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Old 01-17-2014, 05:34 PM
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im looking for a good bmw scanner,wich one you guys use and why,some tips or recomendation are more than welcome,thanks in advance
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I like this one. Bought it from xcar360.com from China. You can find them in US for a little more money also. It sends a Bluetooth signal out to your iPad or iPhone. It can be used on multiple cars, very user friendly, clears codes, gives real time data on tons of sensors.Click image for larger version

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im looking for a good bmw scanner,wich one you guys use and why,some tips or recomendation are more than welcome,thanks in advance

Well, ah, THIS has some sort of market presence.

BMW uses THIS
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Genisys 3874HD EVO With Heavy Duty 2012 Domestic/Asian /2011 European with System 5.0 Includes Domestic OEM Cables /HD software and cables

I have yet to hook into the BMW but if I get a chance I will this weekend just to play around. Def a bit more than your home owners special, but so far every car I have used it on it has been AWESOME.
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Can i reprogram the trottle body.with those scanner
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I like this one. Bought it from xcar360.com from China. You can find them in US for a little more money also. It sends a Bluetooth signal out to your iPad or iPhone. It can be used on multiple cars, very user friendly, clears codes, gives real time data on tons of sensors.Attachment 417588Attachment 417589

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Multiple cars? Like Ford, etc? Or BMW type? Would you be able to rate the accuracy?
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Multiple cars? Like Ford, etc? Or BMW type? Would you be able to rate the accuracy?
Its just a generic OBD scanner. Useless, really, won't read any actual BMW codes, just vague OBD faults.
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Its just a generic OBD scanner. Useless, really, won't read any actual BMW codes, just vague OBD faults.
Do you have a recommendation?
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Do you have a recommendation?
Bavarian Technic is an excellent, user-friendly tool for reading and clearing fault codes, resetting adaptations and modules, etc.

You'd only need to purchase the Basic Kit if you're only go to use it on a single BMW (the cable is VIN locked), or the Enthusiast Kit for up to three cars.

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Do you have a recommendation?


Check my post above, the only scanners worth buying IMHO
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Check my post above, the only scanners worth buying IMHO
What you posted, one product was a cable, the other product was software...so I presume one needs to buy both to have a working and useful capability.

So why the $180 cable vs. a $50 ebay cable?
How does one know -- what features does one shop for, that is listed in product features description -- that you verify (before buying) a product can read actual BMW codes, and not merely vague OBD faults?

You see descriptions "for E90 thru 20nn"... what, if anything, is different about a 2011 E90 vs. an earlier E90, from the diagnostic cable selection criteria?

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You see descriptions "for E90 thru 20nn"... what, if anything, is different about a 2011 E90 vs. an earlier E90, from the diagnostic cable selection criteria?
In March 2007, the protocol for communication changed from D Line to K line. Or the other way around....I never can remember which way it goes but that's the transition date.

Cars built before 3/07 require the less expensive cable that can be bought for as low as $20 on eBay. Cars built after 3/07, need a different cable that is more expensive. The recommended cable (that has been confirmed numerous times to work for both pre/post 3/07), is $100 from one-stop-electronics.com It comes with an adapter for pre 3/07 builds.

This cable requires you to download BMW Standard Tools and set up the software correct. Definitely not a user friendly setup. In addition to installing the software, you need to load data into those programs. For coding, you need "daten" files loaded into NCS Expert and ECU files into Ediabas. For diagnostics, you need to setup INPA with scripts, configure the menus, and load the ECU files. For programming, you need to load ECU files into Ediabas, assemble line data, programming files, etc into WinKFP.

There are packages that exist that have everything setup and you manually load the files into designated directories, set environmental variables in windows, etc and you're set to go.

The problem with these packages is that they are often out of date, have corrupt files, and can only do what they were originally setup to do (unless you know how to load your own files as per the third paragraph above).

The easiest and most user friendly diagnostic tool is the one linked above, the BavTech Tool. But this tool can only do diagnostics (read/erase faults, component activation, etc).....no coding, unless the pro version ($1000) is purchased. Even then, I don't think you can do custom coding. There are things I can force our cars to do that they are not meant to.

The most bang for your buck tool?.....that's the coding cable and the BMW Standard tools package. If you're willing to invest the time to learn the software, no other tool will compare....except the dealer level software, ISTA or ISIS.
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fdriller9, Thanks for the very comprehensive yet simple to understand explanation!!!

Is there any reason that the $100 one-stop electronics cable would not work with BMW GT1 / DIS V57 which Cal linked? And do you have any understanding about BMW GT1 / DIS V57 and it not having the burden of set of everything, manually load the files into designated directories, set environmental variables in windows, etc.?

Lastly, then $100 one-stop electronics cable ...can it be used for coding (I presume this is the cable mentioned in the last paragraph of your post)?

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No problem.

I'm not familiar with GT1 or DIS enough to give any advice. Though, if I were to take a stab at it, I would say it shouldn't matter.

I can tell you thy DIS is a very outdated diagnostic system. It was superseded by ISTA/P or ISTA/D. Then later superseded by ISIS.

ISTA requires you run a VM (virtual machine). It requires access to a server which you can trick ad run in the VM. So you don't actually need a hardware server.

I have limited knowledge of ISTA but have no clue about ISIS or DIS for that matter.

And yes that one-stop-elec cable is capable of coding all cars before the f series. Even Rxx, mini coopers.

F series use an Ethernet protocol, ENET. E-SYS is the software used for coding however you must purchase a PIN to actually code.
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What you posted, one product was a cable, the other product was software...so I presume one needs to buy both to have a working and useful capability.

So why the $180 cable vs. a $50 ebay cable?
How does one know -- what features does one shop for, that is listed in product features description -- that you verify (before buying) a product can read actual BMW codes, and not merely vague OBD faults?

You see descriptions "for E90 thru 20nn"... what, if anything, is different about a 2011 E90 vs. an earlier E90, from the diagnostic cable selection criteria?

Well, yeah, their recommendation is THIS - no big deal.
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Well, yeah, their recommendation is THIS - no big deal.
And the first question presented says:
Q: Will this cable work on 2011 BMW 328i xDrive?

A: It should work. However I will let you know that my cable has stopped working after about 1 month from this seller. Id advise buying one with the Green board inside.
Boy, this topic area is not a simple thing to try to understand what works and what doesn't! Especially with the abbreviated replies from Cal

And while fdriller9's reply was clearer, it does leave one rather dubious about the GIS/DT1 software that was recommended what with multiple generations of 'superceded by', and wondering about how complex is the setup of the other software that gets downloaded with the $170 cable.

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And the first question presented says:
Q: Will this cable work on 2011 BMW 328i xDrive?

A: It should work. However I will let you know that my cable has stopped working after about 1 month from this seller. Id advise buying one with the Green board inside.
Boy, this topic area is not a simple thing to try to understand what works and what doesn't! Especially with the abbreviated replies from Cal

And while fdriller9's reply was clearer, it does leave one rather dubious about the GIS/DT1 software that was recommended what with multiple generations of 'superceded by', and wondering about how complex is the setup of the other software that gets downloaded with the $170 cable.

Whelp, that was their recommendation. Beyond that can't tell you much - I use Bavarian Technic. Simple; direct. Recommended for the BMW owner.
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Whelp, that was their recommendation. Beyond that can't tell you much - I use Bavarian Technic. Simple; direct. Recommended for the BMW owner.
Yet the link posted by Verts4ever says:

"What cars does it work on?
2005-2009 BMW 1 Series
1996-2009 BMW 3 Series"

...and I have a 2011. So I am trying to understand what ramifications there are to possible issues with my 2011 -- before springing for $170
...and ending up with something that does not permit coding!

Reading more on the Bavarian Technic web site, it states:
"Will this work on American and Australian BMW's?

Yes, this is an international version which will work with all Left and Right hand drive BMW's manufactured for UK, European, American, Canadian and all other International markets on BMW & Mini vehicles with factory build dates between 1995 and March 2009."

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Doing some additional searching on another forum found this thread, http://www.babybmw.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28166 and a post which says:

"From 03/2007 until early 2010 BMW built ALL cars with a D-CAN electronics bus. This requires a special OBD2 cable which, unlike earlier cables, has a microchip built into the OBD2 connecting block - hence they are not easy to find & very expensive....

If you have a car built after 2010 you can no longer carry out home diagnostics/function coding - it's a dealer job with specialised equipment now."

That statement is consistent with the 'thru 2009' statement on products like the Bavarian Technic web site states.
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That's is false.

I code 2011-2013 e9x all the time.

I c an pull diagnostic faults from the dme or any other module.

I use BMW standard tools package and the $100 cable from one stop elec

Like I said, it's all about knowing how to setup the software.

I can even use INPA on Fxx series. You have to write your own scripts. It's all included/explained in the PDFs that come with the software.
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That's is false.

I code 2011-2013 e9x all the time.

I c an pull diagnostic faults from the dme or any other module.

I use BMW standard tools package and the $100 cable from one stop elec

Like I said, it's all about knowing how to setup the software.

I can even use INPA on Fxx series. You have to write your own scripts. It's all included/explained in the PDFs that come with the software.
ding! ding! We have yet more evidence of the fact that internet helps spread misinformation (or at least very conflicting and confusing information).
Thanks for confirmation that the $100 cable from One Stop, along with BMW standard tools, works on 2011 E90s.
All of my searching multiple forums for specifically the answer about the cable + software that works on 2011 E90s has proven fruitless until your most recent reply. Others have asked the question, too, only to get no reply. And products like Bavarian Technik state on their websites about compatibility only 'thru 2009'.

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Yet the link posted by Verts4ever says:

"What cars does it work on?
2005-2009 BMW 1 Series
1996-2009 BMW 3 Series"

...and I have a 2011. So I am trying to understand what ramifications there are to possible issues with my 2011 -- before springing for $170
...and ending up with something that does not permit coding!

TRUE! BT has a beta for 2010+, but not a commercial product yet.
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That's is false.

I code 2011-2013 e9x all the time.

I c an pull diagnostic faults from the dme or any other module.

I use BMW standard tools package and the $100 cable from one stop elec

Like I said, it's all about knowing how to setup the software.

I can even use INPA on Fxx series. You have to write your own scripts. It's all included/explained in the PDFs that come with the software.
Now if only BMW Standard Tools was more user friendly...
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...11&postcount=1

" This (DIY) approach is necessary for 3 reasons. 1) BMW Standard Tools includes INPA, but it does not contain any INPA scripts or configuration files. 2) The latest INPA scripts are in German which is why we preserve the English scripts from INPA 5.0.2. 3) The latest SP Daten files are German metric and do not work properly with INPA 5.0.2 and friends....


"BMW Standard Tools 2.12 includes INPA 5.0.6 for diagnostics, NCS-Expert 4.0.1 for coding and WinKFP 5.3.1 for programing as well as a host of other BMW Group plant support tools. This software was not intended to be used by your neighborhood BMW dealer. There is also a development release of BMW Standard Tools which includes PAFMaker, SWE-Generator, XBD-Generator, Muster-PABD, P-SGBD, etc. and supports Vector CAN interfaces. The development release is outside the scope of this DIY.

"This is complicated software that requires a significant effort to understand. If your technically astute, comfortable with Microsoft Windows administrative tasks and want to learn to manually install the software and integrate the SP Daten files on which it depends, this is the right DIY for you.

" This DIY is not intended to be the "easy button." If you want a mixture of BMW software, third-party software and data files of unknown origins pre-configured for you because your in a rush to try your new cable, look elsewhere."

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BMWhat looks like a cheap alernative

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...iNi.bmwhatFull

Its suppose to provide some programming ability to .
I think you need a bluetooth dongle but don't know which one.

Also its on your phone so way more portable than a PC.

I got DIS57 to work but its very involved I know vmware fairly well now.

Also at some point you need whats called an ICOM optical interface to reprogram some
things like the radio for instance.

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