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E36 (1991 - 1999)
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Old 11-14-2013, 11:30 AM
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Oh btw, this interval fits in well with replacing your airbags, which is every 10 years! So add that to the list.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:35 PM
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Yeah, perhaps this cooling system debate has gone on for long enough. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would take issue with spending $400 every 75-100k miles, when doing so virtually eliminates the biggest trouble area with the E36. Regardless, Zaluss seems to understand why it makes sense to perform this preventive maintenance, so that's good. If you treat an E36 well, it will last forever.
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Ya, instead of people like me that don't give a shi* about them right. I guess mine will only last not even half as long. Like I said, if you can't keep an eye on your temp gauge, its all pointless anyways because even new parts have defects.
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Oh btw, this interval fits in well with replacing your airbags, which is every 10 years! So add that to the list.


Yeah I'm done.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:14 PM
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I'm serious, read up on it! You can't argue someone taking preventative measures to save the life of you and your passenger right? AND you only have to do it every 10 years, can't argue with that right? Or maybe you can cause it wasn't your idea.
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:44 AM
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Brief update:

Attempted to fix the drivers side door window. Turns out there are two outstanding problems:

1) The window guide that bolts onto the window and moves along the rail was missing but thankfully found on the bottom of the door. I reattached this to the window.
2) I broke the set of clips I ordered after putting it back together. When the window raises up, it binds on the right and caused the clip to break. I did grease the clips and slides but either its bent somewhere or I need to grease all the scissor components as well. I ordered another set of clips (6 this time) while examining the passenger side door for reference as it works perfectly.

Also having a hard time sourcing a midpipe. All I could find was OBD1 reasonably priced and from what I've read I want OBD2. I noticed though the OBD1 has 1 02 sensor vs the OBD2 has a pre and post cat sensor. My 323is only has 1 02 sensor so will I have to just plug the other one or should I get the OBD1 midpipe? I found a totaled M3 convertible but the guy wanted $800 for the midpipe. Crazy.
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:51 AM
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Ya I had the same problem with my driver side window, I wasn't too happy to see that its just those plastic pieces that slide back and forth in the rail.

You have a '99 and in total you only have 1 02 sensor? I don't know anything about the engines in the 323's, but mine has 4 02 sensors as I have 2 cats.
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:54 AM
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Ya I had the same problem with my driver side window, I wasn't too happy to see that its just those plastic pieces that slide back and forth in the rail.

You have a '99 and in total you only have 1 02 sensor? I don't know anything about the engines in the 323's, but mine has 4 02 sensors as I have 2 cats.
Yeah stupid window.



The 323is has the M52 (I think thats the name) motor from the 328 with a lower stroke and lower displacement combined with a more restrictive exhaust and intentionally tuned down. I've examined underneath and only saw one 02 sensor pre cat. As you can see unlike the 325/8/M that its single pipe vs the dual pipe.
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Old 11-28-2013, 09:57 AM
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Haha wow, looks like you're right. In that case I don't see any reason why you couldn't just plug whatever exhaust you order with old o'2 sensors, and just cut the wires off if you want. Or if you can find a matching bolt, whatever is easiest.

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Old 11-28-2013, 12:01 PM
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Also having a hard time sourcing a midpipe. All I could find was OBD1 reasonably priced and from what I've read I want OBD2. I noticed though the OBD1 has 1 02 sensor vs the OBD2 has a pre and post cat sensor. My 323is only has 1 02 sensor so will I have to just plug the other one or should I get the OBD1 midpipe? I found a totaled M3 convertible but the guy wanted $800 for the midpipe. Crazy.
Do not be tempted by those OBD I mid-pipes, they are going to be more trouble than there worth. Your 323 IS does not have one O2 sensor, it has 2 of them. There is one before the cat and one after it. When you get your 328/m3 exhaust you are going to put one O2 sensor in the header and the other one in the mid-pipe after the cat. On each header there the hole for an oxygen sensor with a plug in it. You are going to remove one of these plugs and put an oxygen sensor in that hole. Then you are going use the plug you just got in the extra O2 hole in your mid-pipe. Lastly stick an O2 sensor in the free hole on the mid-pipe and you are done.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:37 PM
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Do not be tempted by those OBD I mid-pipes, they are going to be more trouble than there worth. Your 323 IS does not have one O2 sensor, it has 2 of them. There is one before the cat and one after it. When you get your 328/m3 exhaust you are going to put one O2 sensor in the header and the other one in the mid-pipe after the cat. On each header there the hole for an oxygen sensor with a plug in it. You are going to remove one of these plugs and put an oxygen sensor in that hole. Then you are going use the plug you just got in the extra O2 hole in your mid-pipe. Lastly stick an O2 sensor in the free hole on the mid-pipe and you are done.
Your right. I've been researching and it may just be worthwhile to buy it new.

I found a few options:

http://www.bavauto.com/shop.asp $630

http://www.partsgeek.com/v3c2bd4-bmw...converter.html $363

The bosal looks more appealing because of the five year warranty (and half the price) vs the two year on the DEC but I can't find much in terms of information on bosal or the quality.
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Old 12-11-2013, 05:49 AM
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I'm in the middle of repairing the drivers side window. After removing the window completely and reinserting it into the rubber window guide, replacing the slide clips, and using white lithium grease it seems to have fixed it and properly slides up and down. The issue I'm having now is that the roller guide that moves along the rail is missing something in the middle itself. There are two holes in the glass that should have a thread insert that I'm missing that bolts the roller guide to the glass but realoem is unclear on what I'm looking for. It seems impossible to use a bolt and nut while the window is mounted so this is what I need:


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Old 12-22-2013, 05:07 PM
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I finally sourced a guy parting out a 328i locally. I picked up a window with the hardware + a midpipe w/ 02 sensors for $100!


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Old 12-22-2013, 05:36 PM
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I do not see a 328 muffler in the pictures. Did you already get one form somewhere else?
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Old 12-22-2013, 05:37 PM
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I haven't sourced that yet. Sadly the car I pulled it from was rear ended and took the muffler with it. Thankfully it seems like I have plenty of choices. I see M3 mufflers all day long for less than $100. I may go that route or aftermarket.
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Old 12-23-2013, 06:59 AM
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I think its to bad that this guy posts a few pictures of his car and specify's a few things he wants to repair or replace and he ends up in the middle of an internet argument. kind of sad.

I'm happy so see another enthusiast on the forum. welcome. I love the color man! good luck on all the work ahead of you, subscribed !
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:09 AM
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I think its to bad that this guy posts a few pictures of his car and specify's a few things he wants to repair or replace and he ends up in the middle of an internet argument. kind of sad.

I'm happy so see another enthusiast on the forum. welcome. I love the color man! good luck on all the work ahead of you, subscribed !
+1. I will never call someone out for wanting to do preventative maintenance. Most people don't care enough, so someone who might care too much? Go for it.

OP, the car looks pretty good - love the paint color! Looks like Topaz Blue? I almost bought one that color (another 323, ironically enough) about a year ago, but it was pretty busted so I decided to pass. Yours sounds like a good level of "cared for" and "project status" - enjoy it!
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:50 AM
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I think its to bad that this guy posts a few pictures of his car and specify's a few things he wants to repair or replace and he ends up in the middle of an internet argument. kind of sad.

I'm happy so see another enthusiast on the forum. welcome. I love the color man! good luck on all the work ahead of you, subscribed !
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:44 AM
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Nice pick up. That should open up a lot of doors for potential cat-backs.
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Old 12-23-2013, 05:35 PM
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Old 02-01-2014, 11:33 AM
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Been awhile since I've touched the car but I finally picked up a used M3 catback for $40 so I set to replace the midpipe today. I managed to get it off but I discovered the previous owner left me a little surprise broken stud as well as a valve cover gasket leak!


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Are these studs pressed in? Looks like I have enough to grip.
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No, they screw in. Save yourself some misery and find a torch. Not a little propane torch. An actual acetylene or MAPP torch. Heat the flange holding the studs, not the stud itself. Good luck.

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No, they screw in. Save yourself some misery and find a torch. Not a little propane torch. An actual acetylene or MAPP torch. Heat the flange holding the studs, not the stud itself. Good luck.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/...2520%2520%2520
Thanks! I currently have it soaking in PB blaster while I explore some options. I went ahead and ordered this http://www.amazon.com/Titan-Stud-Pul.../dp/B00265M8N4 based on some recommendations before I go out and buy a MAPP torch. We'll see how it goes.
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I wish you luck with that. Remember, if/when the remains of the stud snap off even with the flange, the manifold has to come off to get it drilled out. Some very few people have successfully drilled out a stud or two with the manifold still in place, but the risk is even higher. Snap a drill off in the hole and you're in big trouble. Snap off a screw extractor (horribly misnamed as an "Easy-Out") and you'll be hunting a machine shop to remove the remains, or looking for a replacement manifold.
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No, they screw in. Save yourself some misery and find a torch. Not a little propane torch. An actual acetylene or MAPP torch. Heat the flange holding the studs, not the stud itself. Good luck.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/...2520%2520%2520
I checked today and felt the back. Looks like it IS press fitted and tack welded on the rear.

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I wish you luck with that. Remember, if/when the remains of the stud snap off even with the flange, the manifold has to come off to get it drilled out. Some very few people have successfully drilled out a stud or two with the manifold still in place, but the risk is even higher. Snap a drill off in the hole and you're in big trouble. Snap off a screw extractor (horribly misnamed as an "Easy-Out") and you'll be hunting a machine shop to remove the remains, or looking for a replacement manifold.
Looks like I'm drilling it out afterall
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Old 02-15-2014, 01:59 PM
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Update: Finally got it her in today!


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looks like you got yourself a valve cover leak there mister, studs look great though good job!
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