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Old 03-11-2014, 07:54 AM
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Ended up fighting with the auto hold again this morning at the parking garage. Needed to open the door to reach the machine to insert the ticket. So I clicked auto hold. What I didn't realize is that if you open the door it puts on the parking brake. When I stepped on the gas the car woukdnt move. So the gate is open, my wife is screaming at me to go and i couldn't figure out why the car isn't moving. Kept fooling around with the gearshift, then pushing and pulling the parking brake. And yet the parking brake released automatically when i pressed the gas after turning the car on. Guy behind me starts honking.
So yeah- dont think ill be using auto hold again.

Jury is still out for me on auto stop/start. It's not a dramatic but you can feel a slight shudder when the car shuts off and comes back on. And if you forget that it's on it gets in the way when trying to park. Think ill leave it off.


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Never was keen on auto hold especially in creeping traffic where it's more of a nuisance. Plus I don't want to get used to it just incase I'm in the Mini Cooper (our other car) and forget that it doesn't have it 2 seconds after I slam into the car in front.
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Man, the front of the LCI really improved the F10 that little extra bit to just perfect it all around.

I swear, this car is so good that it does the reverse of what every other car I've had does, which is instead of me getting so used to the that I take them for granted and feel like the drive diminishes over time, every time I get into it I think "did it used to feel this good?", like as if it impresses me more than the last time I drove it. That's typically impossible.

What I think it is, amongst many other things, is how damn smooth the car is overall, I haven't driven a smoother car, I'm hearing horrid reports of the new S Class with RFT's feeling like it's riding on iron rails on bumpy roads yet still floaty through turns (a typical issue with M-B's flawed suspension engineering on "Sport Package" models). The F10 shows how it's done right, like a cloud yet tight to where you don't feel unwanted "float" on straight roads, never fails to impress how smooth it rides, yet it tightens up through turns.

I got my oil change at just over 14K miles and the car seems to drive even smoother now, drivetrain wise. All this said, I may or may not have been at the dealer while that was happening, scoping out 6 Series'.
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Old 03-11-2014, 03:29 PM
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Not sure why you would use auto hold in a parking garage, in that situation, I would have just put the car in park, must be the old habit from driving a manual transmission. I usually engage the auto hold if I have to sit at traffic and then I shut it off right afterward so it doesnt engage the parking brakes the next time I start the car.
Not sure why I did it. I think I was thinking something like it would "hold the brake for me". Actually wouldve been fine in retrospect if I hadn't unbuckled my belt and opened the door. That set the parking brake, which won't automatically release until you buckle up. So I owe auto hold an apology.


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Old 03-11-2014, 06:19 PM
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Nice write up on your 528. Wondering is yours a LCI model? Cause I believed the LCI should have eliminated the shudder on the auto start/stop.
Yes it is. The shudder is very subtle and I probably noticed it because I was paying attention to how it felt.


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Yes it is. The shudder is very subtle and I probably noticed it because I was paying attention to how it felt.


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I noticed the weirdness of the auto stop first time i used it on my LCI 535xdrive. I heard the ignition start up like i had pressed the start button. That went away the second time i used it weeks later. It really isn't that noticeable the other time i used it, but i was listening. Dont like it though with my local work commute drive.
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Congratulations BMW325. You will love your 528i. Mine has been excellent (even for an inline 6 eh?).
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Old 03-13-2014, 07:36 AM
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Earlier "The X Men" mentioned the multiple-contour seats are a must for the F10. I must respectfully disagree, because an average height man cannot sit behind these seats if another average height man is sitting in front at a normal seating position. At least this I what I observed when I bought my 2013. I am quite happy with the base seats.


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Earlier "The X Men" mentioned the multiple-contour seats are a must for the F10. I must respectfully disagree, because an average height man cannot sit behind these seats if another average height man is sitting in front at a normal seating position. At least this I what I observed when I bought my 2013. I am quite happy with the base seats.


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you're right, the multi contour seats do reduce the rear seat leg room. however, the seats are much better. i rarely have people behind me, but there is always somebody in the drivers seat if i will be carrying adults in the rear on a regular basis i would get a 7 series.
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Man, the front of the LCI really improved the F10 that little extra bit to just perfect it all around.

I swear, this car is so good that it does the reverse of what every other car I've had does, which is instead of me getting so used to the that I take them for granted and feel like the drive diminishes over time, every time I get into it I think "did it used to feel this good?", like as if it impresses me more than the last time I drove it. That's typically impossible.

What I think it is, amongst many other things, is how damn smooth the car is overall, I haven't driven a smoother car, I'm hearing horrid reports of the new S Class with RFT's feeling like it's riding on iron rails on bumpy roads yet still floaty through turns (a typical issue with M-B's flawed suspension engineering on "Sport Package" models). The F10 shows how it's done right, like a cloud yet tight to where you don't feel unwanted "float" on straight roads, never fails to impress how smooth it rides, yet it tightens up through turns.

I got my oil change at just over 14K miles and the car seems to drive even smoother now, drivetrain wise. All this said, I may or may not have been at the dealer while that was happening, scoping out 6 Series'.
Was just looking at some car pics from my trip and admiring what a good design it is. Lots of subtle features (like the rear fender flares) that you only notice in certain lighting. Think this is one of my favorite bmw sedan designs ever- right behind the e38 sport. Also love the interior design - it's the best of old school bmw interiors but with modern touches. I like the way the light plays off the various elements in this pic:
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Was just looking at some car pics from my trip and admiring what a good design it is. Lots of subtle features (like the rear fender flares) that you only notice in certain lighting. Think this is one of my favorite bmw sedan designs ever- right behind the e38 sport. Also love the interior design - it's the best of old school bmw interiors but with modern touches. I like the way the light plays off the various elements in this pic:
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I agree. The F10 is kind of a last hurrah in understated and intelligent design execution in this day and age, it seems. Everything gets more and more flamboyant, while the F10's dynamism is in the fine details. You don't notice until you get up close to it that there isn't a flat panel on it, the whole car is curved, lots of subtle complexities. That's why it always looks so good and balanced, nothing shouts out at you which eventually tires you rendering it then awkward.

I think the F10 is one of the best sedan designs ever. In fact, I think it and the W211 (2003-2009) E Class are both spiritually likened in the sense that they're the most timeless and understated modern Sedans in such a precise way that they command a dynamic and and riveting effect on the senses when they want to, as well. The F10 still has a commanding presence on the road, more so than most Sedans I'd say, especially in M5 form, but does so in a very understated and sophisticated way that's missing from many other cars.

The F10 is an aggressive, sporty, dynamic, simple and stately design all at once, without trying hard to be any of that. The designers created a masterpiece in that effect. Compare it with the hideous E Class facelift that tries intensely hard to be all those things at the same time as well, but just looks awkward and quickly dated due to it. BMW designers captured something very difficult with the F10 design in a modern time, and I think it's commendable. The next 5 will have quirks like the "connected grille" and probably more slanted lines, etc., (I love how straight the F10's character line is, perfectly aligned with the architecture and window sill, giving the car a very "straightly slung back" look, like a slingshot of sorts) which are fine, but the F10 will probably be the most timeless 5er since the E34 and E39's I'd assume, for the foreseeable future.

BTW what wheels are those on yours? With that shadowing they look awesome, darker around the edges than the M Sport wheels which looks really sporty in that lighting.
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And that 6 GC is stunning as well.

The 6GC VS F10 is always an interesting thing to me. See them together, and the GC obviously looks like an F10 but hunkered down and stretched out a bit, more dynamic, exotic, sexy, etc. But going along with my point above about the F10's understatedness and balance working for it, I've never seen an F10 on the road I didn't like, found "odd" or "ugly" or "awkward". The 6GC could drop my jaw in ways an F10 doesn't try to, but at the same time, I've often seen a 6GC and thought it looked "odd", or even "ugly" when not equipped with M Sport Package and at certain angles.

If I had to pick one to say I like more as a design, it'd be tough. One shines brighter than the other when it's truly shining, but fumbles where the other never does, when viewed at a less flattering angle or element. I think I'll have to get a 6GC next to have a better firsthand impression. Though, realistically, I'd prefer the 6 Coupe, though the extra headroom on the GC makes it more feasible.
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I know what you mean about the 6. It's more stunning but some of the details can look a bit awkward or overdone. Still, it seemed like everyone in the welt wanted to pose next to it.

Hopefully Bmw will drop the connected headlight theme in time for the next 5. But you're probably right that it won't look as timeless.

The wheels on my car are 613Ms. They've grown on me and I really like them too. Was worried that they'd look too small on the f10 but they work. Also happy that I don't have to deal with 19" wheels in the northeast.


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The multicontour seats are my favorite feature though. I don't think I've ever sat in a more comfortable seat. On the way back to the hotel tonight my wife passed out within minutes.
So ... when are you picking your BMW? And how come they let you pick Lexus at the Welt?

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Haha- funny how much my priorities have changed to the point where a nice pair of seats wins me over. But damn those are some awesome seats! The car puts me in such a calm relaxed mood that even sitting in bad traffic didnt stress me out. In my 335 I'd be the typcal bmw driver weaving in and out. On the other hand it didn't break a sweat on some twisty mountain roads so that's nice too (atleast until my wife told me I was going too fast).

Still doesnt change my desire to own a manual cayman s at some point. And I was a bit smitten with the manual 3 series wagon at the welt...but enjoyed the 528 more than I expected.





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I know what you mean about the 6. It's more stunning but some of the details can look a bit awkward or overdone. Still, it seemed like everyone in the welt wanted to pose next to it.

Hopefully Bmw will drop the connected headlight theme in time for the next 5. But you're probably right that it won't look as timeless.

The wheels on my car are 613Ms. They've grown on me and I really like them too. Was worried that they'd look too small on the f10 but they work. Also happy that I don't have to deal with 19" wheels in the northeast.


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Yeah, the 6 definitely has the "exotic" appeal to match with that fundamentally timeless current BMW design language. I do think the 6 Coupe is the most beautiful modern design out there, probably. I think it'll be regarded as a design classic in the future. When I did the Ultimate Drive Event, of course everyone was flocking around and wanted to drive the 6GC.

I do like and/or love the 6GC, it's just awkward at times. It's very dependent on the setting and package. Though I'm sure if I had one in the garage I'd be drooling all over it for as long as I choose to keep it.

As I see more F10 LCI's, although they're basically interchangeable with the pre-LCI's, those subtle changes really fulfill the F10's potential perfectly, it adds just a little bit of extra definition without sacrificing the original integrity. If only every manufacturer could put so much care and foresight, and ultimately timeless "perfection" into their designs so their facelifts wouldn't look so erratic about "about-facelfit" therefore dating the previous version too heavily (*cough* Mercedes).
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Yeah, the 6 definitely has the "exotic" appeal to match with that fundamentally timeless current BMW design language. I do think the 6 Coupe is the most beautiful modern design out there, probably. I think it'll be regarded as a design classic in the future. When I did the Ultimate Drive Event, of course everyone was flocking around and wanted to drive the 6GC.

I do like and/or love the 6GC, it's just awkward at times. It's very dependent on the setting and package. Though I'm sure if I had one in the garage I'd be drooling all over it for as long as I choose to keep it.

As I see more F10 LCI's, although they're basically interchangeable with the pre-LCI's, those subtle changes really fulfill the F10's potential perfectly, it adds just a little bit of extra definition without sacrificing the original integrity. If only every manufacturer could put so much care and foresight, and ultimately timeless "perfection" into their designs so their facelifts wouldn't look so erratic about "about-facelfit" therefore dating the previous version too heavily (*cough* Mercedes).
Yeah Mercedes really went off the rails with the E class. Its just so stunningly bad in both pre and post facelift form. There are signs of hope in the next gen S and C class though. I don't love the curved accent lines they carve into all their cars however. Prefer the more traditional German look offered by bmw.


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Earlier "The X Men" mentioned the multiple-contour seats are a must for the F10. I must respectfully disagree, because an average height man cannot sit behind these seats if another average height man is sitting in front at a normal seating position. At least this I what I observed when I bought my 2013. I am quite happy with the base seats.


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True the multicontours reduce rear leg and knee room. However, I'm 5'9 and can still sit behind myself comfortably. For 6 footers it might not be as good. I rarely carry 6 foot+ passengers in the rear so it's not really a concern I have.


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The F10 is kind of a last hurrah in understated and intelligent design execution in this day and age, it seems. Everything gets more and more flamboyant, while the F10's dynamism is in the fine details. You don't notice until you get up close to it that there isn't a flat panel on it, the whole car is curved, lots of subtle complexities.
I agree with you for the most part. The only element I find tiresome (for the reason of all its not-so-subtle complexities) is the view over the hood. The waves/dips/creases don't present themselves with any symmetry and there's no "centerline" aspect, so to a new F10 driver the whole can be somewhat distracting. Just my 2c.
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I agree with you for the most part. The only element I find tiresome (for the reason of all its not-so-subtle complexities) is the view over the hood. The waves/dips/creases don't present themselves with any symmetry and there's no "centerline" aspect, so to a new F10 driver the whole can be somewhat distracting. Just my 2c.
Interesting, and I can understand your feelings on that. However, I love the hood personally, I think it's not really getting in the way of the cars fluidity or timelessness at all. I love how when you look at it from the front view, taking the badge into the equation, it looks like ripples of water being created by a speeding "boat" (being the BMW badge), it's just a great representation of what the design team is capable of, IMO. It's a very non-gimmicky way to create a gimmicky effect (i.e the execution isn't gimmicky but the effect, when explained, can be heard as such). It's actually a very organic effect.

I actually prefer the F10's more aggressive "ripples" over the more understated hoods of some of the cars released after it, a'la 6 Series, etc.

In my own opinion, the only area of the F10 that can actually "date" at all is perhaps the ultra-blunt front. It's the only aspect of the car that has "2011-2015(so far) written on it. IMO the headlights are some of the nicest, most non-gimmicky, timeless and organic to come out on a modern car, but otherwise I wouldn't have minded maybe a little more "finish" to the front. And I'm NOT talking about the new "connected grille", lol.

I think the F10 has one of the nicest fronts on the road, especially the LCI with LED's and any of the "Lines", so I'm not saying that I in any way don't like the front.... I just think that it might be the "poorest aging" (which heard in itself is a vast overstatement) angle of the car, which doesn't mean much considering I'm talking about what I think might be one of the most timeless modern cars to have come out.

To be specific, it's not only the bluntness, but how the hood-to-bumper has that harsh "softnose" shutline, which is plaguing all cars these days (hence why I say it'll "date" i.e looking very much "today"). BMW seem to be moving back to the hood extending all the way to the grille itself, which is a more fundamentally timeless look. The softnose blunt-shutline has been implemented so crudely by modern cars because EU regulations hit manufacturers over the head with it so suddenly. With time, they'll refine that aspect, and I think it'll be the only "time specific" aspect to the F10 as it ages.

Another thing that's interesting is how the F10 is one of the last models to come out under Chris Bangle's watch. I know everyone thinks of the E60 generation when they hear "Bangle", but the guy was actually a design genius, and the E65 to F01 and E60 to F10 evolution proves that, IMO. He did fundamentally flawed due to being so ahead of their time designs in the former two models (I hate the E65 and E60 as much as or more than anyone, but for better or worse, they revolutionized the auto industry). However, it was his oversight on the F01 and F10 that showed me the guys true talents, and his grand vision. Do something whacky and flawed for the sake of hype, then hone it in immediately with perhaps the most elegant and timeless, flawless design language in modern times (F01, F10, F12).
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The F10 steering definitely takes getting used to (especially from ultra stiff E90) and yeah, it does wander a bit......it's not loose.......it's just that the car is not where you think it is sometimes and drivers will always be making adjustments. I don't know how else to describe it. Heard the newer 2014+ were better though so hopefully BMW gets the EPS where it needs to be eventually.
Thank you. This is a very accurate statement. I could drive my e90 and e60 with one hand all day, but I always need both hands for the f10.
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