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Old 03-14-2014, 05:46 AM
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You guys who enjoy gratuitous polluting might be upset to learn that bmw has become quite concerned with emissions. The rep at the welt who delivered my 528 even rolled her eyes at "americans who only want the biggest engine". Might be time to move on to a company more in line with your values or maybe buy a nice used Hummer


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I am not on the Prius forum because I dont drive a Prius. Let me ask you a better question, why are you in here? Hoping to upgarde your 3 series soon?

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Old 03-14-2014, 05:59 AM
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You guys who enjoy gratuitous polluting might be upset to learn that bmw has become quite concerned with emissions. The rep at the welt who delivered my 528 even rolled her eyes at "americans who only want the biggest engine". Might be time to move on to a company more in line with your values or maybe buy a nice used Hummer


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Thats the American way, super size everything, waste and pollute. American produce more pollution per capita than any other major countries in the world. We should not be pointing our fingers at somebody else when we are the major offenders.
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Old 03-14-2014, 06:05 AM
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I am not on the Prius forum because I dont drive a Prius. Let me ask you a better question, why are you in here? Hoping to upgarde your 3 series soon?
I look for interesting topics using the app on my mobile device. I don't consider going to a new 5er an upgrade from a 3 series. Ill leave it at that.


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Old 03-14-2014, 06:10 AM
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I look for interesting topics using the app on my mobile device. I don't consider going to a new 5er an upgrade from a 3 series. Ill leave it at that.


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Old 03-14-2014, 06:14 AM
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Is that what she told you? Just kidding.

Isnt that what we are debating about? The bigger is better mentality, supersize everything, waste and pollute. You are kind of contradicting yourself with the above statement.

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I didnt know koolaid drinkers were on this forum? China and India pollute more than all industrialized combined.
Even if the US went to bicycles only the world would still have pollution. Get over it and get a new app.
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And here are people masquerading as self-absorbed morons. Convincingly, too.
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and i assume you have your next planet selected.
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I didnt know koolaid drinkers were on this forum? China and India pollute more than all industrialized combined.
Even if the US went to bicycles only the world would still have pollution. Get over it and get a new app.
So? If everyone thinks like this we definitely need to find another planet soon.

BTW, pollution in china is partly due to our wasteful culture too. Think about it.

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Old 03-15-2014, 02:33 AM
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China and India pollute more than all industrialized combined.
Even if the US went to bicycles only the world would still have pollution. Get over it and get a new app.
Sure, China and India account for almost 20% of the world's population, each. Where the US is probably less then 5%.

I think the prior remark was that on average a single American pollutes more than the planets average per head.

One might also argue that cows produce more pollutant gasses than cars, but I don't think that's a valid excuse.

Although over here in Europe the environment is used as an excuse to raise taxes out of proportion, I personally stand behind the idea of polluting less if possible. The planet really is in distress.

If this means we all need to drive Teslas or 500 hp turbo charged 3 cylinders, that's fine by me...
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Old 03-15-2014, 06:29 AM
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When it comes to environmentally friendly cars let's not confuse the science with the marketing hype. As it turns out, the Prius is not necessarily an environmentally friendly car. In fact, it likely has a greater carbon footprint than most SUVs through the manufacturing process.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/sci...d-benefits.htm

As for ASS, I've yet to see any numbers to confirm the environmental benefit of the system. I've always viewed ASS a system to help comply with CAFE regulations. CAFE regulations are very narrow and focused on reducing petrol consumption not the overall environmental impact of car.

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Old 03-15-2014, 06:32 AM
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Also, here in the US, much of our electricity is produced by burning coal, and our electrical grid is very inefficient. Increasing electricity consumption in the US is not helping the environment.
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As for ASS, I've yet to see any numbers to confirm the environmental benefit of the system.
You really don't need to see the numbers, just imagine half of the cars in the US, which is about 15 million cars, eliminating tail pipe emission while they are at a stop light, that will add up to a lot less CO2 emission. I try to use ASS as much as I can and I never warm up my car or leave it idling, although I do admit that ASS do not work well in some situations.
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You really don't need to see the numbers, just imagine half of the cars in the US, which is about 15 million cars, eliminating tail pipe emission while they are at a stop light, that will add up to a lot less CO2 emission. I try to use ASS as much as I can and I never warm up my car or leave it idling, although I do admit that ASS do not work well in some situations.
Well I like numbers, and IMHO data points are very important when looking at these things. For example, is tech like this necessary if there is a more straight forward approach, such as turning the tide on the massive weight gains seen on cars over the past 20 years? No amount of ASS really makes up for driving a 5000lbs. car.

The most environmentally friendly thing to do would to buy a used car, something like a an older Honda Civic/CRX, keep it well maintained and repaired, then limit the new car market to a small number of cars that are specifically designed for simplicity and longevity. If the 15 million cars you quote, stayed in circulation for an additional 2 to 5 years, I'm willing to bet that the reduction of total CO2 through the curbing of manufacturing, shipping, etc... would be much more significant than ASS or Hybrids, or any other tech currently being bandied around.

Tech such as this is designed to make the consumer feel better whilst completely ignoring the real problem. It's a combination of marketing and regulatory policy that is economically driven, not ecologically driven.
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BTW, I'm really looking forward to picking up my 535i being delivered next week. And, I'll give ASS a fair try.
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Tech such as this is designed to make the consumer feel better whilst completely ignoring the real problem. It's a combination of marketing and regulatory policy that is economically driven, not ecologically driven.

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Well I like numbers, and IMHO data points are very important when looking at these things. For example, is tech like this necessary if there is a more straight forward approach, such as turning the tide on the massive weight gains seen on cars over the past 20 years? No amount of ASS really makes up for driving a 5000lbs. car.

The most environmentally friendly thing to do would to buy a used car, something like a an older Honda Civic/CRX, keep it well maintained and repaired, then limit the new car market to a small number of cars that are specifically designed for simplicity and longevity. If the 15 million cars you quote, stayed in circulation for an additional 2 to 5 years, I'm willing to bet that the reduction of total CO2 through the curbing of manufacturing, shipping, etc... would be much more significant than ASS or Hybrids, or any other tech currently being bandied around.

Tech such as this is designed to make the consumer feel better whilst completely ignoring the real problem. It's a combination of marketing and regulatory policy that is economically driven, not ecologically driven.
I am a numbers guy as well, but one don't really need hard data to know that an elephant is heavier than a mouse. Shutting off 15 million internal combustion engine will reduce emission no matter how you spin it.
As far as cars getting heavier in the last 20 years. let take the most popular selling sedan in the US the Camry and compare it to the model year 1994. The current model year Camry weigh 3190 pounds and the 1994 weigh 3186, pretty similar I must say. Take into the consideration of all the safety features and on board computers, I would say that modern technologies have done a great job keeping the curb weight down.
As far as keeping an old car vs. buying new, old cars tend to pollute more than new car, even if its kept in good shape. Of course the difference in pollution is not as much as the population created by manufacturing the new car. The previous statement can pretty much be said about anything we manufacture, houses, computers, appliance, etc….. it is better for the environment if we keep the old instead of buying new. What would happen if the world reduce its manufacture by 50%, the world economy would collapse, the environment would be the least of worries at that point. Personally, I think that if the current regulatory policies can be environmentally sound and yet strengthen our economy, I do not see anything wrong with that.

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Shutting off 15 million internal combustion engine will reduce emission no matter how you spin it.
The only problem with that is that EVERYONE would have to buy a new car. Not realistic or practical. Even if every manufacturer immediately instituted the ASS feature in every new car, it would be 10 to 15 years before it would cycle through. And only the high end or high HP/low mpg cars are doing it now. So realistically, it will be 20 years before there are 15 million engines cycling on/off. Same can be said about the self-drive technology, or any other milestone the auto industry wants to put in place. And if consumers have the option of turning it off/disabling it, then what is the point? Unless it is mandated by the governments for safety issues (i.e. airbags), it is still many years from putting a dent in the emissions. The auto manufacturers reasons for doing it are economical - to avoid hefty fines due to not getting the fleet mpg up to govt. standards. But I guess they have to start somewhere. Just my 2 cents.
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