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Old 11-08-2013, 11:19 AM
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I got a FULL set of Winter tires for sale. 17" rims and they are Alpine tires by michellen. I have used them for only 2000 Miles. Dont need them. They are in great condition. If your interested let me know. Local pick up or I can mail them out. Asking price is 1300 but I'am flexable for price. I can provide picture upon request. (NO TPM)
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:24 AM
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Sorry for being a d*ck but why would you buy winter tires for a 328xi an all wheel drive car?
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Old 11-08-2013, 11:50 AM
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Sorry for being a d*ck but why would you buy winter tires for a 328xi an all wheel drive car?
Because All-Season tires are garbage on ice (even worse on wet ice) or in any appreciable amount of snow. I've run winter tires every year on my 335xi and wouldn't think of doing without them.
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Old 11-08-2013, 12:10 PM
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Gregg I had a 325I for half year becuase of winter problems I switched to an 328XI. Hence no need of winter Tires. Also agree with Zooks527.
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Sorry for being a d*ck but why would you buy winter tires for a 328xi an all wheel drive car?
how does awd help you stop and/or turn?
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Sorry for being a d*ck but why would you buy winter tires for a 328xi an all wheel drive car?
Check out this tire video.

http://www.tirerack.com/videos/index...=26&tab=winter

The Myth of the All-Powerful All-Wheel Drive:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...drive-15202862

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how does awd help you stop and/or turn?
Sure doesn't do anything for stopping. Now, on slush over ice, I've had it help me turn (albeit in the "half a loaf is better than none" category).
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how does awd help you stop and/or turn?
A car with AWD usually weighs more than the same car with RWD. On the same tires, an AWD car should be worse at stopping and turning than the RWD version.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...price-traction
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And where is it written that AWD cars don't need snow tires? Yes, you're being a....
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A car with AWD usually weighs more than the same car with RWD. On the same tires, an AWD car should be worse at stopping and turning than the RWD version.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...price-traction
But once you read it, you realize there's only one paragraph on braking in a 4 page article, and the effect above is referring to stock tires on snow. Sure looks like both FWD/RWD and AWD cars stopped in the same distance with winter tires. (Page 3, "Braking")

With regards to handling, it explicitly says the opposite. On snow, the FWD and RWD Audis had the same lateral performance. The AWD Mercedes beat both the RWD Mercedes and both Audis in lateral acceleration. (Page 3, "Lateral Acceleration").

Want to know the most frustrating thing about that article? They had RWD / AWD versions of the same car (E320) with both cars on the same winter tires and they give you NO information about comparative performance through the slalom course. All of the slalom comparisons are about winter vs A/S across the set of cars. Just once, I'd like to see a comparison of same/same AWD/RWD cars on winter tires on snow across all performance regimes. But you never do, especially in articles that lead with the "AWD has extra weight / diminished performance" trope. Perhaps they had the data in the hardcopy version of the article, but it wasn't there in the online.

Final note: That article's 15 years old. Tires and traction control systems (both AWD and 2WD) have moved pretty far since then, and the article may no longer be relevant.
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But you never do, especially in articles that lead with the "AWD has extra weight / diminished performance" trope. Perhaps they had the data in the hardcopy version of the article, but it wasn't there in the online.

Final note: That article's 15 years old. Tires and traction control systems (both AWD and 2WD) have moved pretty far since then, and the article may no longer be relevant.
The added AWD system weight "should" make a difference. No more of a difference than a couple of fat passengers, but a difference. Even on summer tires and on dry pavement, I can notice a difference in performance when I have 10 bags of fertilizer in my wagon.

The C/D article used to have charts and graphs appended -- which seem to have fallen off and become lost over the years.

Unfortunately, a test of the permutations of AWD/ RWD/ FWD, on summer/ "all season" / winter tires hasn't been redone by them. It's useful information. (Maybe cost?)

Tire Rack's ice acceleration test -- with a 325i (?) and Cayenne -- is quite a few years old, too.
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The added AWD system weight "should" make a difference. No more of a difference than a couple of fat passengers, but a difference. Even on summer tires and on dry pavement, I can notice a difference in performance when I have 10 bags of fertilizer in my wagon.
Sure, but it's all in the back, which switches your weight balance significantly. You need to lay them evenly all along the length of your car and try again.

In a similar vein, there's only 220 pounds difference between a RWD and an xDrive. That's only one stout passenger.
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Sorry i am new to BMW, But its New jersey and NJ gets a big blizzard every 5 yrs
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Sorry for being a d*ck but why would you buy winter tires for a 328xi an all wheel drive car?
You're not a d*ck you're just snow ignorant.
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Sorry i am new to BMW, But its New jersey and NJ gets a big blizzard every 5 yrs
imo, for jersey you don't need snow tires, just be careful which all seasons you buy. (some are good in snow, most are not).

To me the decision is more based on whether you want summer tires half the year, or are ok with all seasons. I want summers on my ZHP, but for our Outback, all seasons are fine, so we just buy Nokian all seasons for the Subaru.
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imo, for jersey you don't need snow tires, just be careful which all seasons you buy. (some are good in snow, most are not).

To me the decision is more based on whether you want summer tires half the year, or are ok with all seasons. I want summers on my ZHP, but for our Outback, all seasons are fine, so we just buy Nokian all seasons for the Subaru.
Again and again and again.

I ran Nokians on my Passat for a few sets. Good in the summer, good in the winter, but the tread life on them was awful.
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Again and again and again.

I ran Nokians on my Passat for a few sets. Good in the summer, good in the winter, but the tread life on them was awful.
That's weird, we got 70k miles from them on our WRX. We don't drive it hard though.

Another way to go is to buy a winter performance tire like Dunlop M2/M3. I ran M2s all year around on my ZHP, trying to burn them up, but they lasted through 2 summers.
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Check out this tire video.

http://www.tirerack.com/videos/index...=26&tab=winter

The Myth of the All-Powerful All-Wheel Drive:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...drive-15202862
The only people I see perpetuating this myth are winter tire advocates.

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Everything I read seems to indicate using a Winter Tire is better than a A/S Tire regardless of RWD or AWD. The rubber compound is different, allowing faster stopping in the Winter Tire in snow and wet conditions at cold temperatures.
I have a AWD, do not have Winters on them, but have considered that it would be better. However, I am not in an area that has heavy snow---otherwise Winter Tires would be the call.
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People don't understand the importance of winter tires until they use a set and experience the difference... even on cold dry pavement they stop better because the tire compound doesn't freeze and get rock hard.
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