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Old 12-30-2013, 12:35 PM
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Is this beyond Paintless Dent Removal?

Deciding on whether or not this is something PDR could help or fix. Considering buying this car, as it's a great deal and in great shape (other than this). Any idea of costs involved in fixing this?
Any help you can provide would be much appreciated.

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Old 12-30-2013, 12:47 PM
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Sure looks beyond simple PDR. It appears that a large amount of paint is missing and that there is a hard crease with a scratch along the length of the damage, which would seem to imply the need for a repair and repaint.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:49 PM
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Thanks for your thoughts....So body shop is the place to go? Any idea of cost for something like this? 500? 1000? 2000? Guess this is the item that will make or break my car buying decision..
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:06 PM
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possibly too deep and too big dent for a PDR
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:30 PM
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Even if PDR could get the dent out, the panel will need painted and blended - I would budget a grand and hope to come out with a few hundred left!
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:36 PM
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So the next question of mine would be--should i take this to a PDR guy and spend the 1-200 on getting the dent part out (or trying their best to improve it) and THEN take it to the body shop for the detail and blending/painting? or should i just take this directly to body shop and skip PDR altogether?
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:37 PM
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PDR's are incredible magicians so really nothing out of reach but looks like some paint damage...Gonna need a Body Shop.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:37 PM
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Can't be PDR'd.

You can probably get the horizontal crease looking ok, but the vertical crease by the taillight will be next to impossible.
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Thanks for your thoughts....So body shop is the place to go? Any idea of cost for something like this? 500? 1000? 2000? Guess this is the item that will make or break my car buying decision..
Probably if not a K pretty close to it that is if done correctly.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:52 PM
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That's a job for a bodyshop. Don't let some bondo-bandit near it. Done correctly probably will run you $500 +/- a couple hundred. It's all labor; don't see that any parts will be needed for the fix.
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BMW body shop...there may be more than wing ... sorry, fender damage.
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Old 12-30-2013, 02:42 PM
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yep you need a body shop. but dont fret, Great body shops dont just fill the dent in with plastic filler, and the days of drilling holes in panels to pull dents are gone too, they now spot weld a type of nail to the dent and slide a puller over the nail and pull the dent out, you can you tube it to see. they try to get the dent back out as close to original shape, Then they twist the nail off and blend out the spot weld on the panel. next they will apply a minor amount of plastic filler, sometimes they just spray a heavy build epoxy primer, then the sanding starts, they will get the area back to spot on original. then scuff then panel and paint and blend the area. Modern paints are all 2 part and they will cure it in a heated boot. Once dry, Usually in a matter of hours they buff the area and you are done, Good as new
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Old 12-30-2013, 02:43 PM
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That's a job for a bodyshop. Don't let some bondo-bandit near it. Done correctly probably will run you $500 +/- a couple hundred. It's all labor; don't see that any parts will be needed for the fix.
$500 would cover just paint....

If it's done properly, the rear quarter will be cut off and a new panel welded in.

Much more than $500
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Just had one like this .... you are in the $800 range .... pay cash and get at least 10 - 15% off the estimate.

Definitely not PDR since it is on the crease and of course paint is missing.

Find the right place in your market ..... a "BMW" shop will be double.
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Old 12-30-2013, 03:21 PM
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$500 would cover just paint....

If it's done properly, the rear quarter will be cut off and a new panel welded in.

Much more than $500

you are kidding right!

you know how much work is involved in replacing a whole panel, and no way I would have a panel cut out and replaced, A body shop will never get it on right and making the seams look factory will be next to impossible,

Dont do this!
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Old 12-30-2013, 03:33 PM
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a complete panel is around 650.00 go on BMW parts and look at the panel, it involves the door lines, the trunk lines, they will never get all the gaps even if you replace the whole panel, but then I bet no body shop will take on that job for than minor amount of damage
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Old 12-30-2013, 03:36 PM
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now based on your original post, you are considering purchasing the car, then get an estimate, bargain the price for the repair and your time without the car,

I would not purchase the car if the owner has it fixed, he will get the cheapest place to do the repair and you will be stuck with it down the road and it will be a bad repair
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:39 PM
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If it's got a few miles on I'd be tempted to get PDR (<$200?) and touch up the paint myself - you'll barely notice it. If it ever needs other repair work done then have it 'made perfect' then. Cost will be the shop's minimum for dent + paint. From repairs I've had ~$700 is my guess for a decent shop.

A long time ago I learned to live with very minor damage, especially if more than a few years old. I have a cheap DIY dent removal kit which works well for larger simple dents + some touch up paint. Once I paid for PDR for a door ding along a seam which was $150 IIRC.
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Old 12-31-2013, 06:26 AM
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Yeah the car has 110k miles. It was parked in the city and the paint isnt perfect. There are a few nicks on the sides (tiny ones). The bumpers need respray and the rear ding of course. The interior is perfect and the guy has completed most of the maintenance ahead of schedule. Overall it's in average-good condition, but i've negotiated the price down a bit to compensate.
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Yeah the car has 110k miles. It was parked in the city and the paint isnt perfect. There are a few nicks on the sides (tiny ones). The bumpers need respray and the rear ding of course. The interior is perfect and the guy has completed most of the maintenance ahead of schedule. Overall it's in average-good condition, but i've negotiated the price down a bit to compensate.
Sounds like the usual city car ... beat up! But, mechanically kept up to date. The last is the most important. A ding won't leave you stranded on the road. That said, minor dings can usually be minimized or hidden completely by a PDR expert &/or a good detailer. But the rear quarter panel ain't one of those. Besides, you want to be sure that the area around the taillight is carefully aligned and not an invitation to leaks. Repairs like yours do not usually involve panel replacements. It's just not that severe to warrant cutting and welding in a full panel to fix it. That kind of repair is usually where the damage extends over a larger area and/or where a panel is a "simple" bolt-on (like a front fender) and / or especially plastic panels like front and rear fascia where the plastic might be mangled or torn.
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Old 12-31-2013, 06:52 AM
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Thanks for everyone's help. So much information and thanks to everyone for chiming in. Much appreciated. Luigi...so sounds like what I need to do is figure in about $7-1200 for the repair...If they try to tell me they are cutting or welding or replacing the panel I should go somewhere else. This should involve pulling the dent out of current panel, sanding, and painting vs installing a new panel or cutting or welding.
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I was quoted 750 to just repaint the panel on my 09 coupe last spring, decided it wasnt worth fixing the minor issues unless they started to rust or something.
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I was quoted 750 to just repaint the panel on my 09 coupe last spring, decided it wasnt worth fixing the minor issues unless they started to rust or something.
At the very least put a dab of touch-up paint on exposed metal. Especially up there.
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I got touch up, cleaned the spot, 2 layers of touch up and a layer of clear coat, my issue was lower near the wheel and if you dint know it was there your would never be able to find it.
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I got touch up, cleaned the spot, 2 layers of touch up and a layer of clear coat, my issue was lower near the wheel and if you dint know it was there your would never be able to find it.
Sounds perfect

I have a 17K mile car with a deep scratch on the bumper (plastic) from previous owner - am leaving it as-is; simply not worth the cost of a quality repair (to me)
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