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Old 10-15-2004, 02:11 PM
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Buying an X5 Real Soon, Need Help; 4.4 or 3.0?

I know this is an age old question. But I gotta ask...and yes I have read the stuff on RF, etc.

I am looking to buy an x5 with SP, PP, CWP, Navi, etc. 2005 of course.

The question is whether to go with a 3.0 or a 4.4, what do you guys think? Is the 3.0 powerful enough? I, of course, don't have unlimited funds...so I need to make an educated decision. I did test drive both, the 3.0 is powerful, but the 4.4 is a monsta!!!

I live in Northern Virgina, I work around Philly. I commute from Philly to DC over the weekends, in the weekdays I'm in Philly, in the weekends i'm in DC. So thats a commute of 240 miles a week.

Given snow (heater), summer (A/C), will that take a lot of juice out of the car?

What do you guys think? I gotta take your opinion ($0.02) before deciding.
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Old 10-15-2004, 02:25 PM
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I know this is an age old question. But I gotta ask...and yes I have read the stuff on RF, etc.

I am looking to buy an x5 with SP, PP, CWP, Navi, etc. 2005 of course.

The question is whether to go with a 3.0 or a 4.4, what do you guys think? Is the 3.0 powerful enough? I, of course, don't have unlimited funds...so I need to make an educated decision. I did test drive both, the 3.0 is powerful, but the 4.4 is a monsta!!!

I live in Northern Virgina, I work around Philly. I commute from Philly to DC over the weekends, in the weekdays I'm in Philly, in the weekends i'm in DC. So thats a commute of 240 miles a week.

Given snow (heater), summer (A/C), will that take a lot of juice out of the car?

What do you guys think? I gotta take your opinion ($0.02) before deciding.
cause you guys are kewl
If you can spare the funds then go for the 4.4. However, if you don't have the loose change lying around or you really don't absolutely need that extra rush of pure power or plan on doing any towing with the vehicle, the 3.0 is plenty of power to push the X5 along.
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The 3.0 is more than adequate for most uses. Get the 4.4 if you enjoy speed or if you tow/carry full loads/climb mountains frequently.
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Old 10-15-2004, 03:30 PM
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I agree with the previous folks. I have the 4.4 and love it. I had an e46 with the same 3.0 engine, so the upgrade to the 4.4 was wonderful. You'll have to weigh the cost of gas, whether or not you'll be towing anything, and the overall looks of each. As far as the looks, you can always try to retrofit a 3.0 to look like the 4.4 later down the line to save some upfront money.
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Old 10-15-2004, 03:47 PM
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The other thing on a 4.4 versus the 3.0 that people tend to overlook is the insurance costs. At least in this area, insurance rate on the 3.0 is quite a bit lower than on the 4.4.

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I agree with the previous folks. I have the 4.4 and love it. I had an e46 with the same 3.0 engine, so the upgrade to the 4.4 was wonderful. You'll have to weigh the cost of gas, whether or not you'll be towing anything, and the overall looks of each. As far as the looks, you can always try to retrofit a 3.0 to look like the 4.4 later down the line to save some upfront money.
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You'll have to weigh the cost of gas
The new 4.4 valvetronic is as efficient for gas mileage as the 3.0. Actually, the 3.0 is rated 15/21 and the 4.4 is 16/22.



http://tinyurl.com/36qbh (choose X5 4.4 at the bottom).

I test drove both and since I'm doing mostly highway driving the 4.4 was an easy choice. If it were mostly for around town, I would have considered the 3.0.
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Old 10-15-2004, 05:11 PM
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It's your call. If you don't go too crazy with options you could get a nice 4.4 for the cost of a loaded 3.0.

The other option is going a year old and getting your 4.4 with a price that is acceptable.
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Old 10-15-2004, 05:51 PM
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My personal choice would be a 4.4i, just because I like the power. I've heard the 3.0 described as having "enough" power, and I've heard it called sluggish. If you don't need a drag racer, its fine. I've got a 4.4i, and I wouldn't go any lower. I like the sound, the power, and the handling feel. Mileage is comparable.
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Old 10-15-2004, 05:55 PM
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Go 4.4!

I drove the 3.0 and was somewhat underwhelmed. The 4.4 is distinctly different, but as you mentioned it comes at a price. In the end after I drove the 4.4, I ruled out the 3.0.

This is an unbelievable vehicle. Either way I am sure you will enjoy it.
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Old 10-16-2004, 08:59 AM
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Thanks felas

This feedback has been great.

The decision is still up in the air though , which is my fault of course.
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Old 10-16-2004, 09:01 AM
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FYI...
I checked the insurance costs, and the 4.4 turned out to be an extra $150 over six months, which is okay.
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Old 10-16-2004, 09:20 AM
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The new 4.4 valvetronic is as efficient for gas mileage as the 3.0. Actually, the 3.0 is rated 15/21 and the 4.4 is 16/22.
Odd - BMW GB rates the 3.0i as slightly better than the 4.4i, and road tests confirm that even in Valvetronic form, the 4.4i is incredibly consumptive in real life - particularly when stomping it off the line. Personally, I would give both a wide berth, and go for the 3.0d...
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Old 10-16-2004, 09:23 AM
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Personally, I would give both a wide berth, and go for the 3.0d...
Unfortunately, the 3.0d is not offered here in the States
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Old 10-16-2004, 09:55 AM
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I went through the same struggle at the end of August. I chose the 4.4 because of the power. I'm definitlely happy with my choice. The extra power makes the ride that much better. I too have a long commute- around 450 mi per week.
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Old 10-17-2004, 05:10 PM
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Old 10-17-2004, 06:03 PM
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Odd - BMW GB rates the 3.0i as slightly better than the 4.4i, and road tests confirm that even in Valvetronic form, the 4.4i is incredibly consumptive in real life - particularly when stomping it off the line. Personally, I would give both a wide berth, and go for the 3.0d...
Sure if you stomp on a 4.4 V8 it's going to outconsume a 3.0 I6. I get about 18.5 combined (mostly highway) but I expect I drive a little faster on the highway than the EPA testers


As noted, no 3.0d over here.
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Sure if you stomp on a 4.4 V8 it's going to outconsume a 3.0 I6. I get about 18.5 combined (mostly highway) but I expect I drive a little faster on the highway than the EPA testers


As noted, no 3.0d over here.

Get a 3.0 and then have this done to it http://www.birds.uk.com/1-PDFs/E5310530510.pdf

anyone want to buy a 3.0D, shipping not included
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Old 10-18-2004, 11:06 AM
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If you are considering between 3.0 vs 4.4, then get 4.4 if you can afford it. While 3.0 is perfectly fine, it is not match of 4.4 in power. If you got 3.0, you will just regret not getting a 4.4 later.

Yes, 4.4 is not as efficient as on the sticker. My friends 4.4 average out to about 18MPG over about 10K miles. I think 3.0 can do better in real life.

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If you are considering between 3.0 vs 4.4, then get 4.4 if you can afford it. While 3.0 is perfectly fine, it is not match of 4.4 in power. If you got 3.0, you will just regret not getting a 4.4 later.

Yes, 4.4 is not as efficient as on the sticker. My friends 4.4 average out to about 18MPG over about 10K miles. I think 3.0 can do better in real life.

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Totally agree with you. I bought a 3.0 first and traded it in after 2 weeks for a 4.4i. And after so many problems with the Service Engine Soon (SES) light, I am now driving a 4.6is. Nothing beats the extra power of a 4.6is, except the 4.8is, of course!
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Smile All depends on yer other cars dude...

I love my 3.0i. More power? Heck yeah, who wouldn't want that.

If all I had was the X5 for my one and only BMW, I would take all the money from my other two cars, and the X 3.0i ... and get a 4.8is.

But I can't afford to have all three.. and have the X be that 4.8is power mule. So the X is a little more practical-affordable in this scenario. I get my power ya ya's from the Coupe. :-) ... But I still get to go cross country skiing and mountain biking, thanks to the X !


So you see sir... It all depends on what your other cars are. If this is going to be your one and only performance car.. the car you get into, not just to go skiing, or pick up bark dust bags, or go camping in.. but this is the car you get into to have some accelerator fun, .. well then I can tell you, you're going to be dissapointed with the X5 3.0i. You should wait, if necessary, for the extra funds, and spring for the 4.4.

The 3.0i is a blast around town and is hugely satisfying. This is mostly because of it's wound out 4.10 differentials. But on the highway, climbing in a mountain pass, and you find yourself wanting to pass a car that doing 55... the 3.0i doesn't have a whole lot more to give you. Ironically.. the 4.10 diffys are working against you at this point. The 3.0i is a kick ass "around the town and 25mph country cornering machine". On the highway, it does not shine.

I plan on supercharging the X, rather than trading it in for a 4.4 or 4.8. I love my inline 6 X. I just want a little more passing power. A supercharged 3.0i would likely cook a stock 4.4 (weight difference). Plus, it would handle better (again.. less weight in the nose).

So actually, there's another option for you. Get a 3.0i and Supercharge it for $6,000. Take the $4k you save on not getting the 4.4i, and put it into car toys and a set of low profiles. I'm DYING to install a Supercharger on someone's 3 liter, as I'm likely to put them on all three cars eventually, and I need some one to learn with. :-) Seriously.. if I had someone else in or near my town who wanted to team up on an SC project, I'd jump at the chance in an instant.


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Old 10-18-2004, 03:44 PM
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"..though a little sluggish off the line.."


Actually, I've read a couple of times, that the 3.0i is slightly faster right off the line than the 4.4i.

Having driven a 4.4i in town, I wouldn't be surprised if that "urban X5 myth" wasn't true. I've never tried 'em side by side, but they feel the same to me.

But then when the mid torque band of the V8 kicks in 50 feet down the road, it's all over.


.. again.. the wound out 4.10 differentials in the 3.0i. Better low end torque ratio, at the wheel half shafts, during initial spin up. Plus the lighter weight of the engine.

I'm with you Kaefer. I love my inline 6 X5. :-)
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I could spend several paragraphs telling you my dilemma at the end of last year, which was the same you are in......3.0 or 4.4 (for much more $).

the outcome is simple: 4.4i

1. more power, almost identical gas mileage, dual exhausts, standard features (like Xenon's, etc).

2. VALVETRONIC!!
Now the 3.0 I6 engine is a fine engine (it was in my 330ci and I loved it...beautiful engine), but it is NO match to the Valvetronic V8! even in the next generation X's, you pretty much have a guarantee that they will be using this engine (perhaps retuned, etc). It is new technology, found in the 745, 545, 645 cars, and you will have it in yours! and this thing is faster than my uncle's 2002 4.4i...

more power, newer and better technology, faster, and all for just a few thousand more than the 3.0
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As noted, no 3.0d over here.
Sorry, was under the impression than the 3.0d was being launched in NA markets next year. Though I am sure the new and improved 3.0 petrol will make an appearance in due course, and while economy should improve, I doubt it'll make that much difference to the X5's performance. An SUV with a 7,000 rpm redline and peak power at six-seven sounds like it might be hard work!
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Old 10-19-2004, 06:57 PM
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Guys, I a got an amazing price on a Cayenne S '04, the price is similar to that of a '05 X5 4.4 with all packages. Both brand new.

What do you guys think?
Is it really a VW, and if so, how much of a VW is it?
I heard that the Cayenne has many problems. Is that true, if so, what kind of problems?
What do you'll think? and give me a reason to decide one way or another.


I need the feedback quick.

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