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Old 01-10-2014, 11:35 PM
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2008 vs 2009 335

I apologize if this has been covered to death -- I didn't see much via a quick search, but let me know.

I'm planning on getting a 335 and am wondering if there are any significant differences/concerns between the 2 years.
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Before anyone tells him to do a search, HE ALREADY DID. So answer his question please.

Anyway, I can't tell you why, but I've always heard 2009 is a year to stay away from.


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2009 was LCI ("Lifecycle impulse" in Bimmerese) mid-cycle model change. The M-sport version was introduced, the mirrors are larger, and there are other styling changes. All good, but a few months into the 2009 model run, BMW then did a serious de-content of the cars, without telling anyone who had ordered one. IIRC, the cars lost the ash tray, the lighter socket and lighter, the closing cover over the ashtray, the nets on the seat backs, the hood insulation pad, several speakers for the base stereo.... Cost accountants run wild, my guess is they saved few $/unit.

Some people like the pre-LCI styling and smaller mirrors better, some the LCI styling. A 2009.00-2009.25 might be okay, a 2009.26+ might not be particularly desirable.
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2009 was LCI ("Lifecycle impulse" in Bimmerese) mid-cycle model change. The M-sport version was introduced, the mirrors are larger, and there are other styling changes. All good, but a few months into the 2009 model run, BMW then did a serious de-content of the cars, without telling anyone who had ordered one. IIRC, the cars lost the ash tray, the lighter socket and lighter, the closing cover over the ashtray, the nets on the seat backs, the hood insulation pad, several speakers for the base stereo.... Cost accountants run wild, my guess is they saved few $/unit.

Some people like the pre-LCI styling and smaller mirrors better, some the LCI styling. A 2009.00-2009.25 might be okay, a 2009.26+ might not be particularly desirable.
I purchased a used 2009 335i and had no clue of what you said! luckily the model i bought was the one before the changes i am assuming since i have all the stuff you mentioned was taken out.
I love my 2009!
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Old 01-11-2014, 05:15 AM
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I have a post-change 2009 coupe, and the only thing I seem to have lost is the ashtray/lighter/cover. The nets are still on the seatbacks (I believe these were lost in 2010, but I really never saw the need for them in the first place), the base radio still has the tweeters in the window corners (again, I believe the radio decontent came in 2010) and so on.

Sit in both. If you don't see something missing, you probably won't miss having it. More mechanical bugs seem to have been worked out in the 2009s than the earlier models. The 2009s seem (note: "seem") to have fewer engine related issues (specifically, wastegate related) than the 2007/2008 models.

Given the choice between not having nets on the backs on the seat vs. needing to chase wastegate issues, I know where I'd land.
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I really like the 2009 LCI refresh look with the hood creases, grill, all red tail lights ..... but then I'm a little superficial when it comes to car looks!
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The refresh also came with LED turn signals, if I'm not mistaken, which were lost again on the F30.

My 2010 has the tweeters in the window corners, but I think all Canadian models did anyway. The stereo for me is "good," but then again I may be blessedly unaware of what I'm missing.
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I purchased a used 2009 335i and had no clue of what you said! luckily the model i bought was the one before the changes i am assuming since i have all the stuff you mentioned was taken out.
I love my 2009!

Mine mfg 5/09 - no de-content.

Whaaaaat's he talking about? 2010 maybe.
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I apologize if this has been covered to death -- I didn't see much via a quick search, but let me know.

I'm planning on getting a 335 and am wondering if there are any significant differences/concerns between the 2 years.

I can say through my mfg date, 05/09, it's a superior buy. Improved reliability and much, much improved iDrive. Like my HD radio.

No worries mate.

And, somewhat upgradable.
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Old 01-11-2014, 08:32 AM
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Well with my 2/2009 I did lose the felt sound deadening under the hood (good weight riddance) and the felt liner in the secret compartment in the trunk ....... oooops didn't mean to mention the secret compartment
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I can say through my mfg date, 05/09, it's a superior buy. Improved reliability and much, much improved iDrive. Like my HD radio.

No worries mate.

And, somewhat upgradable.
Although I don't completely trust any reliability ratings, according to the below, the 2009 has much worse reliability.

http://www.truedelta.com/BMW-3-Series/reliability-13
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Old 01-11-2014, 10:00 AM
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Mine is a 07/09, I love it. I prefer the LCI styling IMO.
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Old 01-11-2014, 10:10 AM
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Interesting, I noticed the changes in the lights, ashtray, etc between my 2011 and the 2008/9's I looked at. I also was surprised when I saw my 2011 didn't have any insulation in the hood. From my experience the pain lasts a lot longer when there insulation, but otherwise in some ways I like the newer style. The 2009 I looked at was the same as the 2008's; didn't look at the build date but I guess it was an earlier model. For the most part those are not significant changes to me. Even though the 2009 has lower miles the 2008's have more options and the dealers are better so I will get one of those. I was mainly concerned about the mechanical issues, but since the warranty on the wastegate was extended (didn't realize this, only heard about the HPFP warranty), I'm not too concerned. One of the cars has already had both the pump and wastegate replaced anyway; not sure about the other.

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Old 01-11-2014, 11:25 AM
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I'm probably bias but I'm still amazed at how good the pre-lci E92's still look in the right color.
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As noted, no major changes. The LCI, but it was not too many big changes. I think some of the "stuff" removed from the cars went out in the 10's. Most of it you can buy and install yourself for a modest (by BMW standards) fee if you really want it. The standard radio in the 10's was much worse. You will be happy with either. N4S
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Most of it you can buy and install yourself for a modest (by BMW standards) fee if you really want it.
$500+ in parts @ MSRP for the ashtray/lighter/walnut trim.

They don't sell the wooden trim piece that covers the ashtray separately, the wood grains don't match. I don't smoke, but that's where I locate my electronic countermeasure controls -- so if I had ordered one of these cars and taken delivery without any warning that it had been deleted, I would have been unhappy. (Smokers were likely unhappy.)

Porsche offers a "smoker's package" at N/C that provides a lighter/socket and covered ashtray for ashes or coins/tokens.
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Well with my 2/2009 I did lose the felt sound deadening under the hood (good weight riddance) and the felt liner in the secret compartment in the trunk ....... oooops didn't mean to mention the secret compartment
Does this make the engine louder?
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There's a sweet spot between production dates where you get the more tunable N54, pre-lci styling, but updated cic nav and some other lci bits like cup holder and ac/radio trim buttons.

If you want to a 335 for performance, get an N54. N55 is less tunable but vendors are starting to overcome the obstacles.
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Does this make the engine louder?
No discernable difference between our 07 and 09 328i.

Neither sound as good as our 2002 330i but that's the exhaust growl!
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I apologize if this has been covered to death -- I didn't see much via a quick search, but let me know.

I'm planning on getting a 335 and am wondering if there are any significant differences/concerns between the 2 years.

2006-2008 seem to have more problems than 2009+

Then again, the rule applies: Never buy in the first 3 years of production. But that said, BMW didn't fix the HPFP issue until 2010. Weird! For any engineer experienced with pumps, the problem was obvious in 2006 - I'm guessing it was EPA that held back the fix - and the bad pumps were a symptom, not the cause - that lay in software.

re: Hood Insulation Pad -- Easy enough to install but is not at all needed. Paint issues did NOT materialize and, though the hood's hotter w/o, it is not required.
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$500+ in parts @ MSRP for the ashtray/lighter/walnut trim.

They don't sell the wooden trim piece that covers the ashtray separately, the wood grains don't match. I don't smoke, but that's where I locate my electronic countermeasure controls -- so if I had ordered one of these cars and taken delivery without any warning that it had been deleted, I would have been unhappy. (Smokers were likely unhappy.)

Porsche offers a "smoker's package" at N/C that provides a lighter/socket and covered ashtray for ashes or coins/tokens.
You did see the by BMW standards part of the quote right?
Seriously, I didn't know the ash tray/trim parts are that much. I have looked at some of the stuff for our 11 335D and the things we care about don't add up to 500.00 combined. As for the motor pad under the hood, it is a 10 min do it yourself job. I can't say it makes the motor any quieter, but it had a big effect on how hot the top of the hood gets after a hard drive. I'm not sure if this helps keep the paint in good shape or not, but it doesn't hurt. N4S
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You did see the by BMW standards part of the quote right?
Seriously, I didn't know the ash tray/trim parts are that much. I have looked at some of the stuff for our 11 335D and the things we care about don't add up to 500.00 combined. As for the motor pad under the hood, it is a 10 min do it yourself job. I can't say it makes the motor any quieter, but it had a big effect on how hot the top of the hood gets after a hard drive. I'm not sure if this helps keep the paint in good shape or not, but it doesn't hurt. N4S
I saw it, but even by BMW standards, $500+ for a piece of composite material covered with paper-thin wood veneer plus an ashtray is a lot.

The only thing above I would really care about is the cover for the ashtray compartment, and the power outlet, which was repositioned to an awkward place under the glovebox. The netting makes the seat backs look more "finished" but I don't use them. I think they deleted a few more tools from the toolkit, too. The hand crank for the sunroof was deleted prior to MY 2008, because I needed to buy one.

Oh, and with the LCI they deleted the pre-wiring for the alarm system. That's a biggie IMO, since installing the alarm was one of those "traditional" new BMW weekend projects.
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I actually prefer the open bin instead of the covered ashtray, although the power outlet is nice to have. I did noticed that my 2011 only has 2 tools I think and a lot of blank spots in the kit; I haven't looked at the kits in the earlier models.

I also noticed that the under-trunk compartment is a different shape than my 2011, but is that because it's a 328 instead of 335?
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BMW removed the covered ashtray? Mine is 09, but I'm not missing anything except the hood insulation. Also, you get LED turnsignals, LED taillights, plate lights, etc. The upgraded iDrive is also a huge improvement, and the hard drive for music is awesome. Not sure what audio the 335 comes with, but I have HIFI and while its no L7, sounds pretty good; much better than the stock A4 and C300 system.

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