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Old 03-19-2014, 01:41 PM
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Z4M Roadster or Z4 sDrive35i??

Okay, I've posted this in 3 Forums....

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I own a Z4M Roadster, 38,500 miles that is currently having the passenger-side motor mounts repaired. Thanks to this forum, BMW is absorbing some of the cost, even though it is out of warranty.
I've never had any problem with the car. I did replace the motor for the convertible top last year though. It's a fun ride. I've owned it about 4 years.
I was thinking of trading for a Z4 sDrive35i with 23,500 miles though... mainly for the 6 year warranty that's being offered and because it has newer technology.
Can anyone out there help a girl out? Good trade or not?
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Old 03-19-2014, 03:17 PM
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It depends on where your priorities lie. The sDrive35i will be a step up in luxury, refinement & technology, but a step down in performance dynamics and rawness. With the e89 BMW made a departure from what was at heart a true sports car with tremendous performance potential to more of a lifestyle car. I'd never consider owning one myself.

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Old 03-19-2014, 04:48 PM
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Thanks for the reply! Out of almost 200 people that have looked at that post in 3 separate forums, you're evidently the only one with an opinion. Ha!
So, what you're saying is you wouldn't want the E89 based on principal and the legacy of BMW?
Comfort aside, will my Z4M have better resale down the road or will only "the enthusiast" be interested in it?
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:46 PM
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Thanks for the reply! Out of almost 200 people that have looked at that post in 3 separate forums, you're evidently the only one with an opinion. Ha!
So, what you're saying is you wouldn't want the E89 based on principal and the legacy of BMW?
Comfort aside, will my Z4M have better resale down the road or will only "the enthusiast" be interested in it?
I have owned 2 2006 different 3.0 si roadsters (obviously not the M roadster, but close) and our family currently has na e89 35i and an e89 30i. The thing that I really love about the e89 is the ability to be both a coupe and a convertible. Yes, the hard top does make it significantly heavier than the old ragtop, making it less nimble, but the twin turbo power offsets that. The old ragtop had a lot of blind spots when I had to have the roof up, but that's less of a problem with the e89.

The mounts were a problem for the older Z4's. Both of mine seemed to creak a lot when I put miles on them. Surprised yours did it with less than 40K on the odometer. I have not noticed any similar problems in my e89's, but they are not as old.

I use mine for a daily driver in considerable traffic, so I really had to have an auto tranny. The 7 speed DCT in the 35i is a thing of beauty. You can hardly tell it shifts as it handles the gears better than almost any human driver could.

(Didn't think you would get that answer in the e85 / e86 forum did you?)
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:49 PM
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Thanks for the reply! Out of almost 200 people that have looked at that post in 3 separate forums, you're evidently the only one with an opinion. Ha!
So, what you're saying is you wouldn't want the E89 based on principal and the legacy of BMW?
Comfort aside, will my Z4M have better resale down the road or will only "the enthusiast" be interested in it?
No, I wouldn't say it's principle or legacy. It's just that my priorities for this car are performance & driving involvement above all. A lot of people, probably the vast majority, would prefer to have more civility in a car. Only you can answer that question. Did you drive the e89?
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Old 03-19-2014, 06:12 PM
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No, I haven't driven it yet.
But, I never driven any of them before I bought them. I always knew I would love the ride.
I've had an '03 Z4 3.0 and a 3.0si that I bought brand new, sight unseen off the lot. I bought the M because I hated the paddles and steptronics on the other two.
I love this car! The only reason I'm even considering the trade in is because of the warranty and the newer technology.
The hard top... mehhh... it has a lovely silhouette but... not the main reason I'm considering.
I just don't want to trade down in value.
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Old 03-19-2014, 06:42 PM
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I don't know, to me it just doesn't make sense to trade simply for the warranty - they're two different cars, apples vs oranges. Eventually, the warranty will run out on the new trade and the miles will have piled up, and then what will you do, keep trading? If you did, it'd be a $ losing proposition.

Try the Si, if you like it, buy it - it'll go farther on a tank of gas, that's for sure.
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Old 03-19-2014, 08:15 PM
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That's the question.... will the Z4M hold it's value better than the si...
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Absolutely!! The Z4M is a low production car. And it has the last of the normally aspirated M engines. The S54.
I believe the production numbers for the Z4M imported to the US is under 2000.


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Old 03-19-2014, 08:59 PM
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Thank you, Pierce!
S'wat I needed to know.
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Old 03-20-2014, 05:18 AM
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Thanks for the reply! Out of almost 200 people that have looked at that post in 3 separate forums, you're evidently the only one with an opinion. Ha!
So, what you're saying is you wouldn't want the E89 based on principal and the legacy of BMW?
Comfort aside, will my Z4M have better resale down the road or will only "the enthusiast" be interested in it?
It will be the "enthusiast" that will keep the resale value up.


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Old 03-20-2014, 05:33 AM
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Thanks for the reply! Out of almost 200 people that have looked at that post in 3 separate forums, you're evidently the only one with an opinion. Ha!
So, what you're saying is you wouldn't want the E89 based on principal and the legacy of BMW?
Comfort aside, will my Z4M have better resale down the road or will only "the enthusiast" be interested in it?
While the M roadster probably has better suspension I bet the performance of the N55 would not disappoint. My 335I never failed to put a smile on my face.
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Old 03-20-2014, 06:15 AM
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Do you want to go racing or boating? I'd never pay to go boating...

If all you do is cruise around, go for the E89. You won't notice the performance loss. I personally found the E89 to be gorgeous but disconnected from the driver.

Cars are never good investments, and you would be trading one depreciating asset for another. The hit you would take in taxes, fees, and dealer profit would offset any difference in value after a few years.


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Old 03-20-2014, 07:52 AM
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Don't buy a car for market value considerations. Pick the one you want to own and drive. I would think you would want to drive both before making a decision.

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That's the question.... will the Z4M hold it's value better than the si...
No Z4 is exactly "high production", an Si with a manual transmission and extended leather is just as rare as an M model - the "value" is in how badly someone wants it.

I agree with Z4luvr - you shouldn't be thinking this way with this car, you should be purchasing and driving the car you love (which it seems you already have) - the trade down philosophy is going to eventually lead you into cheaper and cheaper cars - a base Kia with a warranty will be nowhere near as fun as a low mileage MZ4 - which is what you have.

However, if ponying up for a window regulator scares you, German cars are probably not for you
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I also wanted an upgrade from my 2006 3.0si and the e89 just did not do it for me. I ended up with a 2013 Boxster S. The latest technology and a soft top. Just a suggestion for you to consider.
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:28 AM
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Hahahaha... it would break my spirit to drive a Kia. And, I have an affinity for German and Italian cars. I've owned a Porsche and an Alfa so "ponying up" I am accustomed to.
Ya'll don't go beating up on me... Thanks for the advice. I think I'll keep what I have.
At 56, I like the idea of driving a "Dude" car rather than a "Doctor's Wife" car.
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I fell in love with the Z4 when I first saw one in 2004 at a dealers show room. it was 5 years ago before we could afford a used one off 3 year lease. After only 18 months of owner ship, learning reading about the M roadster, I asked my dealer that if he could find one let me know. Three weeks later we traded, 04 3.0 for 08 M with the last months production date 8/18/08. There were right at 3000 of these cars made and 2000 of the coupes. So for long term, not something you see everyday kind of car the Z4 E85/86 will be one of those no matter what.

Of course like everyone else I saw the New Z4 and got to drive both the 35is and 30i at the dealership when they arrived. The 35is is a monster power car, loved it until I made that turn and found I was dragging something....Phat Ass. Love the car, and maybe when I turn 60 I might buy a used one as a second to the M roadster. But I would never trade my M in for any car, I will either wear it out enjoying it, or I will one day sell it to someone else equally as enthusiastic about the car as I was.

Now getting back to what you said, if you are not either financially or mechanically prepared to deal with the issues of the car E85/86, then go for the E89, one is a street race car, the other is a Luxury sports car. Both have their purpose and both are very nice cars.

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You need to do some Mod's to get you going, stubby antenna, rubber floor mats....then the fever strikes.
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Old 03-20-2014, 12:38 PM
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Never really thought about an antenna.
Right now I need to get the bulldog fur and slobber outta the passenger side.
I do have a pretty cool tag.... VVVVVVV.
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The stubby is more for aesthetics, it does not get great reception in the woods, but does ok in the larger cities if you listen to the radio. I hooked in my IPhone and listen to Pandora 1 or my cd's I recorded and loaded into the phone.

I always put a towel down for my dog when he gets to ride, he does not shed very much anyway.

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Okay, I've posted this in 3 Forums....

Hi. New here.
I own a Z4M Roadster, 38,500 miles that is currently having the passenger-side motor mounts repaired. Thanks to this forum, BMW is absorbing some of the cost, even though it is out of warranty.
I've never had any problem with the car. I did replace the motor for the convertible top last year though. It's a fun ride. I've owned it about 4 years.
I was thinking of trading for a Z4 sDrive35i with 23,500 miles though... mainly for the 6 year warranty that's being offered and because it has newer technology.
Can anyone out there help a girl out? Good trade or not?
I say keep the Z4M as it may the last one BMW ever makes.

What were the symptoms of the motor mount issue? Mine is having intermittent excess vibration at start up after long periods of downtime. It goes away after I drive for a while.
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Yep. That's exactly what mine was doing.
Just got it back and was happy to turn that loaner back in.
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