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Old 02-11-2014, 11:02 PM
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Considering a preowned 7 series

I am in need of a second car, one that has some size to it. to make a long story short, i am considering a 7 series (745-750) somewhere between the years of 2003-2006. I am wondering what I would be getting into. Most of my cars, have been american, usually purchased new. This is a step outside of my comfort zone, but the 7 series BMW seems to have the styling and performance that i am looking for. I hear about electrical issues, i would like to know if this is legit or something that is overblown. I would also hope to gain any additional knowledge that would help me make a good decision. (maintenance costs, gas millage, and any other information that you can think of). Please let me know about your experiences. Thanks!
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:00 AM
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Whatever model year you go with, prepare to spend big money on repairs. These cars drive like no other, but it's just sad to say that they aren't reliable, at all. I can't even take my new body 7 on a road trip without adding oil, or experiencing some kind of a malfunction.

Try looking at the Lexus LS; they are pretty luxurious and most importantly, dependable. If you are dead set on getting the 7, I would go with a 2006+ model. BMW fixed some issues, so it will be a little more reliable than the 745.
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Old 02-12-2014, 05:47 AM
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Electrical problems are almost always a failing battery. The right battery is expensive and actually needs to be registered to the car by the dealer or someone with the right software. If the car has a failing battery and it's replaced by the wrong type and not registered, problems continue and people get frustrated.

I wouldn't say the car is unreliable. Mine has over 145k miles and I still drive it from Austin to Dallas (200 miles each way) regularly. There are some parts that commonly fail, but most can be identified and replaced fairly easily. There are some expensive problems that are very common and will need to be addressed with any car. That's why I break it suggest this budget for maintenance and repairs:
745: $3,000/year
750: $2,000/year
760: $2,500/year

I drive a 760, so that's the only gas mileage I can quote. I get 21mpg on the highway trips and 13 mpg around town. That's the price I pay for a V-12.


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Old 02-12-2014, 01:57 PM
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@j750 what repairs would I need to have made? It's our safe to assume that the engine and tranny would be sound?

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Old 02-12-2014, 02:21 PM
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@j750 what repairs would I need to have made? It's our safe to assume that the engine and tranny would be sound?

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No, that's not a safe assumption. The 745 is known to have issues with the secondary air system. Both the 745 and 750 have issues with valve stem seals. The 745, 750, and 760 can have issues with the coolant transfer pipe. Individually, any of those issues could set you back $2,500.


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Old 02-12-2014, 02:54 PM
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@SuperSnoop,

Am I looking at moneypit? I love the styling, and performance. i understand that the cost of ownership is a litter higher, and would not expect the same reliability of a Lexus, but i would expect it to be at lease as reliable as a comparable american car. Are my expectations of base?
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Old 02-12-2014, 03:34 PM
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I'd say it's as reliable, but parts and labor are more expensive. Can you afford the budget I suggested? I think the car is worth it, and I love mine, but you need to purchase with the right expectations or you'll be unhappy. There are a lot of posts from people who think these cars are junk and say that they should be sold instead of fixed. Those are the people who can't afford the maintenance and repairs that these cars demand.


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Old 02-12-2014, 04:06 PM
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@SuperSnoop,

Thanks again. The budget I would consider reasonable, at the very least, it isn't a deal breaker.

Is there a maintenance list\ owners manual posted somewhere on this site to look at? I'll do the search but if someone has a link it would make my job easier.

Disregard, found link to manuals

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Old 02-12-2014, 04:27 PM
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I'd say it's as reliable, but parts and labor are more expensive. Can you afford the budget I suggested? I think the car is worth it, and I love mine, but you need to purchase with the right expectations or you'll be unhappy. There are a lot of posts from people who think these cars are junk and say that they should be sold instead of fixed. Those are the people who can't afford the maintenance and repairs that these cars demand.


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The people ditching their cars rather than fixing them are doing so because it's not feasible to keep sinking money into a car that requires repair after repair, and eventually reaching a point where they've spent more money than what the car is worth.
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Old 02-13-2014, 05:13 PM
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If you are mechanically inclined, ownership is really not bad. If you need to pay someone to do work for you, then it's a bit of a different story. At a minimum look at 750's, the 745's were loaded with early problems. None of the 7's are without fault, so do your research and be comfortable with the problems that come with the year you are looking for.
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My 750 has been a very solid car, take that as it still has under 50k miles. I do see 3 drops of oil under garage floor as its been sitting this winter so I will bring it in for a trans gasket and flush. Stay away from the 745. In the 5 yrs of owner ship I only paid for for a lower rad hose and sensor, warty covered a few items. The key on these is to get someone that changed the oil every 5k or less like myself.
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Old 02-14-2014, 05:44 PM
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Ive had my 2002 745i for almost 7 years now. About a year after I bought it, warranty had run out. Yes at times the car may command some attention from your wallet, but the car originally was over 100k so u must expect some things to cost some money. Same goes for any car too.

I hated my car at one point cause it was commanding lots of attention from the wallet, but after repairing the car, its been a beautiful machine to me.

So much that two weeks ago I purchased a brand new one from the dealer. 750i with m sport package. And I kept my old 745

Everyone said how bad 2002 745i was but I never had any electrical problems, no tranny problems, I just treated it like a car and gave it proper service. Best car I ever bought.

745 or 750, what a great machine.
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Old 02-14-2014, 06:15 PM
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Ive had my 2002 745i for almost 7 years now. About a year after I bought it, warranty had run out. Yes at times the car may command some attention from your wallet, but the car originally was over 100k so u must expect some things to cost some money. Same goes for any car too.

I hated my car at one point cause it was commanding lots of attention from the wallet, but after repairing the car, its been a beautiful machine to me.

So much that two weeks ago I purchased a brand new one from the dealer. 750i with m sport package. And I kept my old 745

Everyone said how bad 2002 745i was but I never had any electrical problems, no tranny problems, I just treated it like a car and gave it proper service. Best car I ever bought.

745 or 750, what a great machine.
Any pictures of the new machine? Congrats!
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Old 02-14-2014, 07:32 PM
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The people ditching their cars rather than fixing them are doing so because it's not feasible to keep sinking money into a car that requires repair after repair, and eventually reaching a point where they've spent more money than what the car is worth.

but you can say that about any car, about an old Honda accord, even. i find my 152K mile 760li to be one of the most reliable cars i have ever owned.

by the way, this subject comes up once a week. you can search and find even more opinions, and also, faq sheets about the usual issues.

honestly. i find the V12 --as it gets well above 100k miles-- has only one really big engine expense that shows up regularly ---and the V8s, no matter what year, seem to have more very expensive engine issues.

and when i first joined this forum, and everyones car was below 100k miles. everyone told me not to buy a V12. glad i did not listen.
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:26 PM
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Preventative maintenance is the key to any 7 series, the more you do the better your car will run. Some things like any car will need replacing when you reach 100k water pump, thermostat, coolant system ,hoses. After the major things repaired its pretty much regular car maintenance. Change your oil every 5-7 k miles don't take BMW advice once year or every 12k miles its the cheapest thing you can do.

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The people ditching their cars rather than fixing them are doing so because it's not feasible to keep sinking money into a car that requires repair after repair, and eventually reaching a point where they've spent more money than what the car is worth.
I absolutely agree with you, I'm not sure if I would ever own a BMW out of warranty.


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