Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 3 Series / 4 Series > F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 (2012 - current)

F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 (2012 - current)
The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-15-2013, 11:22 AM
Jp23rockstar Jp23rockstar is offline
Registered User
Location: Rhode Island
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 76
Mein Auto: Unknown
What car to choose from ATS, A4, 3 Series?

I want your guys opinions on the best lease deals for these cars. I know BMW tends to have really good lease deals. The ATS lacks back headroom in case I needed to take friends. The A4 is a VW with wood grain and the reliability leaves a lot to be desired. The 3 series does everything well from performance, mpg, ease of use for audio controls. I hear the new i drive works very well unlike CUE in Cadillac. I would also go with the 8sp auto.
Reply With Quote
Ads by Google
  #2  
Old 11-15-2013, 11:25 AM
Jamesonsviggen Jamesonsviggen is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: NJ
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,205
Mein Auto: '98 M E36/7:'13 F30 RWD
Of the 3 cars I give the edge to the 3 series. The ATS drives a bit more sporting in terms of handling and steering but comes with drawbacks. The A4 is too long in the tooth and reliability is a big concern.

But to buy, a base ATS 2.0T with a manual has a lot going for it in terms of bang for the buck.
__________________
'98 M Roadster+'06 Saab 9-5 Combi 5mt
'11 Saab 9-3 XWD
'13 M-Sport 328i 6mt FOR SALE


E36/7: Dinan/RMS stage 2+ blower@13lbs of BOOST! 18" BBS LM's, too much more to list
F30: ForgeStar F14 19's summer-OZ Superleggera 17's winter/Rogue Catback/Integral Audio/AFE intake scoop/BMS stage 1
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-15-2013, 11:35 AM
cheikh82's Avatar
cheikh82 cheikh82 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: New York
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 405
Mein Auto: 2008 535i.F30 335i
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jp23rockstar View Post
I want your guys opinions on the best lease deals for these cars. I know BMW tends to have really good lease deals. The ATS lacks back headroom in case I needed to take friends. The A4 is a VW with wood grain and the reliability leaves a lot to be desired. The 3 series does everything well from performance, mpg, ease of use for audio controls. I hear the new i drive works very well unlike CUE in Cadillac. I would also go with the 8sp auto.
Seems like you are already set on the F30 based on what you wrote.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-15-2013, 11:38 AM
Michael Schott Michael Schott is offline
Moderator
Location: Farmington Hills, MI
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,095
Mein Auto: 2014 328i Sport Line MT
When you make comments like the A4 being a VW with wood grain you hurt your credibility. It shares nothing other than some of the drivetrain with any VW. And Audi reliability is much better recently.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-15-2013, 12:01 PM
Dippydo Dippydo is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Eden Prairie
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 680
Mein Auto: 2012 F30
I would say go with a 3 series, but I might be biased...
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-15-2013, 12:06 PM
SilverX3's Avatar
SilverX3 SilverX3 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Australia
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,931
Mein Auto: 130i & E92 325i, E90 SOLD
Ats f30 possibly on the same line

A4 is old now (5-6 years platform) and soft ride
__________________
Residence - StarTrek Enterprise
Job - Captain
Current Starship Fleet:
06 130i - ROCK SOLID Performer
07 320i - SOLD
08 E92 325i - Blue SOLD
Bicycles: Giant TCR Advanced Zero SOLD, Argon 18 Krypton, Argon 18E114, Trek Madone COMING
BOUGHT : MY11.5 X1 Xdrive25i

New car... Estoril Blue Car
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-15-2013, 12:08 PM
SilverX3's Avatar
SilverX3 SilverX3 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Australia
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,931
Mein Auto: 130i & E92 325i, E90 SOLD
Check out new IS250 or 350. Its very good too
__________________
Residence - StarTrek Enterprise
Job - Captain
Current Starship Fleet:
06 130i - ROCK SOLID Performer
07 320i - SOLD
08 E92 325i - Blue SOLD
Bicycles: Giant TCR Advanced Zero SOLD, Argon 18 Krypton, Argon 18E114, Trek Madone COMING
BOUGHT : MY11.5 X1 Xdrive25i

New car... Estoril Blue Car
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-15-2013, 12:22 PM
Christos Christos is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Central NJ
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 223
Mein Auto: 335i Coupe
Audi's reliability is far superior to BMW. It's documented. I agree the A4 is getting long in the tooth though. ATS drives great but is a Cadillac. I guess you're looking for a sedan?
__________________
2014 428I MSPORT on order, Currently driving a 2011 Audi S4,
previously owned BMW's, 2008 Space Grey/Black 335i Coupe, 2007 328xi sedan, 2002 325i sedan, 1996 318ti (loved this little car)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-15-2013, 12:51 PM
Jealousofmywife's Avatar
Jealousofmywife Jealousofmywife is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Usa
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 285
Mein Auto: Mazda
What car to choose from ATS, A4, 3 Series?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverX3 View Post
Check out new IS250 or 350. Its very good too
...Unless you're over 6'.
The roofline is very low!


Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-15-2013, 01:06 PM
carrix carrix is offline
Registered User
Location: USA
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 39
Mein Auto: BMW
What car to choose from ATS, A4, 3 Series?

Get the 2014 CTS vsport. What a car! It completely changed my notion about Cadillac.


Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-15-2013, 01:09 PM
Jamesonsviggen Jamesonsviggen is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: NJ
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,205
Mein Auto: '98 M E36/7:'13 F30 RWD
Quote:
Originally Posted by carrix View Post
Get the 2014 CTS vsport. What a car! It completely changed my notion about Cadillac.


Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
$60k, different size and class of car than what the OP mentioned.
__________________
'98 M Roadster+'06 Saab 9-5 Combi 5mt
'11 Saab 9-3 XWD
'13 M-Sport 328i 6mt FOR SALE


E36/7: Dinan/RMS stage 2+ blower@13lbs of BOOST! 18" BBS LM's, too much more to list
F30: ForgeStar F14 19's summer-OZ Superleggera 17's winter/Rogue Catback/Integral Audio/AFE intake scoop/BMS stage 1
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-15-2013, 01:12 PM
CALWATERBOY's Avatar
CALWATERBOY CALWATERBOY is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: San Francisco
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 10,009
Mein Auto: 2009 E93 N54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Schott View Post
When you make comments like the A4 being a VW with wood grain you hurt your credibility. It shares nothing other than some of the drivetrain with any VW. And Audi reliability is much better recently.

TRUE! OP, you mentioning nothing of the badge change either.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-15-2013, 01:55 PM
LegendsNeverDie LegendsNeverDie is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: NJ
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 887
Mein Auto: BMW 328i SP
Check out the ATS Performance 2.0T. 2013 models were selling for well under 40K, which is a lot of car for the money. If it was up to me I would go with the 328 M sport or ATS Performance turbo.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-15-2013, 01:55 PM
LegendsNeverDie LegendsNeverDie is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: NJ
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 887
Mein Auto: BMW 328i SP
Quote:
Originally Posted by carrix View Post
Get the 2014 CTS vsport. What a car! It completely changed my notion about Cadillac.


Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
It is a nice car BUT it also costs about 60K.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-15-2013, 02:19 PM
CALWATERBOY's Avatar
CALWATERBOY CALWATERBOY is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: San Francisco
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 10,009
Mein Auto: 2009 E93 N54
Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendsNeverDie View Post
It is a nice car BUT it also costs about 60K.

Well! So's a teeny weenie BMW.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-15-2013, 02:22 PM
heliochrome85's Avatar
heliochrome85 heliochrome85 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Columbia, SC
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 532
Send a message via AIM to heliochrome85 Send a message via Skype™ to heliochrome85
Mein Auto: 2011 Kia Optima EX
Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendsNeverDie View Post
Check out the ATS Performance 2.0T. 2013 models were selling for well under 40K, which is a lot of car for the money. If it was up to me I would go with the 328 M sport or ATS Performance turbo.

I loved the ATS, but I loved the 3 a bit more. The ATS is a wonderful car, and the cadillacs weve owned have been fantastic. Far more enjoyable ownership than say the one lexus we bought.

The IS350 was a bit too small for me. and I HATED the visible zippers on the outside of the front seatbacks. Overall thoug, the consensus is that the Audi is the worst of the lot, being that it is the oldest. Otherwise, you cant go wrong with any of the cars youve mentioned.
__________________

2007 Infiniti G35 Sport Coupe- Athens Blue/Slate--"Lola" SOLD (8-8-08)
2011 Kia Optima EX - Black Cherry/Cream

2014 BMW 328i Sport - Estoril Blue II/Black
- ED Pick Up 11/4/13 - PICS
- ED Drop Off 11/6/13
- PCD Re-Delivery: 1/13/14

BMWCCA #434165
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-15-2013, 02:28 PM
jjcruiser's Avatar
jjcruiser jjcruiser is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Los Angeles
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 386
Mein Auto: Awaiting delivery
Did you actually drive these cars?

I've never driven the CTS but I've driven the STS; and I've driven multiple 3ers and the A4 and IS250 and 350; also the Infiniti G37. Personally the only other sedan I drove than the 3 series that I liked was the C-class, and they don't make that in a MT anymore.

The point is that they felt very different and your subjective taste may be different than mine. If one of these cars feels just right to you and another feels like an angry walrus, is that really worth saving $12 a month on a slightly better lease deal, for whichever car that might be?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11-15-2013, 02:46 PM
CALWATERBOY's Avatar
CALWATERBOY CALWATERBOY is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: San Francisco
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 10,009
Mein Auto: 2009 E93 N54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jp23rockstar View Post
I want your guys opinions on the best lease deals for these cars. I know BMW tends to have really good lease deals. The ATS lacks back headroom in case I needed to take friends. The A4 is a VW with wood grain and the reliability leaves a lot to be desired. The 3 series does everything well from performance, mpg, ease of use for audio controls. I hear the new i drive works very well unlike CUE in Cadillac. I would also go with the 8sp auto.

Those of sophistication and taste will discount Cadillac and Audi - poseurs as those products are.

Informed buyers will this weekend be visiting their nearest Jaguar showroom, requesting time with THIS CAT. If you follow suit, do not be dissuaded by a lease rate or residual value - those are the priority of a bargain hunter, and not the sort of customer BMW wishes to attract, or Jaguar.


Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 11-15-2013, 02:55 PM
07 E63650i's Avatar
07 E63650i 07 E63650i is offline
Living in Fast Forward
Location: Southern California, USA
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,963
Mein Auto: 2007 BMW E63 650i
What car to choose from ATS, A4, 3 Series?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY View Post
Those of sophistication and taste will discount Cadillac and Audi - poseurs as those products are.

Informed buyers will this weekend be visiting their nearest Jaguar showroom, requesting time with THIS CAT. If you follow suit, do not be dissuaded by a lease rate or residual value - those are the priority of a bargain hunter, and not the sort of customer BMW wishes to attract, or Jaguar.


Got that right


Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
__________________
Once a 6'er, always a 6'er.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 11-15-2013, 03:12 PM
Dr. 328xi's Avatar
Dr. 328xi Dr. 328xi is offline
xDriver
Location: Chicago
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 512
Mein Auto: 2013 328xi Sport Line
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jp23rockstar View Post
I want your guys opinions on the best lease deals for these cars. I know BMW tends to have really good lease deals. The ATS lacks back headroom in case I needed to take friends. The A4 is a VW with wood grain and the reliability leaves a lot to be desired. The 3 series does everything well from performance, mpg, ease of use for audio controls. I hear the new i drive works very well unlike CUE in Cadillac. I would also go with the 8sp auto.
I just made a pretty similar decision as yours this summer, and chose a 328 over an A4. (I didn't even look at the Cadillac...not really my thing.)

Obviously, I chose the 328 since I'm here posting about it, but it was a tough decision.

My prior car was an Audi A3, which I had for 7 years, and reliability was never a concern with that car. Audis from the last several years are much more reliable than they were in the 1990s and earlier. That said, if your impression of Audi is "a VW with wood grain" then you're obviously not really interested anyway, so pull the trigger on the BMW and enjoy!
__________________

| 2013 BMW xDrive | Sport Line | Sapphire Black | Dakota Black/Red Leather |
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 11-15-2013, 03:22 PM
Theride Theride is offline
Registered User
Location: NY
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 25
Mein Auto: 528I
...and BMWs are reliable?
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 11-15-2013, 03:55 PM
av98's Avatar
av98 av98 is offline
ZHP = Patlabor
Location: SF Bay Area
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,340
Mein Auto: Mini Clubmn,Odyssey,Miata
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Schott View Post
When you make comments like the A4 being a VW with wood grain you hurt your credibility. It shares nothing other than some of the drivetrain with any VW. And Audi reliability is much better recently.
You've obviously never been in the recent VW Passat or driven it. Basically an Audi A4 w/o the luxury trimming. Drives the same, uses the same chassis and engine. OP is not that far off in describing the A4 but it's more than just the wood trim.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 11-15-2013, 03:56 PM
av98's Avatar
av98 av98 is offline
ZHP = Patlabor
Location: SF Bay Area
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,340
Mein Auto: Mini Clubmn,Odyssey,Miata
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theride View Post
...and BMWs are reliable?
Of course, when you lease it's covered for the life of the lease on almost everything that goes wrong with it. BMW will cover you 4/50K.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 11-15-2013, 04:10 PM
SilverX3's Avatar
SilverX3 SilverX3 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Australia
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,931
Mein Auto: 130i & E92 325i, E90 SOLD
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christos View Post
Audi's reliability is far superior to BMW. It's documented.
maybe more reliable than E9x

F30 too early to tell

with this story... Don't think I buy VW/Audi

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...115-2xlp8.html
__________________
Residence - StarTrek Enterprise
Job - Captain
Current Starship Fleet:
06 130i - ROCK SOLID Performer
07 320i - SOLD
08 E92 325i - Blue SOLD
Bicycles: Giant TCR Advanced Zero SOLD, Argon 18 Krypton, Argon 18E114, Trek Madone COMING
BOUGHT : MY11.5 X1 Xdrive25i

New car... Estoril Blue Car

Last edited by SilverX3; 11-15-2013 at 04:13 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 11-15-2013, 04:21 PM
Theride Theride is offline
Registered User
Location: NY
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 25
Mein Auto: 528I
Quote:
Originally Posted by av98 View Post
Of course, when you lease it's covered for the life of the lease on almost everything that goes wrong with it. BMW will cover you 4/50K.
lol so bmw is reliable SOMEWHAT. ummm ok.

I purchased a low mileage 2005 x5 4.8is....57k miles purchased in june of this year. Since then...i had to replace the alternator, both front suspension bags, left door carrier(wouldnt open from outside). My side mirrors wont dip in reverse, nor will they fold. My mechanic says I may need to replace the rear suspension bags soon and I have replaced both axle boot. I may need a new rear light because im getting the "check brake light"...which isnt a bulb issue, but because bmw used a crappy design on the taillights. I changed the oil in june, drove about 5k miles and im getting a low engine oil message. I havent even gone into the "big" things thats common among these x5.

so when i hear someone say audis are unreliable, i have to laugh. i have also owned a 1998 5 series, which was a pain as well.

As far as im concerned, no german or british vehicle is reliable. The most reliable vehicle ive owned is my current 2009 subaru legacy. i HAVE HAD NO ISSUES with it. Never left me stranded.

im currently weighing the option of getting a 320 in stick and get rid of the truck or both vehicle since this car will be new and under warranty. I have come to accept german vehicles for what they are. Only the new IS i would chose over the 3 series but they dont come in manual.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > 3 Series / 4 Series > F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 (2012 - current)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:07 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms