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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 11-11-2013, 01:58 PM
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That would just not be an offering on a regular 3 series. I think you have become spoiled lol.
I wasn't expecting alcantara on the f30. Though, of course, the 2003-2006 BMW 330i with performance package (not even an m3) offered alcantara seats, steering wheel, shift boot, and parking brake boot.

But I would never expect an f30 to offer upgraded materials in the same league. That would make me spoiled.



All kidding aside, I'm excited the m3 is going to offer a leather interior option. If the dash, center console, and doors are done in leather....the f30 is going to fix one of my few real flaws with it.
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Are you referring to the trim?

I got the red coral and Burl Walnut wood trim. I'm not certain I love the combination. I loved the red, and thought the other trim options would either not match or would look cheap on a 55k car. However, the wood looks expensive, but I'm not sure it matches. I'm considering going for the M performance carbon fiber black trim. However, I am leasing, and I'm not certain it's necessary. I may be able to grow to like the wood.

P.S. because of your pictures from the Welt, I'm thinking my next car will be Alpine White.
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This is very disappointing since I have a 428i Msport on order
Also, in my opinion, I'm not sure the word "cheap" is accurate. It looks very pedestrian and it doesn't necessarily excite. However, it doesn't look like they are doing what some lower level cars do, which is putting cheap looking things on the interior that are supposed to be chrome but aren't.

The inside of the cars seem just passable. I think they look like they lack pizzaz and they don't give a wow factor when you sit down inside. I guess, what I'm saying is that they are somewhere between cheap and expensive.

However, for me, it was fine. If i wanted to buy a car just to feel luxurious on the inside, I would have gone and got a Benz.

I wanted a driving machine first and foremost that just needed to look cool enough on the inside.

In some ways, BMW's understated interior keeps the focus off the bling and gadgets and right on the road, where it should be, IMHO.
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:06 PM
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I've heard this argument a few times now and I am not understanding the justification, I have the dark burl wood trim on mine (Didn't care for the feel of the hexagonal aluminum) and I feel it is light years over the previous generation as far as fit and finish... I have heard no rattles, no creaks, and I love the new iDrive controller.
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:16 PM
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I agree. At $115k what car make and model today do you think its interior is justified. I looked at the E63 AMG and it was very nice. It even had a classy IWC clock on the dash. It just felt like an older gentleman's car though. The aluminum buttons is a nice touch in the MB. Porsche has a nice interior, but when I price up a panamera with full leather and high-end trim pieces, it is well over the BMW. If you want performance + high-end interior, you'd have to shell out $130k+.

The S6/S7/RS cars have nice interiors, but you can't get a full leather option and has miles of plastic. At least in the BMW and Mercedes you can cover the dash and plastic surfaces with full leather.

I vote the new S-class as an interior deserving of the car's cost.


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We had a 2004 Mercedes S600 12 cylinder sedan that had a beautiful interior with top quality chrome accents even surrounding the door lock mechanism, alcantera headliner, beautifully matched wood trim, and top quality complete leather interior, etc. The knobs and switch buttons were even surrounded with top level chrome. I have not seen the new S Series interior but I would hope it's nice. I don't like all of the plastic crap they now use on the exterior including their grills, however.

I like my Porsche interior that is simply laid out using quality materials (except for my center console lid). It reminds me of the way German car interiors used to be designed and made. The new Porsches including the Panamera have become more plasticy, IMO.
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:20 PM
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I wasn't expecting alcantara on the f30. Though, of course, the 2003-2006 BMW 330i with performance package (not even an m3) offered alcantara seats, steering wheel, shift boot, and parking brake boot.

But I would never expect an f30 to offer upgraded materials in the same league. That would make me spoiled.



All kidding aside, I'm excited the m3 is going to offer a leather interior option. If the dash, center console, and doors are done in leather....the f30 is going to fix one of my few real flaws with it.
To be fair, the F30 is too new to offer something like the ZHP. In Canada, they are doing it already and that model comes with the Alcantara bits. In the meantime, it's all there for you A La Carte.
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Old 11-11-2013, 04:14 PM
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I was at the BMW dealer today getting our E90 M3 serviced. They have a new M5 on display in the showroom so I went over to take a look. The sticker was $115,000+. Nice looking car but the interior was also not up to that price level.

I started thinking what I would get for about the same money if I needed a fun sedan. I decided it would be better to get an S4 and an M3. Wait, that's what we have in our stable already!
Most probably it did not have the Full Leather option.
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Old 11-11-2013, 04:31 PM
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I attended a launch party for the 4-series, x5, and 328gt this past weekend held by Ottos BMW. Nice event, really done up right. I think I made $50 back from Ottos on the amount of liquor and food I consumed
So, lemme get this right....Otto's charged you $50 for booze + horse overies?

>SNIFF!<

Those bastards still owe me $100 for maintenance they did some time back. Swearing I was drag racing my new bike, they charged me for clutch replacement while still under warranty. But - suprise! - while my bike was in their shop, BMW came up with a recall due to defective clutch design. Problem? Exactly what happened to me.

Like I said, they still owe me $100 not refunded....shortly after, BMW pulled their franchise to sell bikes - complaints were at that point bypassing Otto's - customers were complaining to BMW engineering directly about quality of service and bad workmanship, and complaints were many.

Do with this what you will....pass it on if you like....I know I did not return.

And now, not-so-unbelieveably, they get ya drunk for a $50 show. Dude, they charged you for advertising! Hope the sales babe was killer.


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Old 11-11-2013, 07:25 PM
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Cal, perhaps you might re-read what I wrote. They charged me nothing, I feel like I earned back $50 by eating and drinking their food in such quantities as I pursued.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:26 PM
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We had a 2004 Mercedes S600 12 cylinder sedan that had a beautiful interior with top quality chrome accents even surrounding the door lock mechanism, alcantera headliner, beautifully matched wood trim, and top quality complete leather interior, etc. The knobs and switch buttons were even surrounded with top level chrome. I have not seen the new S Series interior but I would hope it's nice. I don't like all of the plastic crap they now use on the exterior including their grills, however.

I like my Porsche interior that is simply laid out using quality materials (except for my center console lid). It reminds me of the way German car interiors used to be designed and made. The new Porsches including the Panamera have become more plasticy, IMO.
There you go - that's what I call a luxury interior.



and the AMG version

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This is what's keeping me away from a 4 Series consideration (I'll check one out closely in person today). I detest the cheapening of the F30 interior and found it very upsetting that BMW would market a "4 Series" yet use an EXACT duplicate of the IMO underwhelming 3 interior.

M-B has been using cheap plastics lately, however with the initial images of the next-gen C Class (granted as usual with M-B lately, the real-life feel of the materials aren't much cheaper than what the pictures insinuate), BMW's 3/4 Series insides are going to look far and away on the downside. IMO the 3/4 interiors took none of the rich, elegant and refined luxury characteristics that the 5/6/7 (who the 5 and 6 IMO are tops in their classes) share, as the larger and smaller chassis Bimmers seem to have interiors from entirely different manufacturers from each other.

Other than that, the 4 Series looks very promising. To each their own.
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There you go - that's what I call a luxury interior.



and the AMG version

Yes, and cudose to Mercedes for maintaining this level of luxury in their S Series.

I just wish Mercedes went back to using polished stainless steel and chrome on their emblem, grill and other exterior brite work, especially on their S Series. The plastic parts just sends the wrong message, IMO.
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I'm hoping an f30 LCI would address a variety of interior materials.

For example, BMW made the e60 from 2004-2007 and the interior materials and design had some....questionable...elements.

In 2008 they made some relatively minor changes, but which added up to a better design and materials look and feel.
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I'm hoping an f30 LCI would address a variety of interior materials.

For example, BMW made the e60 from 2004-2007 and the interior materials and design had some....questionable...elements.

In 2008 they made some relatively minor changes, but which added up to a better design and materials look and feel.
They did the same interior material upgrades with the E90 within a year of introduction. And then recession hit and they relentlessly decontented the E90.
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They did the same interior material upgrades with the E90 within a year of introduction. And then recession hit and they relentlessly decontented the E90.
Huh, I don't remember the 2007-2008 e90 interior getting notably better than the 2006. I'll take your word for it though, did not know that.
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Huh, I don't remember the 2007-2008 e90 interior getting notably better than the 2006. I'll take your word for it though, did not know that.
Minor upgrades in 2007 after a long 2006 -hard plastics grain/feel/looks, mostly. It was pretty much at the same time of the E60 LCI/E92 introduction.
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Minor upgrades in 2007 after a long 2006 -hard plastics grain/feel/looks, mostly. It was pretty much at the same time of the E60 LCI/E92 introduction.
I remember reading that the soft plastic parts had peeling issues. I think they changed suppliers in 2007-08. Our 2008 E60 interior has been holding up fine.
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I remember reading that the soft plastic parts had peeling issues. I think they changed suppliers in 2007-08. Our 2008 E60 interior has been holding up fine.
Correct... I remember looking at the 2006 E90 at a BMW driving event back on 2005 and noticing the same lackluster texture-coated hard plastics of the pre-LCI E60. Then by the time I got my 2008 M3 all those plastics were gone.
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Interior materials and design in luxury cars seems fairly uniform these days - what they giveth in a nicely padded and well appointed seat, they taketh away in the odd cheap switchgear or flimsy cup holder.

My wife's 2007 M35X is an upgrade over my W210 Mercedes E320; better wood, leather, more nicely appointed. The Merc has fabulous old-school rocker switches though and really nice door cards.

My E46 ZHP has a wonderful interior save for the rotary headlight light switch, which feels light and cheap.

Of all the things you'd think automobile manufacturers would have figured out by now, it'd be the interiors of their cars So many available materials for home and furniture that are inexpensive, durable and high end, yet automakers are still hard up on hard plastics and cheapening out the cheaper lines - have you been inside a Mini? Gasp ....
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Cal, perhaps you might re-read what I wrote. They charged me nothing, I feel like I earned back $50 by eating and drinking their food in such quantities as I pursued.

That's as it should be - and that $3700 invoice? What was that for?

Whatever it was, delighted.


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Old 11-12-2013, 08:31 AM
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Regarding the plastic looking metal trim you saw on the 4 series, was it the "aluminum hexagon trim"? Assuming they haven't changed it/cheapened it, I have the same thing in my e92 and I think its pretty nice. Cool to the the touch (so real metal), and nice detailing. Also doesn't show fingerprints or get scratched up like other inteiror trims would.

I haven't spent a lot of time examining an F30/32 interior, but my first impression was that it seemed nicer than my e92-- mostly i think i just find the design more pleasing. And they addressed 2 of my pet peeves-- the super cheap looking overhead console on the e90/92 and the smooth hard plastic used on the side of the seats. In exchange, they've introduced that silver painted plastic all over the place (on the Msport wheel atleast, but also on the base "no line" trim), and it sounds like some parts bend/creak when pressed now. Atlast the e90 was failry solid if you poked and prodded around.

I'm not sure whether BMW 3 series inteirors get "cheaper' or if they just move the cheapness around. Heres' my anal run down:
-e46: best interior design and best dash plastic, but lots of cheap feeling platic in the center console. Rattled and creaked from new. Headlight switch was cheap. Liked the precise feel of the door handles (no play). Nice glove box door mechanism. Uncovered metal seat tracks look cheap. Cheap plastic used on side of seats. Nice feeling radio/climate buttons. Seats are uncomofrtable after 2 hours or so. Crappily finished trunk.
-e90: Boring dash design, terrible overhead console, but pretty much no creaks or rattles. Same issue with seat tracks. Same cheap plastic on seat side. Better headlight switch, worse feeling radio/climate buttons but passable. Block orange 80s font used all over the place starting to look dated/cheap. Idrive controller feels high quality. Headrests atleast in LCI don't tilt and no seatback nets. Excellent seats...could drive all day long. Same crappy leather. Crappily finished trunk.
-F30: Better interior design but not as nice as e46, Crappy "silver satin" trim applied liberally, better overhead lights/console. Poorly integrated idrive screen, with some cheap plastics. Seatback nets and tilt headrests make a return. Same crappy leather. Drove one but was distracted my light steering and didnt notice if it rattled/creaked. Trunk uses slightly better looking carpet, but maybe thats my imagination. Better looking gauge cluster with no use of blocky orange font (climate control is still a slight offender though). Slightly better finished seat rails (I think they now have end caps on the rails so its not just an unfished piece of metal). Better looking/integrated climate and preset buttons. So I guess they've done a better job at (for me atleast) at hiding the cheapness.

The only new car interiors that I've been totally impressed with are Porsches. They feel solid, well designed, and even without the extra leather options they feel well made and use nice plastic. Then again, they should for the price. With Audis i'm impressed at first and then when I poke around I find similar amounts of cheapness (in different places) as with BMW. Honda interiors feel like they'll hold up the best and have the nicest feeling knobs. Ok, I also like the Mercedes SLS gullwing interior but thats 200k+!
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Honda interiors feel like they'll hold up the best and have the nicest feeling knobs. Ok, I also like the Mercedes SLS gullwing interior but thats 200k+!
Of the four Hondas we owned, the 92 Accord LX had the best interior hands down. Seats were strong, dash was black and well finished with really nice switchgear, gauges were precise and well laid out. It was Honda's best quality iteration of that car - had four wheel double wishbone suspension, too.

My 87 Accord was the runner up - strong interior - high grade seat, switchgear and dash materials built for the long haul.
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Of the four Hondas we owned, the 92 Accord LX had the best interior hands down. Seats were strong, dash was black and well finished with really nice switchgear, gauges were precise and well laid out. It was Honda's best quality iteration of that car - had four wheel double wishbone suspension, too.

My 87 Accord was the runner up - strong interior - high grade seat, switchgear and dash materials built for the long haul.
My best friend in high school had an 87 Accord LXi with a stick. Always admired that car...it had a tight, low almost sports car feeling. Really held the road nicely...probably more of a "sports sedan" than the the current crop of germans.
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My best friend in high school had an 87 Accord LXi with a stick. Always admired that car...it had a tight, low almost sports car feeling. Really held the road nicely...probably more of a "sports sedan" than the the current crop of germans.
Well, yeah. Lower, more greenhouse, 2568 pounds, smaller, and less electronic interference between road and driver. Of course it was a better car
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