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Old 05-04-2014, 01:45 AM
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i have aftermarket camera but in your setup with OEM camera i think your NBT is not coded correctly.
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Old 05-04-2014, 01:47 AM
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I am not sure if I need emulator to get OEM camera to work or not.

I tried a lot with coding, but no success
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Old 05-04-2014, 02:21 AM
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for oem camera you dont need emulator. Make sure you have 3AG in your car's VO and code NBT-HU and PDC.
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Old 05-04-2014, 02:23 AM
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I already tried this. But everytime I try to Vo Code NBT-HU, I get error message
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Old 05-04-2014, 05:01 AM
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then code it manually, set camera type to TRSVC, enable macro for RVC and set RVC input to 41.
also make sure PDC is coded for rearview camera.
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Old 05-04-2014, 05:12 AM
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Ok. Thank you. I will try

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also make sure PDC is coded for rearview camera.
You mean TRSVC Module?


Do you remember where you put the Pins from Rear View Camera in the main connector of NBT?

I think it should be:

Red to PIN 18
White to PIN 28
Shielding to PIN 27

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Old 05-04-2014, 05:29 AM
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No, i mean PDC module.

The pins you used are not correct for NBT.
Here is the correct NBT pinout.
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Old 05-04-2014, 05:39 AM
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I am not sure if there is a special PDC Module. But if there is one, I never changed there something.


Ok. So this is like the original pinout of my car.

I have seen camera retrofit instructions for BMW F10 with the pinout I posted

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Old 05-04-2014, 07:58 AM
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This is NBT pinout and is different to CIC, if you replaced you CIC with NBT unit you must rewire accordingly.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:06 AM
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I replaced HU_Entry with NBT. No CIC

The original Pinout of my car is like the picture you postet.
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Old 05-04-2014, 01:54 PM
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@neo: First of all, good work! I think it looks very nice!

Can you send me a price for the Emulator or a link to a shop?

I would retrofit in my E92 335i

greetings from Germany
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:43 PM
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@Pepe_335i : PM sent.
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Old 05-05-2014, 02:42 AM
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Yes, the emulator is available.

To install NBT in any E Series you need the following parts:
- NBT-HU from F30;
- NBT CID from F30 or F25;
- Touch Controller;
- Touch ECU;
- NBT Video Cable;
- USB/Aux Port for armrest;
- USB cable
- Faceplate for CIC according to your vehicle (frontpanel buttons); (if car has CIC the actual one can be reused)
- Monitor trim according to your vehicle; (if car has professional navigation CIC or CCC the actual one can be reused)

If car has CCC the following parts are also required:
- Dash trim for CIC headunit according to your vehicle;
- Console trim for CIC controller according to your vehicle;

Combox is not required anymore in NBT setup as NBT has built-in combox. NBT has 2 USB ports which will allow usb/ipod playback including VIDEO from USB, has built-in bluetooth for phone and music streaming. If car has bluetooth of any kinf (TCU/MULF/Combox) this must be removed. Microphone and BT aerial must be connected directly to NBT head-unit.
Hi, thank you very much for your great answer. Regarding USB connections, I am still in doubt with it. In order to attach and control and iPod (touch 3rd gen.) with NBT, is the option 6FL mandatory or otherwise just enough to run the wire from armrest to NBT USB port?.

At this moment I don't have aux/USB 6FL installed, only jack AUX in armrest, CCC, MOST iPod module in the glovebox (that would be removed for NBT retrofit) and MULF for BT.

Regarding the CIC faceplate with buttons and backlight, can that be bought in BMW dealer?. Just only the faceplate for CIC, not the whole headunit. Does anybody know the p/n reference?.

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Old 05-05-2014, 08:04 AM
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you need just the USB port and cable, cic faceplate can be bought in any BMW dealer, for E90 the part number for faceplate is 65 12 9 270 247 and costs about 95 euro + tax at BMW dealers in Europe. BTW i can sell one to you for 70 euro if you want.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:31 AM
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Yes, you need a hardware emulator for nbt to work. The emulator not just activates navigation, voice control and camera but also converts some protocols for nbt to understand. The most important ones are pdc and kombi communication which makes cbs,mboard comouter and cc messages to show corectly on nbt. Also emulator converts cic front panel serial comunication to can signal so all the front panel buttons are fully operational.
To answer your other question, cic front panel will be fixed to the trim not to the nbt unit.
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What kind of emulator did you use? Could you give me a link?
I guess it should have K-CAN on the car side and K-CAN2 on the HU side?
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:06 AM
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Fitted today the touch controller and connected the rear view camera.

Can you tell me which Touch controllers are compatible? I really like the all black version:



But it seems it's only available for the 5 series F10, and I'm not sure if the connector/pin-outs are the same as for the F30.

Also, did you have to modify the opening in the center console to fit the Touch controller? And how did you secure the controller to the cover because it appears the mounting tabs are different?
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:10 AM
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any touch controller will work. it fits in the opening and i built a custom bracket to fix it to the original mounting holes.
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:30 AM
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any touch controller will work. it fits in the opening and i built a custom bracket to fix it to the original mounting holes.
Thanks for those pix! Perfect solution to mount the controller!

According to RealOEM, there are two components that comprise the Touch controller system: the controller itself and a controller unit, PN 65829347470.

Is this controller unit that large squarish thing on the bottom of the Touch controller? or is it mounted elsewhere that has not been depicted in your photos?

And if it is that bottom section, I'm wondering if Touch controllers purchase either off of eBay or through BMW already have that included, or must I purchase it separately?
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:43 AM
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The Touch ECU is not in the pictures. This unit does handwriting recognition. Controller works without it but will not detect your finger writing. In the center console there is plenty of room for it as its very small in size. Like a matchbox. For our installations we always purchase this ECU new from BMW. Price is about 80 euro. Be aware that there are many versions available for different regions, you will need the US/ECE version which works with latin alphabet. There are versions for china, japan, korea, arab coutries, etc.
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Old 05-08-2014, 10:51 PM
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The only NBT systems generally available are those from Europe (mostly from Latvia). Are these nav units even usable in the US? Do they need some sort of FW update or coding to function here? I know in the early days people retrofitting CCC into their cars had issues with European head units/components in US-spec cars and eventually discarded/resold those units back to European buyers and got US-spec components.
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Old 05-09-2014, 12:52 AM
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Any NBT unit can be installed in US cars as long as is coded correctly. The only difference from hardware point of view are the units with built in satellite radio which are designed for US market only. Indeed this units are hard to find as in Europe we have DAB radio.
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Old 05-09-2014, 03:33 AM
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Is NBT able to tune DAB channels here in Europe together with standard analog AM/FM channels?. Or should we need any specific hardware?
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Old 05-09-2014, 05:58 AM
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There is NBT unit with built-in DAB+ receiver. Is different hardware. Usually a little more expensive compared to the standard AM/FM one.
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Old 05-09-2014, 06:14 AM
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There is NBT unit with built-in DAB+ receiver. Is different hardware. Usually a little more expensive compared to the standard AM/FM one.
Interesting and good to know. Will DAB+ receiver work with Spanish stations?
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Old 05-09-2014, 06:34 AM
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Yes, according to Wikipedia:

Spain

A total of 18 DAB audio services are on air. Population coverage is currently 20%. The Spanish DAB Association (Asociación Foro de la Radio Digital) comprising both national private and public broadcasters, is responsible for DAB/DAB+ in Spain.

Spain first began broadcasting terrestrial digital radio in April 1998 covering Madrid, Barcelona and Valencia. From 2002 to June 2011, 23 transmitters covered the 52% of the Spanish population through three national multiplexes (1 SFN and 2 MFN). In addition, in some Comunidades Autónomas, DAB services were launched on additional regional multiplexes, but they are currently switched off.

The Council of Ministers reached an agreement on Digital Radio in June 2011 and approved a Digitalisation Plan for Terrestrial Broadcasting with the following measures:

1. Reduction of DAB coverage from 52% to 20%, in order to facilitate a migration to DAB+

2. Flexibility for the broadcasters, in order to allow for migration to DAB+

3. Study of a possible reassignment of the multiplexes

4. Promotional activities through the Spanish DAB Forum

5. DAB+ trials

6. A study of the necessary conditions to determine the date of a possible analogue switch off[39]
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