looked at many modern BMW's and after some time decided that I do not like new rounded body shape.

And I like those eyes (Headlights) that BMW trademark and if You will old design, that says "This is a Car"

And the thing I am wondering is how to modernize an old car, well here we come to my question.

Is there possibility to mount engine from F10 in to E34, from mechanical point of view and from economical as well ?

Thank You for reading and have a nice day.
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Old 11-02-2013, 06:20 AM
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of course, anything is possible.

and if you wait for 20 years it will be a cheap conversion.
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Old 11-02-2013, 03:13 PM
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of course, anything is possible.

and if you wait for 20 years it will be a cheap conversion.
So it is possible and doable, but who could do such job and for what price ?

Thank You.
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Old 11-02-2013, 05:00 PM
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Thats the part you are supposed to figure out???

Since your one of the first to want the f10 set up since its new, you get to be the ginnie pig..


If theres not much info, its becuase it has not been done yet..

You dont even mention if you want the f10 m5 motor or the 528i motor..

How could anyone thoroughly awnser this?

Any swap is A, it fits.. B custom mounts C wiring/plumbing it to run.. D custom driveshaft and exhuast..

Basic minimum overview..

Theres no standard rate on this.. Figure 100) an hour till its done!
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Old 11-02-2013, 05:46 PM
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yes, maybe custom sump, modification of the firewall, modification of the front subframe, possibly changing the steering setup.....

you could be looking at a minimum $20k for whatever the engine in the entry level 5 series is. M5, well you might as well just buy an E60 M5 and call it a day.

now that looks expensive, but a new 5 series costs what $110k or more? suddenly $20k looks cheap.
But a $20k build, you could put something a lot more fun in there

But if you are doing it for fuel economy reasons, $20k will buy you 10,000 litres of Petrol and 100,000kms, you would have to do close to a million kilometers to get close to breaking even
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Old 11-02-2013, 06:06 PM
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If he wrecked his paid off F10 with liability insurance and could only afford a used e34...

Like If he Just had the parts laying around lol..

Bet n54 is easy..


Im looking to do s62 eventually.. Idk what nomenclature f10 M5 motor has..
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Old 11-02-2013, 11:19 PM
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I would love to have an E34 with an N54 or N55 in it.
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:44 AM
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Many interesting opinions.

As for modification, the reason is economic fuel consumption and 180+ hp engine...

What I would like find out trough this thread is how would someone do this modification, would it pay off in terms of having the body one likes + powerful and yet economic engine.

So we determined that suck modification would be possible, but is it worth it ?

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Old 11-03-2013, 07:36 AM
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You will find that adapting an engine from a 20 yr newer car is not going to be easy. Todays cars, like the f10, have tons of electronics integrated into the engine management body and transmission systems. You will need a pretty good computer programmer to convinvce the new engine that it wants to run in the old chassis.

Just find an e34 525i with a five speed. It has ~200hp and will get 25-30 mpg. If you need more power turbochage the M50 engine and if you can keep your foot out of it you can maintain mpg and have 300hp when you want it. Changing rear end gear ratios to lower highway cruising rpm will also net you some fuel savings but until after you add the turbo because you will need some of the power to pull the taller gears efficiently. This meathod has been used succesfully, plenty of build threads you could follow step by step to easily acheive your goals. It is still going to cost you at least $5000 USD to turbo a $1500 car though.

There are MUCH better ways to get power and economy than trying to swap in something so far removed technology wise.
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Old 11-06-2013, 12:16 PM
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What would be the best option ?

As some of You have experience in theese things, would it be easier to put 520d (F10) in to 525tds (E34) ??

Or is there any other options ?

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Old 11-06-2013, 12:36 PM
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Thank You for answers and ideas. So what would be the best solution ?

My friend that is mechanic told me that modification from 3 to 5er BMW would be almost changing whole car.

But would it be easyer and thus cheeper to put F10 in to lets say older 320d BMW, the cars should be simular ???

I ask because of 6l fuel comsumption in urban with 180hp ...

Or it would be cheeper to buy some other car ?
^ a bit thick isn't he...

WoW...


Its been laid out for you, unless you have both cars a degree in programing and happen to be a fabricator with there own shop..

Its not a feasible task.. And all the new age attributes are lost..

Choosing the 20-30 year old model better does not make it easier except a bigger car more room.. Lil easier..


The upshot is this is not,cost effective, labor effective or an effective increase in power and economy.. Its waist of time technical exercise that would only be done to show its possible.. And be of no benefit other than being new..

You will get better power, power gains, economy and not waist thousands by dropping this silly idea and getting a normal e30/e34 or going with a more trended swap/ upgrade path
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:39 PM
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Part of the problem is different locations. I have NO idea what BMW models are in Croatia but, we probably have never heard of most of them. Vintage BMW diesels are very rare in the USA, and I am not familiar with any of the newer diesel models.

As mentioned, the more generations the car and engine are seperated by, the more complex the potential swap.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:06 PM
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^ a bit thick isn't he...

WoW...


Its been laid out for you, unless you have both cars a degree in programing and happen to be a fabricator with there own shop..

Its not a feasible task.. And all the new age attributes are lost..

Choosing the 20-30 year old model better does not make it easier except a bigger car more room.. Lil easier..


The upshot is this is not,cost effective, labor effective or an effective increase in power and economy.. Its waist of time technical exercise that would only be done to show its possible.. And be of no benefit other than being new..

You will get better power, power gains, economy and not waist thousands by dropping this silly idea and getting a normal e30/e34 or going with a more trended swap/ upgrade path

And what would be the better option considering that this idea of mine is stupid ?

Just buy 520d (F10) and thats that ?
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:19 PM
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They made Turbo diesle e34s...

Or get the f10 if you like and can afford it..

Or get the body of your choice and do a swap nearly as modern but not quiet as new that the way has been forged for you..

Or do the 525i turbo like suggested before.. Its brilliant but i think i could turbo it for closer to 3000USD


The list of more sensible options goes on and on..
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Old 11-08-2013, 12:01 AM
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And what would be the better option considering that this idea of mine is stupid ?

Just buy 520d (F10) and thats that ?
Dude, no. Get an E34 and build it up. It will be a better driving experience.
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