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Old 03-23-2014, 07:57 AM
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Are You Looking Forward to an F30

I know some swear the E9x is the last great 3 series .......

But wow ..... My wife "let" me drive her 2014 328i back from the beach yesterday ..... What a fun car to drive.

Lots of two lane hilly / curves in the FL panhandle ....... Turbo / 8 sp passed effortlessly with an engine / exhaust growl my E90 stifles.

Quiet smooth put it where you want it precision power and handling cruising 80 to 90 when we got to the freeway.

I even liked the lighter eps steering gliding around the beach town roads.

With E46, E90, and F10 simultaneously in the family I'd say they are all good!

Who else is looking forward to an F30?
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:06 AM
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I can see why someone might be happier with an F3x 328 over an E9x 328. As for me, the 335 motor and MT hasn't changed, so all it looks like from where I sit is numb steering, softer ride and larger mass. I'm not too excited. N4S
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:09 AM
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:09 AM
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I'm looking forward to an F30 about as much as I look forward to paying taxes!

My wife hates that car just as much and in particular, the overly-boosted, lifeless steering.

We are not fans of the smaller displacement 4-cylinder engine, either. The aesthetics leave a lot to be desired, in particular the front end.

HUD is about the best part of this car...
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:22 AM
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Some reviewers of the newest F say the E90 is a nicer car (ignoring the aural appeal)

the steering is more E46 like...lack of feel
there is criticism of more perceived 'cheap car plastic' in the newer bodies
the F30 is an example of 'yet larger', when large is not always 'better'

Driving one as a loaner for almost a week while my E46 was in the shop, I can't say I disliked the car, and I felt at the end, "I would not mind owning one of these". But that was before I drove an E90 for any length of time and I certainly enjoy the steering feel on the E90 far more than my E46.

One review summarizes, "the most significant change from the E90 to the F30 results from the switch to electric power-steering assist, which diminishes feel. Body roll in the two cars is identical, but the use of rear-suspension understeer instead of larger tires in back may be why the new 328i feels less agile turning into corners. All of it adds up to a softer, tamer 3-series that's more about luxury than fun."

I like fun over luxury, which is why I prefer BMW over Mercedes, and why I prefer the 3 series over the 5 series (I have owned both!)

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Old 03-23-2014, 09:54 AM
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I have a brand new f30 328d (no line) loaner in my driveway and I do have one question: Did they change something in 2014 in terms of driving characteristics?

This car is much better than the 2012 or 13 loaners I have had in the past! much less body roll, actually quite nimble, sure it is bigger than my e90 and not quite as precise, but again much better than I remember of the other loaners I have had. The steering also feels better, they must have changed stuff (I just don't know what). It is still a bit numb, but no where near as bad as I remember in the other f30s I've driven. Plus it has the wood trim, which I like a lot. I absolutely couldn't stand the fake'ish looking crappy aluminum which totally cheapens the interior and makes them a non-starter for me.

People here also bash the 328d on the power. For me, it is not underpowered at all, and it surely feels more powerful than its numbers represent. Regardless, the drive is much better than I remembered even comparing the d to an "i" which is more powerful.

Before what I am experiencing now, the f30 was a no-go for me. Now, I am not so sure. Again, does anyone have any specifics on what was changed? I couldn't find anything of note.
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I know some swear the E9x is the last great 3 series .......

But wow ..... My wife "let" me drive her 2014 328i back from the beach yesterday ..... What a fun car to drive.

Lots of two lane hilly / curves in the FL panhandle ....... Turbo / 8 sp passed effortlessly with an engine / exhaust growl my E90 stifles.

Quiet smooth put it where you want it precision power and handling cruising 80 to 90 when we got to the freeway.

I even liked the lighter eps steering gliding around the beach town roads.

With E46, E90, and F10 simultaneously in the family I'd say they are all good!

Who else is looking forward to an F30?

Not me. Frankly, if it hadn't been a hardtop convert, I wouldn't have bought a 3 - and when it was mine I found it didn't really handle well. Test drives....not poss to know, really.

Much moddin' later, still no 911, but grossly better than F30. M3/4 might persuade, but I basically have same now. Not motivated to replace though I'd enjoy a step up from the Step.

Yup, I'll keep what I put so much o'myself into, but want cream puff for my alternate, with much more room than BMW allows. Dunno! Merc GL?
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I didn't mind the F30 except, yes, the steering is a little soft.

My issue is one that isn't car or brand specific: I am not convinced of the long-term reliability of turbocharged gas engines. That alone could push me into a different market of cars.


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I didn't mind the F30 except, yes, the steering is a little soft.

My issue is one that isn't car or brand specific: I am not convinced of the long-term reliability of turbocharged gas engines. That alone could push me into a different market of cars.


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No more shift-for-yourself wagons to the US from BMW, so by default the E91 has become a "keeper".

My winter-beater-Volvo has 203K on its turbocharged engine (and transmission, and clutch), so I'm not too worried about the longevity of turbocharged engines.

DI engines may work out differently. Instructions in manuals for English sports cars from the 1950s and 1960s about de-coking the cylinder head used to get some laughs. Amazing that BMW has picked up where Triumph and Jaguar left off.

But no, I can't buy an F31.
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I'll wait for the LCI then decide but as of now....I'm out, Not liking @ all.
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I had one as a loaner, and couldn't get used to the stop/start function. Also, I'm a die hard fan of possibly the greatest six cylinder (non-turbo) engine ever produced, as well as American V-8's.
The turbo 4 just wouldn't do it for me.
My next purchase could very well be a new 'Vette.
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I had one as a loaner, and couldn't get used to the stop/start function. Also, I'm a die hard fan of possibly the greatest six cylinder (non-turbo) engine ever produced, as well as American V-8's.
The turbo 4 just wouldn't do it for me.
My next purchase could very well be a new 'Vette.

Three solutions:
  • You can press the button on the dash each time you start the engine
  • You can put the transmission into Sport mode
  • You can set up the car to always remember the last setting (start-stop On/Off) when you turned off the car
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F30 look is OK, I can't stand the look of 4 series...simply too ugly
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I know some swear the E9x is the last great 3 series .......

But wow ..... My wife "let" me drive her 2014 328i back from the beach yesterday ..... What a fun car to drive.

Lots of two lane hilly / curves in the FL panhandle ....... Turbo / 8 sp passed effortlessly with an engine / exhaust growl my E90 stifles.

Quiet smooth put it where you want it precision power and handling cruising 80 to 90 when we got to the freeway.

I even liked the lighter eps steering gliding around the beach town roads.

With E46, E90, and F10 simultaneously in the family I'd say they are all good!

Who else is looking forward to an F30?
No. Didn't like it when I test drove it in '13, part of the reason I got my 535i instead.

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Three solutions:
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  • You can put the transmission into Sport mode
  • You can set up the car to always remember the last setting (start-stop On/Off) when you turned off the car
Hmmm, I'll try that.
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No. Didn't like it when I test drove it in '13, part of the reason I got my 535i instead.
Good luck with your F10.

I picked up a 535i at the Welt and had a blast driving through Europe, Autobahn, and all that.

The car killed me with its throttle lag and faulty software transmission linkage which BMW refused to acknowledge and update so I had to dump it.

Didn't want another BMW after that sour experience, my second after the multiple HPFP failure idiocy with an E60 535i.

Swore off new turbo BMW's til my wife fell in love with the Mojave Metallic ..... well you know how that goes
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I'm looking forward to an F30 about as much as I look forward to paying taxes!

My wife hates that car just as much and in particular, the overly-boosted, lifeless steering.

We are not fans of the smaller displacement 4-cylinder engine, either. The aesthetics leave a lot to be desired, in particular the front end.

HUD is about the best part of this car...
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No F30 for me. I like my 335is too much to part with it, and because it still has low mileage, I'll have it for many more years.

My wife still loves her E60 535xi that also has low mileage.

IMO, BMW is just not producing cars that current E Series owners are turned on about. For me, there is just no desire for any new BMW at this time.
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No F30 for me. I like my 335is too much to part with it, and because it still has low mileage, I'll have it for many more years.

My wife still loves her E60 535xi that also has low mileage.

IMO, BMW is just not producing cars that current E Series owners are turned on about. For me, there is just no desire for any new BMW at this time.
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Do to my jobs mileage policy I can only keep a car 4 model years, so next year I will have to trade her in for an new F30. I have 66,000 miles and still love my E90, and I am hoping the LCI update will be available by the end of this year.
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Don't know what went wrong, but F3x is not intersting me at all. I might go back and give LCI a try, but just out of curiosity. My next car, in all sincerity, would not be even an E9x - but things have changed since I got mine. Mainly, I understood that power helps you where I drive slowly and low weight helps you where I risk arrest and jail. So, high-powered and heavy car makes no sense for me. That and The Boss now agreed that it is OK to have three cars in a household.

So ... my next car will have no more than 3,300 pounds. Right now I know of no BMW imported here that meets the requirement. Maybe, big maybe, 228i comes close. We'll see.

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I know some swear the E9x is the last great 3 series .......



But wow ..... My wife "let" me drive her 2014 328i back from the beach yesterday ..... What a fun car to drive.



Lots of two lane hilly / curves in the FL panhandle ....... Turbo / 8 sp passed effortlessly with an engine / exhaust growl my E90 stifles.



Quiet smooth put it where you want it precision power and handling cruising 80 to 90 when we got to the freeway.



I even liked the lighter eps steering gliding around the beach town roads.



With E46, E90, and F10 simultaneously in the family I'd say they are all good!



Who else is looking forward to an F30?

Sorry. I am not looking forward to it. I have driven a few F30's and I am in the camp that thinks the E90 chassis is the best 3 series so far.
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