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Old 03-29-2014, 06:25 PM
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I've had my 2010 328i coupe for about 18 months and love everything about it with the exception of it not having a manual transmission - I came from a 2010 GTI 6 MT and made the switch because my commute had changed and I was spending a fair amount of time in stop and go congestion. Anyway, I'm considering moving to a 6 MT Mazdaspeed3 or Focus ST to get back to a manual and turbo. Also, maybe I'm paying too much attention to the maintenance horror stories in this forum, although my car is a CPO and has another 50K miles of warranty and a maintenance plan for the same duration, and that's coloring my thinking, as well. The truth is the GTI put a daily smile on my face and the 328i doesn't. Am I overreacting?
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Old 03-29-2014, 07:07 PM
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Perhaps you are overreacting but only you can determine what you find enjoyable. My 335i is an AT and I don't miss having an MT at all (although I do get to drive a variety of MT cars). On the other hand I drove MTs in NYC rush hour traffic for years and did not have an issue with it.

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I've had my 2010 328i coupe for about 18 months and love everything about it with the exception of it not having a manual transmission - I came from a 2010 GTI 6 MT and made the switch because my commute had changed and I was spending a fair amount of time in stop and go congestion. Anyway, I'm considering moving to a 6 MT Mazdaspeed3 or Focus ST to get back to a manual and turbo. Also, maybe I'm paying too much attention to the maintenance horror stories in this forum, although my car is a CPO and has another 50K miles of warranty and a maintenance plan for the same duration, and that's coloring my thinking, as well. The truth is the GTI put a daily smile on my face and the 328i doesn't. Am I overreacting?

Under-reacting. Level 10, please.
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Old 03-29-2014, 09:29 PM
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Oh. Oops! Yes, manual's best for 328i.

But much more fun can be had than w/nose heavy GTI with these simple mods. Did I say "much more" fun? Make that exponentially more, and then some!
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Old 03-29-2014, 09:55 PM
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Get an e90 328i coupe. Fun car. I too had the 6 speed GTI and I miss it as well but it wasn't a Bimmer.
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Old 03-30-2014, 12:24 AM
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The truth is the GTI put a daily smile on my face and the 328i doesn't. Am I overreacting?
I suspect there might be more than just AT in the play here. See the car in my signature picture? Well, I refused to daily drive it from its first day in U.S. (for my own reasons). My wife lasted 3 years and then gave up driving that as a daily driver (for her own, different reasons). We did it for different reasons, but the fact is that we are both much happier to daily drive VW diesels than BMW in U.S.

So, I perfectly understand why 3,000 lb weight is a lot more smile-inducing than 3,600 lb - especially so when hp difference is negligible as in your case. Turbo just sweetens the cake because it is so much more usable in daily driving.

I cannot judge (and will not judge) other people's choices, but I've been saying this for a long time ... BMWs in general are just wrong cars to be driven and enjoyed in this country - and that's not, let me repeat that ... that is NOT BMW's fault.

EDIT: sorry, forgot ... I also happen to think that Golf GTI is borderline un-driveable and hard to enjoy in this country. It is too fast, too nimble and too damn fun to drive it in traffic with other "drivers". My coworker has one and we swap cars sometime just for fun (both BMW and TDI).
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Old 03-30-2014, 08:41 AM
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I know how you're feeling. I missing rowing my own gears too with my RSX. It feels like my right hand should be doing something more than just holding the steering wheel, putting it into P, R, or D. For me I'm going to give it a year and see if I still want a manual then.
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:19 AM
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I completely feel and understand your frustration. I dont think you're overreacting at all. If it bothers you that much, i would trade it in for a manual 328xi.

I went from driving an auto in America (after selling my 5MT E46) to a 1.6l 4cyl 5spd car in a foreign 3rd-worldesque country... the car has very little power, doesnt handle at all, doesnt have decent brakes, no creature comforts, but damn its a blast to drive!!! I've had this car for a year now and I've determined that it's only because it's manual. It makes it just that much more fun to drive.

I'm moving back to the States in less than 1 month, and I'm dreading getting back to an auto, even though it has heated seats, excellent handling, 3x more power, and etc etc.
I'm actually debating on settling for a 328xi 6MT (did it even come in manual? I hate it when some AWD BMWs arent offered in manual). It's so much harder to find an xDrive BMW with 6MT
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MT is much more enjoyable to drive than AT. It just is. N4S
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:59 AM
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My E90 is a 328i with a 6-speed manual. I have also driven similar loaner cars with the automatic transmission. For me, the MT defines the car, and makes it much more fun to drive than an equivalent AT car. YMMV.

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Old 03-30-2014, 11:36 AM
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My E90 is a 328i with a 6-speed manual. I have also driven similar loaner cars with the automatic transmission. For me, the MT defines the car, and makes it much more fun to drive than an equivalent AT car. YMMV.

My sentiments exactly!!! MT or the highway....hoping BMW hears that. We need more MT in the lineup of 3 series.
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I've had my 2010 328i coupe for about 18 months and love everything about it with the exception of it not having a manual transmission - I came from a 2010 GTI 6 MT and made the switch because my commute had changed and I was spending a fair amount of time in stop and go congestion. Anyway, I'm considering moving to a 6 MT Mazdaspeed3 or Focus ST to get back to a manual and turbo. Also, maybe I'm paying too much attention to the maintenance horror stories in this forum, although my car is a CPO and has another 50K miles of warranty and a maintenance plan for the same duration, and that's coloring my thinking, as well. The truth is the GTI put a daily smile on my face and the 328i doesn't. Am I overreacting?
Agree... Sold my e92 for a golf r and loves every bit of the R
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Am I overreacting?
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My E90 is a 328i with a 6-speed manual. I have also driven similar loaner cars with the automatic transmission. For me, the MT defines the car, and makes it much more fun to drive than an equivalent AT car.
I've driven too many AT/non-ZSP BMW loaners and they really don't do anything for me. I'd drive a Honda Civic with a manual transmission long before I'd buy a BMW with an automatic.

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Every time I drive the 328i with AT as a loaner I'm a bit sad. The transmission really is pitiful in D mode, though in DS mode it does shift for the most part right where I shift in regular traffic. The problem is that putting it permanently in DS mode prevents the car from going into 6th gear on the highway at an acceptable time. So in short, DS mode is fine around town but if you drive city plus highway, DS mode is also not the answer. Manually shifting is not particularly satisfying due to the high delay in up and downshift though I guess you might be able to time it with practice.

I hear the 335i's ZF is programmed a bit better than the 328i, or perhaps the 335i just has enough torque to help defeat the ATs programming towards fuel conservation, but I know I would not be satisfied with a 328i AT for very long; its temper is way too docile. Add to that the "dead space" in the pedal from a stand-still and I'm not interested in dropping money om the car. I'd venture to say a VW GTI is a much more engaging drive with 3 pedals!
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Am I overreacting?
No.

While an automatic transmission 328i is a fine automobile, with out the manual transmission (in my opinion) it lacks the essential ingredients that make it an engaging driver's car.

I was looking for a car for my wife and she (at that time) couldn't drive a manual transmission. So I test drove several AT E90's and liked them but didn't feel that they were particularly exciting to drive. Then I got in a 6spd manual and it changed the character of the car.

I bought a 6 speed manual car over my wife's objections. She was pissed off for two weeks and never did warm to swapping her own cogs, so I kept the Bimmer for myself and bought her an automatic transmission equipped Corolla.

I can tell you that there are few cars that can match the precision and feel of a BMW 3 series manual transmission shifter and clutch.
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Every time I drive the 328i with AT as a loaner I'm a bit sad. The transmission really is pitiful in D mode, though in DS mode it does shift for the most part right where I shift in regular traffic. The problem is that putting it permanently in DS mode prevents the car from going into 6th gear on the highway at an acceptable time. So in short, DS mode is fine around town but if you drive city plus highway, DS mode is also not the answer. Manually shifting is not particularly satisfying due to the high delay in up and downshift though I guess you might be able to time it with practice.

I hear the 335i's ZF is programmed a bit better than the 328i, or perhaps the 335i just has enough torque to help defeat the ATs programming towards fuel conservation, but I know I would not be satisfied with a 328i AT for very long; its temper is way too docile. Add to that the "dead space" in the pedal from a stand-still and I'm not interested in dropping money om the car. I'd venture to say a VW GTI is a much more engaging drive with 3 pedals!
I have the 8 speed and its the best transmission I've ever experienced in any car, ever. I prefer it to the DSG because it's smoother. I drove manuals since I was 15 and I'm 36 and out of the 12 or so cars I've owned, this is the 2nd auto. I love manual when the conditions are right but I just began to find it tedious in many real world driving situations. Maybe if I lived in a rural area or something, but I don't. The 6 speed in my GTI was alright but modern manual transmissions bum me out. It had pronounced rev hang which is totally annoying and pretty bad in 1st and 2nd gears, giving you a little lurch often no matter how long you have been driving standard. Torque arm insert helped the problem a little but thats also due to drive train slop/engine movement. Long clutch travel and really soft clutch.. I honestly preferred the feel of my 86 Accord 5 speed to the GTI. My wife's 5 speed in her Pontiac Vibe was a better gearbox as well. I would describe the GTI 6 speed as mushy and vague. But it was fun sometimes. On the other hand, I find the 8 speed to first off, be a massive a improvement over the 6 speed auto in the e90 so I can't blame OP for being kind of bummed on it. I still have a lot of fun with my car w/the 8 speed and I rarely miss manual. If I got a second car, a weekend car or whatever, it would be manual but for a daily driver in Los Angeles... I'm just over it. The 8 speed auto makes maximum use of the engine's powerband while the 6 speed auto definitely has a more traditional automatic feel with slower shifts, slower torque converter lockup etc. The 8 speed shifts in under 500 milliseconds I think. But yes, for driver engagement there is no comparison to manual but unfortunately, when I am stuck on Wilshire blvd. heading home at 7pm and its taking me 40 minutes to go 3 miles, 'driver engagement' = pure annoyance.

All that said, the E90 328i coupe with a 6 speed is one of my all time favorite cars.
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To be honest, Kafkaesque320, I am much more annoyed in heavy traffic with a auto where the car just free rolls at all times and you are constantly going between throttle and brake and can't gracefully lift for minor slow-downs. I drive Dallas traffic every day and have no real annoyance with the manual, but preferences are different.

I do agree with you that the 8-speed on the 328i F30s I've driven is a vast improvement over the 6-speed on the E90. The mode selection also works much better and yields better results than going between D and DS mode on the E90. That being said, I'd still buy an F30 with 3-pedals if I ordered one today.
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