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Old 11-03-2013, 04:32 PM
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Drivetrain malfunction

Well, I've now received the dreaded "drivetrain malfunction" on my '13 550i. (14 months old, 10k miles, 3qts oil burned)

Pulled out into traffic and it just seamed to lose power and started running rough. I tried to give it gas a few times and backed off to see if it would clear up, but no go. I pulled off immediately into a parking lot and by the time I got it to a place where I could park it for towing, it was rough even at idle and there was a funky smell. Started it twice more to get it into position before and after tow and it was lugging both times in forward and reverse.....SO...it seems I may have the dreaded injector problem, or I blew a head gasket or something else...

Had it towed to the dealership and now I await their call asking me why they have my car in their lot.....fun times ahead.
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:46 PM
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Drivetrain malfunction

Sorry to hear that. It's an easy fox relatively speaking. There is a sib out on this and I was told they had fixed the injector issue with the lci refresh but apparently not. Did you change your gas fill point by jay chance?


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Old 11-03-2013, 05:58 PM
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nope, same places I've gotten it before, but I think I will stick to Sunoco or BP from now on...
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Old 11-03-2013, 06:21 PM
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Thats awful.So sorry. Hope you can report back that it is just one of those not infrequent software glitches.Sounds like a fuel injection electronic issue to me, not transmission specifically.
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:12 AM
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Just got word that the car had thrown some injector codes, so they are replacing all of them. I know this is not an unusual issue for the N63 engine, so I am hoping that the new injectors will take care of the problem. I wonder if the fact that my car burns oil has anything to do with the injector failure.
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:11 PM
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It's a strange scenario...

My SA told me this is a known issue (SIB out there re the injector failures) but he also mentioned that they've improved the design of the new injectors so that replacement is the "final" fix....

Begs the question - why don't they just put the improved design in when the car leaves the factory?????

There are tons of posts out there of 2013/2014 cars with <5k miles who have the same problem!!
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Old 11-07-2013, 04:51 AM
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Looks like it's only going to be one bank of injectors...GRRR. oh well, we'll see how it goes.
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Old 11-09-2013, 05:43 PM
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Well, I have block 9 injectors. Right now, from what my service tech said, the TSB says if it's 10 or below, replace the bank. If it's block 11, just replace the failed injector. Prior to October, the TSB said to replace all the injectors in the car if the issue occurred. Hopefully, this will not reoccur in another 10k miles or less
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:37 AM
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I just bought a CPO 2012 550i with only 12k miles on it. Within one week I had an injector go bad. All 8 were replaced and three plugs were replaced as they were soaked in fuel. My other concern for each of us is what this does to the CATs when these injectors dump that much fuel into the engine. But if that CATs are hurt I'll know it in the next 200 miles. Luckily they are covered under the CPO until 2018 or 100k miles.

My failed on the highway in bumper-to-bumper 70MPH traffic. Definitely not what you want to have happen. I was barely able to get off the highway without getting run over since I lost power and was barely able to keep it going 50MPH. I had my 18 mth old daughter in the back seat which made me even more furious. This is my third BMW and not what I consider the ultimate driving experience. Especially since I asked the dealer to ensure the updated injectors were in the car before the sale and I was told everything was "taken care of as part of our CPO inspection." Turns out they are not doing their job or BMW's CPO program is a piece of junk. Zero excuse for this. I've had vehicles cost half as much, accelerate and handle the same or better and not have this kind of issue.
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Old 02-11-2014, 03:24 AM
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Well, it just happened again. My wife was driving it to work (her cars needs a tire after the pothole I hit driving it back from the airport. (watch out 95 SB south of PHL, there is a pothole the size of a suburban in the third lane) She pulled into traffic and got the drivetrain malfunction. I got it in when she was coming down the driveway and it felt the same way it did the first time. If it's the other set of injectors, I am going to be upset as they changed the service bulletin a couple of months before mine happened from replace all to replace one bank.

I will have it towed in and see what they say.
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:17 AM
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Drivetrain malfunction

I've had the drivetrain malfunction twice and the car has less than 3,000 miles on it. I brought it in and was advised that cylinders 3,5,8 had misfired and stored a code. They reset it and drove it for a few miles. SA said maybe it was a one time thing. I wished they had actually done something but I guess that counts as one of their attempts under the lemon law.
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:47 AM
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Update on the situation.

Apparently my 1-4 injectors (already replaced) were index 9. I just had a bad injector on number 8 (now replaced) , which an index 11. These are supposedly the ones that did not have the issue the earlier ones did.

Something different was that it appears this fault mode was a fail to open (injector cutout) instead of a fail to close, which would leak fuel. The index 11 is the good one and they have not had an issue with it...until now. Something to keep an eye on. I did ask if there was any HPFP codes to see if this was a fuel starvation issue (it was almost full at the time), but they said no codes on the HPFP showed up.

They still have my car as BMW wants them to drive it a bit more, but with the weather fast approaching, I probably won't see it until the weekend.
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Old 02-13-2014, 08:18 AM
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Over past 3 weeks, dealer replaced all 8 injectors and plugs due to Drivetrain Malfunction. Bank 2 last time, bank 1 this week. They said the injectors were leaky in cold engine test. Low pressure fuel system checked out ok. Hopefully this would be the end of this problem, although back in my mind it is not so. Too coincidental that both banks failed about the same time? We will see...
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Old 02-13-2014, 08:59 PM
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I had the error at 3K miles. They checked my injectors and said they were ok. They said it was a software error. So, they updated the BMW software as well as my DINAN software. No problems since this happened over a year ago.
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Old 02-22-2014, 08:14 PM
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One week and less than 200 miles and it's back in the shop....again. This time it occurred at idle, when I was stopped, so no acceleration was occurring. This is the third time for this issue and I am getting tired of it. Unfortunately, the first time did not occur until after one year had passed, so no lemon law for me. Any advice? I just want this thing FIXED...
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:47 PM
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Now they are saying an ignition coil is the issue...
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:16 AM
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Did you have any symptom preceding the error? such as occasional roughness or misfire in idle? (I have some even after new injector/plugs, which I am dreading as a precursor to another failure).
Also, did they clear fuel pumps as a possible cause?
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Now they are saying an ignition coil is the issue...
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:22 AM
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Idle was down around 600 or so and a little rough. Was not running it hard that day...not even over 3000 rpm on the entrance ramps due to all the potholes around here. Heck, maybe they screwed something up during the last repair. All that said, with the exception of the last year of ownership...NONE of my cars...and I keep them 10 years or more...have been in the shop as much as this one...combined. None have had to go back twice within 6 months to fix the same problem...much less a week. I am very displeased with this car's reliability and unless this is the very last time it's in the shop, I will never buy another BMW again. I will go back to Ford (Mustang or Taurus SHO), Chevrolet (corvette, camaro, SS) Cadillac (CTS, CTS-V), or Lexus (RC-F, RC, IS-F, GS) if I have to.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:28 AM
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Idle was down around 600 or so and a little rough. Was not running it hard that day...not even over 3000 rpm on the entrance ramps due to all the potholes around here. Heck, maybe they screwed something up during the last repair. All that said, with the exception of the last year of ownership...NONE of my cars...and I keep them 10 years or more...have been in the shop as much as this one...combined. None have had to go back twice within 6 months to fix the same problem...much less a week. I am very displeased with this car's reliability and unless this is the very last time it's in the shop, I will never buy another BMW again. I will go back to Ford (Mustang or Taurus SHO), Chevrolet (corvette, camaro, SS) Cadillac (CTS, CTS-V), or Lexus (RC-F, RC, IS-F, GS) if I have to.
Hell no you're staying with BMW forever. You'll see when the new Gxx comes out
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Old 03-14-2014, 02:58 PM
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well, it happened yet again...the Fourth time so far.

This time, I didn't even get out of my driveway. Had it towed in again and told the service center to find the real problem, not just replace components. There is a root cause to this issue, but they are only looking for the apparent causes.

I've had it. I did not pay nearly 80k for a car I can't trust to go 2 weeks or 300 miles without failing. Yeah, this car puts a smile on my face when I drive it, but if I can't drive it 2-300 miles before it fails again, that means I can't even use it as a highway cruiser, which is why I bought it...driving family vacations....instead of a 3 or a muscle/sports car. If I wanted a car with that breaks every few weeks, I would have bought something italian.

If it happens again, I will start looking for a replacement and it won't be another 5.
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:48 PM
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Have had a similar experience w my 2011 550ix. Malfunctioning key fob ( 4 visits), drivetrain malfunction (2 weeks), battery discharge (1 week). Otherwise it's a joy to drive. I was under no illusions when I bought this car about it's reliability- (obviously if you want Lexus reliability, buy a Lexus), but for the price paid, these issues are inexcusable. My next car will be a Tesla.
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:09 PM
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drivetrain malf error message

.. F10 has been running rough at times.. especially at start up.. its been burning oil faster too.. SA tells me i need my injectors replaced.. this would cost a bundle.. i found out the fuel injectors have been redesigned by BMW for the F10..
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