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Old 12-29-2013, 09:54 AM
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The USA i3 Configurator is up

The USA i3 Configurator is up:

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Old 12-29-2013, 10:12 AM
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I think it's going to be a tough sell, it quickly hits $50K with few options before $7.5K fed credit. Range Extender adds ~$4K to the price.
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Old 12-29-2013, 11:17 AM
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Or you could look at it this way:

$54,000 loaded to the gills (don't need fancy wheels or fast charging)
- $7,500 federal tax credit
-$12,000 difference in fuel cost (for me) between gas and electric over the course of 100,000 miles between an i3 and a 320i
=$34,500

Sounds very reasonably priced to me.
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Old 12-29-2013, 02:43 PM
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Or you could look at it this way:

$54,000 loaded to the gills (don't need fancy wheels or fast charging)
- $7,500 federal tax credit
-$12,000 difference in fuel cost (for me) between gas and electric over the course of 100,000 miles between an i3 and a 320i
=$34,500

Sounds very reasonably priced to me.
Electricity cost is a real variable. Free charging is going away in a couple of years and there isn't a lot of info available regarding what the charging rate/KWH will be. If it is a variable rate based on peak use rates, it could get expensive. I was hoping the i3 would have sufficient range to go round trip with no need for charging and then could be plugged in to the charger at home. Combined with net metering and charging at night when rates are lowest, the i3 could have been a compelling purchase/investment. It may supplement the d instead of replace it.
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:21 PM
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Or you could look at it this way:

$54,000 loaded to the gills (don't need fancy wheels or fast charging)
- $7,500 federal tax credit
-$12,000 difference in fuel cost (for me) between gas and electric over the course of 100,000 miles between an i3 and a 320i
=$34,500

Sounds very reasonably priced to me.
So after the fuel discount, $34K for a small car, peculiar car? I would rather take the 320i. I usually keep a car for 20K - 30K miles, 2-3 years, so the fuel math would not work for me.

How did you calculate the fuel cost difference between i3 and 320i?
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:29 PM
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Where's the sunroof? Did they forget to put it in the configurator?
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Old 12-29-2013, 11:42 PM
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So after the fuel discount, $34K for a small car, peculiar car? I would rather take the 320i. I usually keep a car for 20K - 30K miles, 2-3 years, so the fuel math would not work for me.

How did you calculate the fuel cost difference between i3 and 320i?
Plus there are some maintenance differences. And any out of warranty repairs would impact the calculation as well (comprehensive extended warranty for the gassers runs around $2,500 to $3,000; don't know what similar coverage for the i3 would run). What about battery replacement ($4,000?; more?)? Leafs need a new battery at around the 80K mile point.
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Old 12-30-2013, 08:09 AM
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The purchase decision of an EV should include within it's total cost an estimate of the prepaid difference in fuel cost between between it and a similar gas powered vehicle. I chose the 320i because it has similar performance, interior room, and amenities for the purpose of comparison. I compared it against the REx, because both would have unlimited range. Considering a BEV i3 would net me about $9,000 less - $25,650 in the same analysis ($3,850 less sticker price minus another $5,000 state tax credit for which the REx is ineligible), it is the real bargain for a loaded sport hatch, but not really comparable to the 320i because of its fixed range.
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How did you calculate the fuel cost difference between i3 and 320i?
BMW 320 27mpg over 100,000 miles = 3,704 gal x $4*/gal = $14,815
BMW i3 258* wh/mile over 100,000 miles = 25,800 kwh x $0.11/kwh = $2,838
Difference = $11,977

*Gas national average is currently $3.66 (http://fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/?redi....com/index.asp), but I used $4 because my crystal ball says gas prices will rise more quickly than electricity prices over the next 10 years I will be driving either car.
**BMW says 218 wh/mi (http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...range_extender), but I used 258 because that is what I get out of my current EV which is roughly the same size and weight as the i3 REx. The 18% consumption increase also tracks with what Tesla Model S owners use to relate their real world experience with Telsa marketing numbers.

Everyone needs to make their own analysis based on their own use, local costs, and government help. For instance, electricity is nearly twice as expensive in California, but Californians get a $2,500 state rebate which almost completely offsets the difference over the course of 100,000 miles
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Old 01-01-2014, 03:16 PM
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$54K optioned similar to my Volt (range extender, NAV, heated seats, upgrade wheels, etc.) is a tough pill to swallow, but consistent with what I expected from BMW with their usual $10K worth of options. Admittedly, when I purchased my Volt the stickers was $45K or so...that has now dropped by $5K making the value proposition of the i3 a bit tougher to swallow. The ONLY reason I am considering an i3 is to get something with a greater "fun" factor while not sacrificing too much with regard to daily range (hence the range extender - which, unfortunately, impacts performance). By the time my Volt's lease is up, however, I expect the next generation of Volt will be out so that is the wild card.
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Where's the sunroof? Did they forget to put it in the configurator?
Sure looks like the sunroof has gone away. Click on the 360 interior view and pan up -- no sunroof there. Bummer. I know it's supposed to have decent head room, but nevertheless a car that small really needs a sunroof before us mildly claustrophobic folks will consider it.
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lol. No way I'm paying this.
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:16 PM
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lol. No way I'm paying this.
Yeah, that is a bit of a tough lift.
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Old 01-03-2014, 02:46 PM
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Way overpriced. Can't see it selling well even with the BMW logo in the front. Curious what a lease would run like though.
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Old 01-03-2014, 10:25 PM
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The USA i3 Configurator is up

While I realize the 500e and the Spark are not as "premium" as the i3, these are very nice prices for range that's not dissimilar to the i3's


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/automobiles/autoreviews/electric-service-from-199-a-month.html?ref=automobiles


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