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Old 02-25-2014, 04:02 PM
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All this talk about expensive to own BMW

What about MB? Are they just as bad, better, or worse than BMW for repair expense?
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:26 PM
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What about MB? Are they just as bad, better, or worse than BMW for repair expense?
Well, let's look at a 2004 Mercedes SL 500 MSRP $88,800.

Current Blue Book« Sugg Ret Value $13,195 - $13,311.

Ouch.

My take is that rich folks don't like the problems of a used car and the "average Joe" is terrified of the costs of maintaining and repairing a Mercedes.

I must admit that I am now considering buying a used SL 500. Beautiful cars and I do almost all of my own repairs.

Maybe I'll be hanging out at Mercedesfest next year.

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Old 02-25-2014, 06:19 PM
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Now let's look at a 2006 M5 with a similar MSRP of $84,000

Kelly Blue Book Value $19.982 to $23,892.

Still shockingly low, but better than the Merc.
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Old 02-25-2014, 06:27 PM
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Well...I bought my 2011 328xi new in August of 2012 for $35,000. It reads 6,500 on the clock and I'm lucky to get $28,000 now....UGH! Hopefully it lasts many years without too much $$$ for repairs...Yeh, right! Love driving it though.
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Old 02-25-2014, 06:48 PM
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Buying almost any new car will kill you when you sell it in a couple years.
Regarding MB and BMW. I have many friends driving the Benz and they like them but bitch about the high cost of parts and service.
German cars in general and the more expensive marquis for certain require more maintenance and parts than your typical high end Asian brand. That isn't going to change. If you like the way a BMW drives the cost is what you pay in upkeep...
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:00 PM
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What about MB? Are they just as bad, better, or worse than BMW for repair expense?

Merc's famous for going in for an oil change; coming out with an invoice for $1k.

Draw your own conclusions....
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Merc's famous for going in for an oil change; coming out with an invoice for $1k.

Draw your own conclusions....
Per Edmunds.com,
  1. 2010 BMW 7series: 5yr maintenance=$10.6k, 5yr repair=$9.6k
  2. 2010 BMW 3series: 5yr maintenance=$8.1k, 5yr repair=$8.8k
  3. 2010 MB CLS: 5yr maintenance=$6.1k, 5yr repair=$9.5k
  4. 2010 MB E class: 5yr maintenance=$5.6k, 5yr repair=$9.3k

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Per Edmunds.com,
  1. 2010 BMW 7series: 5yr maintenance=$10.6k, 5yr repair=$9.6k
  2. 2010 BMW 3series: 5yr maintenance=$8.1k, 5yr repair=$8.8k
  3. 2010 MB CLS: 5yr maintenance=$6.1k, 5yr repair=$9.5k
  4. 2010 MB E class: 5yr maintenance=$5.6k, 5yr repair=$9.3k
I don't understand this. The BMW models are covered for maint. and repairs for the first 4 years. So the 3 series went through $8.1k maint. and $8.8k in repairs in one year? Cant' be.

So assuming that is the total cost if the first 4 years wasn't covered? Something seems really strange here. Also, these numbers make no sense without knowing the mileage they drive per year.
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Old 02-26-2014, 05:50 AM
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I don't understand this. The BMW models are covered for maint. and repairs for the first 4 years. So the 3 series went through $8.1k maint. and $8.8k in repairs in one year? Cant' be.

So assuming that is the total cost if the first 4 years wasn't covered? Something seems really strange here. Also, these numbers make no sense without knowing the mileage they drive per year.
I also find it hard to believe that a 3 would cost 8k for repairs AND maintenance within 5 years.

The late model e90 seems pretty reliable. This must be based on the early model 335i and dealership fees.
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Well, let's look at a 2004 Mercedes SL 500 MSRP $88,800.

Current Blue Book« Sugg Ret Value $13,195 - $13,311.

Ouch.

My take is that rich folks don't like the problems of a used car and the "average Joe" is terrified of the costs of maintaining and repairing a Mercedes.

I must admit that I am now considering buying a used SL 500. Beautiful cars and I do almost all of my own repairs.

Maybe I'll be hanging out at Mercedesfest next year.
If you are buying any car as an investment you might as well flush your money down the tolet
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If you are buying any car as an investment you might as well flush your money down the tolet
True, unless that car is a 1965 Shelby Cobra you found in a barn.
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Old 02-26-2014, 06:34 AM
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So I'm a focus group of one, but here is a sample of costs of ownership including depreciation for a 3, 7, and 2 5's:

Maybe a big "duh" but cost per month and cost per mile are highest if you trade every 3 years and drops considerably if you keep your car for additional years!
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Old 02-26-2014, 07:12 AM
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Well those numbers are not too unbelievable. My 09 X5 once out of warranty was costing me a fortune before I got rid of it. In 40k miles and just under 24 months out of warranty, I had spent almost 6k in repairs and maintenance. From brakes and minor stuff I can do myself and cooling system rebuild from water pump and later a radiator that rotted out at the seams, fuel pump, etc. It never ended. I traded it right when the evaporator core for the AC started leaking and that would have been another $2k to spend on that and it was also needing shocks and for that, there was no aftermarket replacement available and parts cost for those was stupid almost $200 per corner before I even install them. It was time to say goodbye to it.
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Old 02-26-2014, 07:26 AM
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probably what it cost the dealer, not the owner.. inflated dealer price.. I do however agree its probably safe to budget 2-3k per year for maintenance and repairs. probably even more important if you don't do repairs yourself
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probably what it cost the dealer, not the owner.. inflated dealer price.. I do however agree its probably safe to budget 2-3k per year for maintenance and repairs. probably even more important if you don't do repairs yourself

I can say that I fit the high expense envelope! It's right on target with 5 years coming very soon for this BMW pilot.

Then again, my expense includes Meth'd JB4 and total/complete suspension replacement with high performance & M parts.

Wait....just a couple o'thou for tires, other 'n' mods. Whaaaa?
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MB, 10 years of ownership, averaged $1k per year of repairs

BMW1, 2 years, $1k per year average

BMW2, 1 year, $0 repairs

All in all, I'd still say the two brands are about the same for me.


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Depends partly on how you want to figure costs, and what combination of repairs and maintenance are done by you, an independent shop, and a dealer. (In order of increasing out-of-pocket cost)

Also depends on whether you figure cost-per year on an annual basis or the term of ownership. We buy used and keep most cars 6+ years. Many of our cars are purchased with 80K miles on them.

When I see numbers like this I wonder what universe they're from: 2010 BMW 3series: 5yr maintenance=$8.1k, 5yr repair=$8.8k

TOTAL OVER 5 YEARS $16.9K for repairs and maintenance?????????? That's absolutely ridiculous. I've never had any car (including BMW) exceed much over $1K per year over 5 years of ownership. If it's really costing people that much, then perhaps we need to drive something else.
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Depends partly on how you want to figure costs, and what combination of repairs and maintenance are done by you, an independent shop, and a dealer. (In order of increasing out-of-pocket cost)

Also depends on whether you figure cost-per year on an annual basis or the term of ownership. We buy used and keep most cars 6+ years. Many of our cars are purchased with 80K miles on them.

When I see numbers like this I wonder what universe they're from: 2010 BMW 3series: 5yr maintenance=$8.1k, 5yr repair=$8.8k

TOTAL OVER 5 YEARS $16.9K for repairs and maintenance?????????? That's absolutely ridiculous. I've never had any car (including BMW) exceed much over $1K per year over 5 years of ownership. If it's really costing people that much, then perhaps we need to drive something else.
Yes, but is that for maintenance or for repairs that you spent 1k per year on?

I agree that it is ridiculous, No modern car should be costing that much.
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Now let's look at a 2006 M5 with a similar MSRP of $84,000

Kelly Blue Book Value $19.982 to $23,892.

Still shockingly low, but better than the Merc.
You are comparing one premium performance car. The other one is a fat-engine coupe/convertible.

You would have to compare M to AMG or 6/8-series to SL and the better Mercedes coupes.

You are not wrong, through. In the BMW field the 6/8 series are said to drop value like a stone but it doesn't hold up to actually looking at the numbers. The BMW coupes hold a bit better than the 4-door cars. No idea how it is for Mercedes.

Also keep in mind that the SL in particular has seen upgraded and more expensive (after inflation) models with each generation so you will have to look up the new prices from back then, not the price for a new SL today.

I could never do this, the way that "manual" gear selection works in a Mercedes automatic drives me nuatz.
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Well, let's look at a 2004 Mercedes SL 500 MSRP $88,800.
Current Blue Book« Sugg Ret Value $13,195 - $13,311.
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Now let's look at a 2006 M5 with a similar MSRP of $84,000
Kelly Blue Book Value $19.982 to $23,892.
Good observations: MSRP is the key fact that gives unsophisticated used-car buyers "sticker shock" on repair costs. When a car that cost nearly a hundred grand new depreciates to the price range of a brand-new mid-range commuter box, it starts to look very appealing in comparison. When something breaks, though, guess what--it's still a hundred-thousand-dollar car. Buyers who fail to think beyond the "hey, I can afford that!" sticker price can be in for nasty surprises.

Some years back, I passed on the opportunity to score a beautiful 840Ci for about $15,000. I happened to mention it to the GM the next time I was at the dealership, and he warned me that an "Inspection I" service (the less-comprehensive one) on that model ran about $1,200 (about 4x that of a 3er, at the time). Now, while I could have handled that relatively simple service myself, it gave me a clear idea of what typical service & repair costs would be like....
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Good observations: MSRP is the key fact that gives unsophisticated used-car buyers "sticker shock" on repair costs. When a car that cost nearly a hundred grand new depreciates to the price range of a brand-new mid-range commuter box, it starts to look very appealing in comparison. When something breaks, though, guess what--it's still a hundred-thousand-dollar car. Buyers who fail to think beyond the "hey, I can afford that!" sticker price can be in for nasty surprises.

Some years back, I passed on the opportunity to score a beautiful 840Ci for about $15,000. I happened to mention it to the GM the next time I was at the dealership, and he warned me that an "Inspection I" service (the less-comprehensive one) on that model ran about $1,200 (about 4x that of a 3er, at the time). Now, while I could have handled that relatively simple service myself, it gave me a clear idea of what typical service & repair costs would be like....
Loved that car!! I was in my teens reading car article after car article about that car. Loved the look!!
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Good observations: MSRP is the key fact that gives unsophisticated used-car buyers "sticker shock" on repair costs. When a car that cost nearly a hundred grand new depreciates to the price range of a brand-new mid-range commuter box, it starts to look very appealing in comparison. When something breaks, though, guess what--it's still a hundred-thousand-dollar car. Buyers who fail to think beyond the "hey, I can afford that!" sticker price can be in for nasty surprises.
The problem is that the price KBB shows for these vehicles is not necessarily indicative of the quality or value, though it plays a role. It also is a representation of the demand in the market. Those that can afford these cars new will buy them new. Perhaps a more appropriate price after 3-5 years would be higher but if few in the population are willing to buy a 5-year old 7er for $45,000 then the price will drop. Of course this affects every vehicle but much more so the very expensive, yet not very rare cars, because the demand for cars over $50,000 that are several years old is pretty low.
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Yes, but is that for maintenance or for repairs that you spent 1k per year on?

I agree that it is ridiculous, No modern car should be costing that much.
Both of them combined. It helps to do ones' own routine maintenance.

If a car cost me $4K a year for repairs and maintenance combined, I'd sell the car and ride a bike, renting a car on the occasion I needed one. I can rent a LOT for $4K.
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Are these cars really that bad to keep up and running? I just bought my 08 328i with 68k on it and now you guys are starting to scare me. I figured just about any car this day and age would run to 100k before it had anything too major go wrong.
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