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Old 12-04-2013, 08:51 AM
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2006 325i Auxiliary Input Issues

Hi All,

I've spent the last 2 days searching all the posts about ANYTHING related to the Aux Input, and haven't been able to find anything quite like what I'm experiencing. I haven't gotten through all the posts, but I've run out of time, and need to leave on a business trip. Hopefully someone can help.

I have a 2006 325i. I just bought it a few weeks ago, and I've run into some serious discrepencies in what I actually have in the car, and what the build sheet says I should have had in the car. The car was a one owner car from Chicago, that was traded in, in Chicago (not sure which dealership). The car was then sent to dealer auction, where the dealership I purchased it from picked it up. The car is in really good shape, and I really love it, but it seems like it was almost stripped before it was traded in or sold.

It came with no window sticker, and no manuals, so I went to my local BMW dealership, and pulled the build and service data on it. I don't have the sheet in front of me rite this second, but this is what I know. It was built in South Africa 05/06. It has the premium package, with the idrive system, and cold climate package. It has the optional 18" wheels, but does not have the "sport" package. It had the M-Sport front cowl added by the dealership.

So from doing some digging, I've found several things that are in question from all the information I've read. There are some odds and ends missing, that I will replace eventually, but they are not my main concern at this moment (cylinder head cover, glove box flashlight, disc 1 of the 2 navigation disks, storage tray for the trunk, etc.). My biggest concern is with the Auxiliary jack, and the "bluetooth" the car is supposed to have.

The auxiliary jack doesn't do anything when I plug my phone into it. The stereo shows no option for changing the input to "Aux". I really just need to know if I'm doing something wrong from an operator standpoint. Every other car I've owned (that had a port), you plug it in, and it automatically changed inputs, or at the least, it gave you an option to switch to the "AUX" port. Mine does nothing. I drive a lot, and would like to be able to at the very least stream my favorite radio station, using the port.

More difficult, is the bluetooth. The build sheet says it should have it. Controls are on the steeringwheel, and console. Have the SOS button, but again, the stereo gives no option to set up the bluetooth. I looked in the trunk, and found the modules under the cover. I have the module on the right, that has the bluetooth symbols all over it, but there is an opening on the left side, that appears to hold a larger module of some kind, and it's missing. Wiring harness and connectors do exist though.

Does anyone know what the module on the left side is for? And, could this be the reason my bluetooth, and the auxiliary input doesn't function, or isn't recognized by the stereo? If so, would it be as simple as purchasing that module from ebay, and plugging it in, or is there a program upgrade that would need to be done as well?

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Old 12-04-2013, 09:37 AM
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You must manualy switch to aux

You must manually switch to aux.
You can do it on the steering wheel or through the menu button I believe.
The upper left button on the right of the steering wheel selects cd/radio/aux
There are separate manuals for idrive , bluetooth phone
Did you get the radio and bluetooth/phone manual .
They only had Bluetooth phone in 06.
With Sos you will only have bluetooth phone.
BMW did not have Bluetooth music streaming in there cars till around 2011 and
as usual its in an expensive package bundled with idrive/nav.

If you are interested in aftermarket options and or OEM solutions your best bet
to find out what to do is at the following link

http://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27

You should verify your build with vindecoder
http://www.bmwvin.com/
That will tell you what your installed options are.

There are separate manuals for idrive(what you have) , pro radio , bluetooth
some of the manuals are available as a free download on the BMW and BMWusa websites.

It took me a couple of months to get comfortable with all the controls displays etc..
You can get parts from realoem.com
There also may be some aftermarket parts for some of the stuff you listed.
There should be somebody out there with the nav disks you want .

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Old 12-04-2013, 03:44 PM
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I did verify the build options with the vindecoder previously. Everything matched what the dealer gave me. I've gotten myself very familiarized with the idrive menus, and controls, since I really have nothing better to do during 10-12 hour drives. It doesn't matter if I change the source on the steering wheel, or with the idrive menus, auxiliary doesn't come up. When I do it through the idrive menu, it gives me the options for FM, AM, WB (weather band), and CD. As I had previously stated, the car came with no manuals what so ever, so figuring out all the functions and how to take care of service lights etc. has been a LOT of fun. Thanks to Youtube, and this forum, I've been able to figure out most of the things I needed to know.

I'm not really interested in putting anything aftermarket on the car. I just want it to be like it supposedly should have been from the factory. I was planning on buying the set of manuals from some of the people on ebay, but I don't know if I should even bother, because there are so many different manual combinations based on what options each car may or may not have. How would I ever be able to know if I was getting all the correct ones? To be honest, the bluetooth would be nice to have, but is totally not necessary for me to have. My main concern is whether the module that appears to be missing in the trunk, has anything to do with the auxiliary input not functioning, or not being recognized.
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Old 12-04-2013, 04:09 PM
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You need to show an tell what you have .

You need to show an tell what you have .
options list and pictures.
No way we can tell unless you tell us.
You should be able to get the normal manuals for free.
I don't have an idrive but I thought all BMW's had aux in.
In the trunk under the trunk floor and on which side. Right side = TCU (Telephone control unit)left side is normally
satellite radio.
Or under the trunk on driver side at the corner=amplifier.
Third link down describes the Entertainment system.
Also shows pictures and describes trunk modules.
BMW stereo types
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=352586
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...2&d=1266451970
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...2&d=1260829447
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343673
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138949
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...1&d=1209780605
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323
http://bmwcoders.com/forum/3-er-8/bm...1-e92-e93-291/
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...1&d=1209780865
http://www.bawarec.ru/manuals/3er/e9...3er-e90-12.pdf
http://www.musicarnw.com/page-2/
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...4&d=1278871872

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Old 12-16-2013, 11:45 AM
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You need to show an tell what you have .
options list and pictures.
No way we can tell unless you tell us.
You should be able to get the normal manuals for free.
I don't have an idrive but I though all BMW's had aux in.
In the trunk under the trunk floor and on which side. Right side = TCU (Telephone control unit)left side is normally
satellite radio.
Or under the trunk on driver side at the corner=amplifier.
Third link down describes the Entertainment system.
Also shows pictures and describes trunk modules.
BMW stereo types
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=352586
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...2&d=1266451970
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...2&d=1260829447
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343673
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138949
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...1&d=1209780605
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=641323
http://bmwcoders.com/forum/3-er-8/bm...1-e92-e93-291/
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...1&d=1209780865
http://www.bawarec.ru/manuals/3er/e9...3er-e90-12.pdf
http://www.musicarnw.com/page-2/
http://www.e90post.com/forums/attach...4&d=1278871872

Thank you guys very much for your help with this. Sorry I wasn't able to respond sooner, but I was on a business trip, with limited access to internet.

ctuna: I've looked through most of the attachments in your post, and as you had stated, the third link does seems to be the most informative. I have attached a picture of what is under the trunk mat. The car didn't come with the build sheet, or any other information for that matter. I had to go to the dealership to get a copy of what it shows for options, etc. I don't have that copy with me (it's at my house, 200 miles away). It has the idrive, Hi-fi system. I don't believe it has the "Top Hi-fi" sysem. At least I know the build sheet from the dealer only called out the standard Hi-fi system.

The build sheet called out specifically the satellite radio, and bluetooth. I can't remember the specific wording, but it said something to the effect of bluetooth ready, and "pre-wired" for satellite radio. Which would basically match up with what you are saying as far as the trunk module layout (bluetooth module is there, satellite module is not). The rear left of the trunk, DOES have the amplifier under the cover, with no CD changer.

Looking at all the wiring diagrams for the Hi-fi system, I'm starting to wonder if the reason the auxiliary plug isn't working, may be due to a loose connector on the head unit? What is seriously stumping me at this point, is there is no option on the screen for "AUX", or Bluetooth, in ANY of the menus. If a connector does come loose for an auxiliary source, is the system actually smart enough to eliminate that source from even being an option in the menu screens? It doesn't appear that the head unit has ever been removed from the dash, but that doesn't really mean much. I know according to the service records, one of the buttons on the steering wheel stopped working about 2 years ago, so BMW replaced the entire steering wheel. With the exception of the phone buttons, all buttons function as they should. I have to assume the phone buttons would work, if I could get a phone connected.

I started to pull the trim off the head unit to check the connectors, but didn't have a screw driver handy to pull it out of the dash. At this point though, I seriously doubt a loose connector is the issue.

The other thing that seems strange to me, is my stereo has a weather band (WB) source. I'm not seeing this as anything "common". Unless I overlooked it in the material, which is entirely possible. Does anyone else have a weatherband source?

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Old 12-16-2013, 12:46 PM
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All you need to find out whats in your car is a vin decoder.

All you need to find out whats in your car is a vin decoder.
You are making this to hard.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...57967247,d.aWc
I wonder if you car was a US build.
Also satellite radio prep is different than satellite radio.
The prep stuff just meant the wiring and other stuff is in the car
such that the only thing you need is the module.
You should see Aux in one of the menu's or screens I think.

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Old 12-16-2013, 12:50 PM
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Double Post sorry no deletion option.

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Old 12-16-2013, 01:01 PM
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All you need to find out whats in your car is a vin decoder.
You are making this to hard.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...57967247,d.aWc
I wonder if you car was a US build.
Also satellite radio prep is different than satellite radio.
The prep stuff just meant the wiring and other stuff is in the car
such that the only thing you need is the module.
You should see Aux in one of the menu's or screens I think.
My original post stated that the car is a South Africa built car. I have also stated that I did use the vin decoder. Everything according to the vin decoder matched the dealer printed build sheet. The car should have the bluetooth, and was satellite "ready". I understand that satellite ready means it was pre-wired, but doesn't have it installed. The only reason I mentioned it, was because it was specifically called out in the build sheet data.

The car has the premium package, which from all information I've learned, and been told, means it should have bluetooth. Why the auxiliary jack isn't working is beyond me. At this point I feel like the information is just spinning in circles. Maybe I need to just take it to the dealer and see what they can tell me.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:25 PM
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For anyone interested, this is what the VIN decoder shows for my car, however, it isn't completely accurate. For instance, S544A (cruise with brake / AKA: Active Cruise). The car has dynamic cruise, and does not auto brake. S354A (Green Windscreen / Shade Band). I'm not 100% positive on this one, but there is nothing green in or on the car, and the windscreen doesn't have a shade band at the top at all. S823A (Hot Climate Package). The car doesn't have the hot climate package, it has the cold climate package, with heated seats, and the ski gear for the center pass through.

There are other things that don't seem correct to me, but I'm not totally sure what they even are, so I won't even mention them. I'm not going to hold this information as gospel, but it's more info than I had the day I bought the car. Like I had stated previously, this information, and the build info from the dealership match eachother "for the most part".

S639A, is called out as "preperation for mobile phone". According to that, the car should only be "wired" for Bluetooth. If that's the case, why is the TCU module in the trunk? Of course I can't get it to work, so maybe that should be telling me something, lol.
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Old 12-18-2013, 08:01 AM
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I pulled the head unit from the dash, and all the connectors are correct to the wiring schematic, and were securely attached. I also double checked the TCU module in the trunk, and all wires are properly connected. If all necessary components are in the car, and all wiring is connected properly, everything should function. Am I mistaken with this statement? I know the connector going into the head unit contains the auxiliary input, and I believe the TCU inputs as well (if I'm remembering correctly). I haven't checked the fuses for the phone, but if it is blown, would that make the auxiliary input stop functioning? I may be wrong, but the 3.5mm jack isn't powered is it? I don't think I've ever seen a powered 3.5mm jack before. I know which fuses to check for the phone function, but if there is a fuse for the auxiliary input, does anyone know what the symbol is on the fuse card for that? Most of the symbols are self explainatory, but some of them I have no clue on.
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Old 12-18-2013, 08:37 AM
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programming might be corrupted.

programming might be corrupted.
I have a pro radio an it has a single line of code for aux
What an idrive/nav has I don't know but I know when you reprogram
the options on a idrive for Hi Fi output you have to deal with three
separate items instead of the rad file the pro radio uses.
If you were on the coding board they would probably tell you to do
a sgreset with a coding setup which is like a reboot of the software. My knowledge of the
idrive is non existent so this is just guessing .
You might try disconnecting the battery and seeing if it will bring it back.
If this works the way it does with a non idrive car hitting the selection button
on the steering wheel should scroll you through to aux.
If you dissconnect the battery you will possibly get some temporary error messages which go
away when you drive the car about a block .
By the way what does the manual say about aux selection for an idrive/nav

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Old 12-18-2013, 08:58 AM
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programming might be corrupted.
That sounds bad, lol. What does that mean? I saw something in one of the links you posted, about a reset. Do you know if performing the reset would help this, or is it something that requires dealership assistance or component replacement? Probably more importantly, would performing the reset potentially make things worse? At the end of the day, I WANT all the functions to work like they should, but I can live with it like it is. I don't want to cause anything else to stop functioning, lol.

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Old 12-18-2013, 09:11 AM
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it might be as easy as going to the dealer and have the car reprogramed, on my 07 335I the AUX port will not work with an I phone, only an IPOD, if you have a IPOD try it, if now find someone that has one
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:15 AM
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By the way what does the manual say about aux selection for an idrive/nav
I'm not sure. The only PDF files I found on the entertainment functions (from BMW) were for the professional radio, not the idrive. Because I didn't get any manuals with the car, I've been forced to lean heavily on the assistance of everyone on the forum.

I'll try the battery trick first. If that doesn't work, I may have to try the reset. I may be forced to have the dealership look at it to begin with. I guess if it goes badly, I will definitely need to take it to them. If it saves the diagnosis fee, it might be worth it...
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:19 AM
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it might be as easy as going to the dealer and have the car reprogramed, on my 07 335I the AUX port will not work with an I phone, only an IPOD, if you have a IPOD try it, if now find someone that has one
I tried an HTC EVO, a Samsung Galaxy Note 3, an i-phone 4s, and an ipod touch (2nd gen). Because the aux option isn't even in the menu, it doesn't make any difference. I may be forced to take it to the dealer. I was just trying to avoid any service fees from something like this.

They wouldn't do it for free would they? Do they do anything for free except shake your hand?
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He just want to go through the aux input I think .

He just wants to go through the aux input I think .
An he says its not selectable. Doesn't appear in his options.
I looked at an idrive video and it shows a selection line
for entertainment that has Fm AM CD Aux displayed at the top
and from what I am getting it doesn't display aux for him .
Try a search for idrive videos on google and it will show you what
you are suppose to see.
Also I have to say that music through the aux sucks with the stock
Hi Fi system.

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I tried an HTC EVO, a Samsung Galaxy Note 3, an i-phone 4s, and an ipod touch (2nd gen). Because the aux option isn't even in the menu, it doesn't make any difference. I may be forced to take it to the dealer. I was just trying to avoid any service fees from something like this.

They wouldn't do it for free would they? Do they do anything for free except shake your hand?
no a hand shake is a binding agreement at BMW, but hey have free starbucks coffee and muffins, just drink 50 cups of coffee and eat 25 muffins and you got your money back
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Plus my 335 doesnt have I drive, but its got ME-drive
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He just wants to go through the aux input I think .
An he says its not selectable. Doesn't appear in his options.
I looked at an idrive video and it shows a selection line
for entertainment that has Fm AM CD Aux displayed at the top
and from what I am getting it doesn't display aux for him .
Try a search for idrive videos on google and it will show you what
you are suppose to see.
Also I have to say that music through the aux sucks with the stock
Hi Fi system.
And why would that be? The AUX input acts no different than playing the same source back via headphones would be. In fact, it would be a better experience most likely due to the additional speakers.

If you have poor quality through the AUX input it likely is due to you playing a poor source. You can't expect a Pandora playback from your phone via AUX at low bitrate to rival a CD. This is not the input's fault.

I've extensively used the AUX input on my vehicle on long road trips playing back my iPod and it sounds as good, if not better than listen to the same iPod via headphones.
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Did a test with the same 320 bit audio cd and htc phone

Did a test with the same 320 bit audio cd and htc phone
Same files burned on cd and played through the phone .
Sounds thin through the phone . Yes it could be the phones
lack of a good analog output or DAC but there have been quite a number
of complaints about the low fidelity of the aux input over on the
audio board.
If you have L7 its bound to sound better . My aux improved quite bit after
the MusicaNW install but there is still some very noticeable difference.

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Did a test with the same 320 bit audio cd and htc phone
Same files burned on cd and played through the phone .
Sounds thin through the phone . Yes it could be the phones
lack of a good analog output or DAC but there have been quite a number
of complaints about the low fidelity of the aux input over on the
audio board.
If you have L7 its bound to sound better . My aux improved quite bit after
the MusicaNW install but there is still some very noticeable difference.
I don't think that's an accurate test because you are using different "parts" of the stereo.

Playing the same song on your HTC phone using the AUX input should sound the same or better as playing the same song on your HTC phone using headphones.

That's my experience with the iPod. The best way to improve quality would be to have a better source of the song on the iPod, but in a noisy environment of a car plus the fact that the iPod is primarily played through a 2-speaker headphone system makes the gains questionable.

Portable digitized music files are what they are. CD quality is not what they are unless you want to only put 20 CDs on your portable player.
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Exactly I am using different parts of the stereo.

Exactly I am using different parts of the stereo.
and the different parts are not designed the same .
320 bit files are near cd quality it's not the 128 bit crap you
Portable files are not the same there what you make them if you make them.
get from pandora. Plus I can play wav files from the phone with the same
result.

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For anyone interested, this is what the VIN decoder shows for my car, however, it isn't completely accurate. For instance, S544A (cruise with brake / AKA: Active Cruise). The car has dynamic cruise, and does not auto brake. S354A (Green Windscreen / Shade Band). I'm not 100% positive on this one, but there is nothing green in or on the car, and the windscreen doesn't have a shade band at the top at all. S823A (Hot Climate Package). The car doesn't have the hot climate package, it has the cold climate package, with heated seats, and the ski gear for the center pass through.
I cannot help with your AUX input problem but thought you might like some info on your side questions.
  • The "build sheet" you get from a dealership is called a "Vehicle Inquiry Report." That comes from BMW TIS and is the gospel for options installed at the factory. The on-line VIN lookup services should agree but if they differ, believe the VIR.
  • "Cruise control with braking function" is not the same as "Active Cruise Control." The former is the regular cruise control system and it does indeed use the brakes to maintain the set speed on a downgrade. Braking is gentle so you will hardly ever notice. Active Cruise Control uses radar to measure the distance to the car in front, and will reduce speed to maintain a set minimum distance if you are overtaking. Once the way is clear it will accelerate back to the set speed.
  • It's possible your windshield was replaced not long before you got the car. A few years ago, BMW temporarily (for several years) stopped fitting windshields with shade bands as standard equipment on US cars. It's possible the original windshield was damaged and replaced with the wrong (non-tinted) glass, by someone who did not catch that yours should have received the green-band version.
  • All US cars (AFAIK) are "hot climate version" vehicles. This option has nothing to do with the cold weather package or lack thereof. It beefs up the engine cooling and/or HVAC capacity (I forget which) to cope with climates warmer than that of central Europe.
As a further aside, it bugs me that these services tend to be called "decoders." A VIN does not magically encode every option installed on a car. While the first eleven characters are indeed coded representations of certain basic information (such as manufacturer, model ID, safety restraint type, model year, assembly plant and so on), that's as far as it goes. What a "decoder" does is consult a massive BMW database (live or bootlegged, couldn't say which) that stores the build data for every BMW VIN, and spit out all the information it finds. Take away that database and you will never determine what was built in a car given just its VIN. (Yeah, it's a silly peeve, but it's my peeve nonetheless. )
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Old 12-19-2013, 12:43 PM
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Very good information Zeichen311, thank you. The dealer report is the one I had a little more faith in, but with what you clarified, it looks like they may both be the same, just with a little different wording.

I was trying the different things that were suggested (battery disconnect, radio reset, etc.). First I tried to do the radio reset (hold down both eject buttons, and the idrive control for ~10 seconds). I couldn't get it to work. I must have tried it about 50 times with all combinations of key in, auxiliary power on, and running. Nothing worked. I was able to access the OSD (on-board system data). That showed nothing I could comprehend, except that it's not getting a signal from the TCU. The feild strength shows 0 (--). So I double checked the fuses. The card says "17, 26, and 27" are for the phone system. I found slot 27 didn't have a fuse in it. I installed a fuse, but it didn't change anything.

I don't have any tools with me, except a phillips, so I can't completely disconnect the power from the battery (I'll have to try that this weekend), but I tried disconnecting the lines that "snap" into the distribution block. I have no idea what any of them go to, but I thought it may reset the nav system. Still nothing. I did find something interesting though. I took this picture. There is a small connector coming off one of the main power lines, that isn't connected to anything. The wires if you can't see them in the picture, are blue and red. I have no idea where they are supposed to be connected, or what they are supposed to be feeding. I couldn't find anything that appeared to be missing a connector of that shape and size.

Anyone know what this plug is, and or where it's supposed to go?
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Old 12-19-2013, 06:09 PM
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Thats a wire used for shipping

Thats a wire used for shipping
It used to minimize the battery draw when the car is shipped.
I'm talking about the black one .
Is the blue one connected?

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