BMW Forum - BimmerFest BMW Forums banner

My review of the GS 350 FSport vs. 535...long

30K views 109 replies 30 participants last post by  ae86pwr  
#1 · (Edited)
So, let me start by saying that this review is intended to be as objective as possible. Having owned an F10 for 30 months and now owning a 2014 GS 350 FSport, I'm not trying to justify the purchase of either vehicle. I'm not trying to defend either manufacturer, etc. If you think that the Lexus is an inferior product because "it's a Lexus" then I really don't want to hear it. The GS line is a strong point in the Lexus lineup and it, along with the IS, are solid competitors when viewed strictly from a product standpoint. You can argue dealerships, you can argue sales figures, and you can argue who is better as a "brand", which has the more complete lineup, etc. I'm also not going to get into cost, as that simply clouds people's mind with talk of payments, resale, etc. The Lexus is less expensive, perhaps enough to matter, but let's face it***8230;...this isn't a $27,000 Accord. These are sports sedans well into the $50's, and in some cases the $60's and $70's. At that price, no one is really "shopping a bargain". No, what this comparison is about is asking the question: as a sports sedan in the 535 / E 350 / A6 3.0T / CTS 3.6 category, does this car deserve to play? The answer is yes, without a doubt.

I won't get into all the specifics of how I ended up with the GS. Those of you who read my Cayenne post know I can spin a yarn. But I'll give you the Cliff Notes version. I had, up until about January, had my heart set on an F80 M3. I had spent a LOT of time pouring over it online, and going to see it at the Houston Auto show sealed the deal. Alas, life gets in the way and other projects / wants take fiscal priority. Which meant dropping $20k on a new car and still having $900 / month payments was out of the question for 12-24 months. With my trusty but tiring MDX burning a hole in my seat to make its way out of the garage, what to do? Drop $2k in repairs and ride it out? Buy a cheaper car and "settle"? Nah, soon the plan emerged..sell the MDX while it's still worth something and before I have to spend $2k plus on a timing belt and other repairs and Lease.
As I said in the other GS thread, there are very few "deal" leases. There are cheap cars that lease poorly, and there are ok cars that lease well. But there are few that lease very well. The GS is one of them. I have liked the GS F-Sport since it came out as a 2013 model, shortly after I got my 535. And as all the fiscal stars lined up for the deal to fall make sense, I knew that I could certainly do much worse. So I drove it again and really came to enjoy the hell out of it. I certainly don't love it like I would have loved an M3, M cars are just special. But do I like it as much as an F10? Read on.

As further background, my F10 was a poor model. It was plagued with just about every problem that the F10's had. Transmission / throttle jerk, pull to the right, idle issues, etc. etc. I have driven 2012, 2013 and 2014 MY F10s', both 535 and 550 for most. I have driven both in the LCI 2014 guise, both in MSport configurations with the 704 suspension. I have also driven both 2013 and 2014 M5's, including a comp. pack version of the latter. I recognize that the F10 has made significant improvements over the course of its life cycle and it is with those in mind that I frame my thoughts.

Where to start? Styling. I'll get that out of the way first. It's subjective, so I'll be brief, but I personally think that the F10 is one of the best looking sedans ever made, period. Especially in MSport and even more so in M5 guise. So no car is going to top it in my book. The Lexus is more polarizing, but I think that the GS F Sport is the best balance of the "spindle" grille. I think the IS takes it too far. I think overall the car is quite handsome, if not as striking as the F10, only really let down by a dowdy rear end that I think will fail to grow on me. Too generic, IMO.

Interior styling, the FSport makes some ground up on the F10 by offering a larger nav screen, albeit with permanent split screen. It also offers a more retro / luxury vibe, reminding me of expensive hi-fi equipment back in the day with the horizontally dominated layout and the silver knobs, set off by the tasteful analog clock. I still prefer the F10's styling, although the gauges, even with the extended black panel, are pretty bland. The Lexus gauges aren't much better, and if anything it displays LESS information ***8211; although you don't have to code the car to see the damn tire pressures. Quality of materials are about the same, the GS leather being better than Dakota but not as nice as the Nappa in the F10. Perhaps the GS Luxury package semi-aniline leather would have a better hand. Who knows. Overall, I say both are classy, and it comes down to preference.
Infotainment: iDrive is hands down better. It is the best infotainment interface on the market, IMO. Yes, there are plenty of nested menus, but your eyes-off-the-road time is minimized, and with the NBT upgrade, it's graphics are hugely improved. MMI is next on my list, and I have to say that the Lexus' mouse drive is growing on me. It's not nearly as bad as most reviews make it out to me, as it has one of the steepest learning curves of all of the systems which does not pander well to a short test drive by a buyer or a journalist. However, once you start to remember where on screen some of the choices are, you can start to reduce your eyes-off time in its operation. I'd say it ties with the outgoing version of COMAND, which is no great shakes. As I get used to it, it's more intuitive, and I can accomplish most things well. The 2014 IS has a version that's slightly improved with regard to voice command, something I was disappointed to learn was not on all 2014 models. And Lexus / Toyota's insistence on locking out many of the functions at speed is annoying, but so far has been easily overcome using voice command. I know that many of you have said Lexus Remote Touch sucks, but really it doesn't. It works, and it works acceptably for the class. Still, having one of the steepest learning curves paired with one of the oldest buyer demographics strikes me as something of a mistake.

Moving on, let's get down to the more important bits. The N55 is undoubtedly the stronger engine compared to the naturally aspirated engine in the Lexus. The Lexus is on par with the engine in the E Class. Almost the same power and torque. Again, acceptable but not class leading. The Lexus' engine is smooth and willing to rev. It pulls strongly once on cam, probably as hard as the N55, if not harder. You don't ever feel that the car is in any way underpowered, and it will handily outrun the 528. But the N55's low end torque really shows the Lexus the door in many situations, especially when just rolling around town. The N55 really is the best engine in the class, better even than the older blown 3 liter V6 in the Audi. It's certainly better than that dog in the V6 CTS. The Lexus makes a little less HP than the Caddy, and about the same torque. But the Caddy's engine, despite being newer, is very rough and unrefined. It shakes at idle, has a 6,000 RPM redline (or less!) and makes very nasty noises while underway.

The 2014 GS gains the Aisin 8 speed auto, and it's a much needed improvement. Overall it's a fair bit smoother than the ZF in the F10. Shifts are smoother and more intuitive. Perhaps because it lacks torque, it's more willing to downshift than any F10 I've driven, LCI's included. And while BMW has made huge strides in reducing the transmission / throttle tip in issue, if you still feel around, it's still there, ever so slightly. The Aisin transmission and the lack of forced induction on the Lexus mean that it's butter smooth away from a stoplight.

Overall shift quality is similar, both in auto mode as well as using the paddles. I think the ZF might rev-match a TAD better, but it's hard to recall. The BMW's paddles are better positioned, though. But the Lexus' sport mode is better judged, not being so frenetic like it is in the BMW, to the point where you could use it all day and not be tired of it. It does not lock out top gear on the highway, and does not bring every upshift up to 5,000 RPM like the 535 did in sport mode. Its calibration is similar to that in the A6 3.0T.

On the downside of the powertrain, the Lexus does not get as good of a fuel economy as the BMW. Right now it's pretty much running neck and neck for my daily commute, but on the highway, I've struggled to get close to 30, which I could in the F10. A few things hamper this. First, the gearing is higher, meaning the Lexus is turning probably 400 RPM higher than I remember the F10 at 80 MPH. Second, the Aisin transmission does not lock up nearly as often as the ZF does. This both hurts economy and makes the combo seem less sporty, as there is more motorboating when traveling around town. And third, the lack of low end torque means the transmission will shift to 7th for some acceleration tasks, whereas in the BMW it would stay in 8th. The Lexus is imperceptible in its shifts, both in sound and smoothness, but it's enough to knock down the MPG a rung vs. the BMW. Of course, the engine still has less than 750 miles on it so hopefully it picks up a point or two.

So let's talk about behind the wheel. First, my F Sport driver's seat has nearly as many movements as the multi-contour seats in the F10, lacking only the upper back adjustment. If you get a luxury package GS instead, the seats have identical movements to those of the BMW's. On both sides. And are just as comfortable. The car is a smidge narrower, but then again, the F10 is WIDE. The cabin is on par with the E and A6, and larger than the CTS. Leg room, both front and rear, is a mite better than the F10 as the seats aren't as thick as the multi-contour ones in the F10. Headroom is lacking, though, down an inch to an inch and a half on the BMW and Merc, and about on par with the A6 and CTS.

The wheel has a nice feel to it, although not as thick-rimmed as the MSport. It's about the same as the Sport package wheel in the F10. Remarkably, the steering is very similar in feel***8230;...meaning neither helm is particularly communicative. Sport plus in the Lexus gives heavier steering as in the BMW, but feels more natural than the BMW's overly stiff setting in that mode. Neither troubles the E60 or E90 for steering feel and weight (although if I'm being honest, I always found the E90's steering to be TOO heavy). The Lexus' variable gearing ratio means that the steering is faster, meaning less wheel twirling; nice in low speed maneuvers. On the highway, the F10's EPS still has a tendency to hunt a bit, meaning you're constantly correcting the wheel. My 2011 did this terribly, but even in the LCI's, and indeed even in the 650 Grand Coupe's I drove, the trait is still there. Not so in the Lexus. And the Lexus has the added benefit of being very quick to react at speed. There is no "sneeze" factor like there is in the F10. You think, it moves lanes. Yet it never seems "twitchy".

I've saved the Lexus' trump card for last, and that is its ride and handling. If you're missing your E60 5 series, go drive one of these cars and be prepared for a throwback. It was clearly Lexus' benchmark and, quite frankly, they nailed it. The similarities are eerie. The ride is firm yet not harsh. It's well controlled, even with the variable suspension (standard on FSport) in normal mode (it only has two modes, normal and Sport Plus). In short, it flows, where the F10 does not flow. The Lexus weighs almost 200 lbs. less (and for comparison purposes, I bet if you add the multicontour seats to the F10 it's all of 200 lbs heavier) and it feels it. Where the Lexus waltzes, the BMW trods a bit woodenly. It'll still do what you want it to do, but it seems to say "are you sure you want to do this big guy" whereas the Lexus shouts "more, damnit, more!".

For sure, there are more options on the F10's suspension. You want luxury? Go stock. You want sporty? Go fixed 704 in the MSport. You want both? Go with DHP. In the Lexus, you have the more luxurious standard car, and the sportier FSport with standard two mode suspension. I had the DHP in my car and felt it was too biased toward luxury. Sure it cuts roll in sport mode, but it feels stiff and artificial doing it. Contrast that to the GS and in either of the suspension's two modes, it just feels right. Consider it as E60 standard or E60 FSport, depending on setting. Note, you CAN get rear wheel steering in the Lexus, but I've not driven that. I've most recently driven an RLX with RWS and while it shrinks the turning radius considerably, the rear end feels spooky, like it's a half step behind you in maneuvers. Now, the 911 Turbo and GT3 have it and I'm sure it's better executed there, but I wasn't about to spend the $$ on it without some extensive test drives. And ratcheting up the MSRP was kind of against the goal I had in mind. Even though with most of the options, you're barely over $60k in the Lexus vs $10k more in a 535.

Nonetheless, the ride and handling of the car is superb for a sports sedan. And that is where it really trumps the BMW, IMO. I loved many, many things about the F10. Still do, as you can see above. I love the look of the car, inside and out. Loved many features. But it was just not fun to drive. The LCI car remedies much of that, but it still feels "big". My dad's old E39 begged you to drive the crap out of it every time you got in. The F10 doesn't do that for me, but the GS does.

All in all, every car in this segment has some sort of compromise. And each will have its lovers and haters. If you go and troll Audiworld, etc., they'll be swooning over their cabin layout, ignoring the cheap materials and the nose-heavy weight distribution. Most Lexus owners would think us fools for spending more on a BMW than on a Lexus that has as many features. Etc., etc. Without a doubt, the GS is outclassed by the F10 in many areas, but not all. And the one area where the GS shines used to be BMW's calling card, but now clearly is a secondary focus outside of the M cars. I probably could have gotten a BMW for what I'm paying for this car. But the deal I got was in the same ballpark as a 328i with all the goodies, or a more basic 335i Sport, or a very lightly optioned 528. Going from M3 dreams to a 328 just was too much for me, and while I like the 528, I do like my toys.

In a relatively crowded segment, the GS acquits itself well. And if you're judging your mid-grade executive sports sedan solely by how much "sport" it puts into the equation, than the Lexus might be your top pick. It flows with the road effortlessly and really wants to boogie down the road when you do. I will enjoy my 36 months with the GS. And by then the timing should be right to pick up an LCI M3 via European Delivery. :thumbup: :bigpimp:

Image


Image


Image
 
#2 ·
Nice review. My mother has a '13 GS F-Sport (after a long line of LS sedans) that I've driven quite a few times. Lexus did a good job with this car, no question.
 
#5 ·
As a previous Lexus owner. The front of every single Lexus produced today is just awful. They may be ok cars and lease well. But wouldn't be caught in one.


Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
 
#6 ·
Great review! This should be considered a "sticky" on any 535i vs GS topic. I don't get Lexus and their horrid headroom. 1.5" less headroom on a GS means that my head is against the ceiling. I drove a newer GS around for a day and don't remember paying much attention to that, though I was focusing on other things. I guess I'm just so used to putting the backrest far back and my hair grazing against the headliner of cars these days.

One thing I will note from my experiences, is that the tradeoff of the BMW's lack of nimble-ness compared to the GS is an ultimately "tank like" solidity that feels like a freight train coming down the road as it drives. I know to some BMW faithful, that's not a great characteristic to the roundel, but to me, it was the first thing I noticed when I drove it home.... even compared to the E Class that was still mine that was following behind me.... the F10 felt like you were in a bank vault, both in sound and isolation, as well as overall solidity and chassis integrity. I feel like the interior bits and their damping and sounds they make when you "click/pull/etc." them, door closing/opening, and overall ambiance also add to that sense of rigidity (tangible) essence to the F10. The GS felt more "frail" in those departments to me. Not that it FEELS "frail" in itself, but that it did relative to the F10.

One area where I couldn't agree more on is your description of its ride. Both supple and sporty but not in any way harsh. It was really a surprise, especially since at the time I had my E350 which was both horridly harsh and handled like an old Cadillac. The GS was the exact opposite.

As for the interior, that's an interesting way of putting it. As modern as the GS' interior is, I always noticed a "retro" styling language in there as well. Reminds me of a 1940's take on futuristic aviation or something. My issue with it is that it still comes off as inherently "Japanese" even though it does well to try and come off as Germanic as it could, and that kind of hampers it for me as I've never been into the Japanese interior feel or ambiance when compared with Germans.
 
#7 ·
I've only had my GS for 2 days and so far I notice much better throttle response(no f10 turbo lag) and much better handling. I forgot what it feel like to be confident in pushing your car. I got ultra white w/ Cabernet interior and this color combo is sick in person, there isn't a picture I have seen that does it justice. I really think the interior is a step above the F10 both in design and materials, granted I had standard Dakota seats but I enjoy the gauges and screen over the BMW. I enjoy the heated and cooled seat, I also really like the cabin feel at night time. The white ambient glow is really calming to me and feels just right. The cup holders are better and the center console is better I like the sliding tray perfect size for my phone. I really like that I can see my heated steering button and don't have to peak around the steering wheel wondering if it's on. I also think the standard stereo is much better than either standard or hK bmw, I haven't heard b&w or Martin Logan. I have had $10,000 hybrid audio speaker systems in my cars and the standard lexus gets me pretty close. A little more volume and more bass and it would be perfect. I really like the lexus remote touch and from everything I read and heard I expected to hate it. I can't really judge if idrive is better or not yet, but right now I would say they are on par with each other. I do like some of the navigation features and hope it is more accurate than the bmw which I found to be really poor.

I still think the f10 is the better looking car but the lexus isn't far behind, I think it's sharper than the eclass or A6 and easily the CTS. The lights on the Lexus right now are aimed way to low I need to figure out how I can adjust them because it is limiting my night time driving. I also don't like how the sunroof has a manual pull cover I feel this should be automated. I can't comment on gas mileage yet as I only just broke 100miles on the car but I was getting average 17 with my jb4 tuned f10 so I expect it to be on par or better than that. I will tell you that I feel more pull and this car feels faster than the 2011 f10 I had with the bms tune and that was surprising to me. It is a much more enjoyable driving experience in the lexus.

If I had to pick right at this moment the lexus beats the bmw that could change after living with it longer. The lexus is not s upgraded Toyota it stands on its own and can compete with any car in its class.
 
#8 ·
That is an incredibly thorough, well thought out, objective overview of both cars. Nicely done, sir, and I hope this one treats you better than your former F10.

To balance out that intelligent post and bring the thread down to an immaturity level more befitting of a car forum, here's what I see when I look at the front end of a new GS. Am I the only one? :dunno:

Image


Image
 
#12 ·
That is an incredibly thorough, well thought out, objective overview of both cars. Nicely done, sir, and I hope this one treats you better than your former F10.

To balance out that intelligent post and bring the thread down to an immaturity level more befitting of a car forum, here's what I see when I look at the front end of a new GS. Am I the only one? :dunno:

Image
It is beautiful and congrats, but it looks too much like this:
Image
 

Attachments

#9 ·
Enjoy your Lexus and thanks for a long "me thinks he doth protest too much". I don't care for its looks at all but it sounds like a pretty darn good car for the money. The fact is all cars are compromises made by engineers and marketers. Your post is all about those compromises and how they relate to what you like and you don't like.

The real question is if you didn't have the fiscal issues would you still have gone Lexus? And knowing what you know now, would you go back to BMW if finances were not an issue? Since the big problem you seem to have had with the F10 is that it "drives large" is that why the BMW you were looking at was a M3? Comparing a M3's compromises with a GS's might come out differently even if you just don't like F10s.

Happy posting on the Lexus forum.
 
#15 ·
Enjoy your Lexus and thanks for a long "me thinks he doth protest too much". I don't care for its looks at all but it sounds like a

The real question is if you didn't have the fiscal issues would you still have gone Lexus? And knowing what you know now, would you go back to BMW if finances were not an issue? Since the big problem you seem to have had with the F10 is that it "drives large" is that why the BMW you were looking at was a M3? Comparing a M3's compromises with a GS's might come out differently even if you just don't like F10s.

Happy posting on the Lexus forum.
Good questions.

Money no object? Would not go for the Lexus. Would go for an M5. But if I had to choose the Lexus over a 535? The Lexus. It's just so much more fun to drive. And that's really what I was going for: fun.

I might see an M3 in my future, but one thing that's gotten me is that cars are generally one size too small for me. I don't fit in an IS, even the new one. The GS barely fits me. The M3 isn't that much smaller than the GS, remarkably. But for what it is, it's expensive. Crowding $80k fast. For a 3 series. Having said that, the M3 would blow away the Lexus's performance. But that's major apples to oranges.

I will admit, my multiple drives in the M5 have spoiled me. It's an amazing vehicle. Feels so far removed from the regular 5 series it's not funny. Such a different feel. I have not driven an E63 but I have heard they are much better. I suspect it blows away the standard E.

If money was REALLY no object, I'd probably load up a Panamera turbo.

Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
 
#11 · (Edited)
As most of you may know, I bought my wife a GS350 about six weeks ago and have been wanting to share my views on it, so here is a good place to add on to what needsdecaf has to say.

First the facts. Our Lexus is a "Luxury" package with Mark Levinson and a few other odds and ends. The Luxury package makes it a very close comparison to my BMW 550 M-Sport actually. Both cars have the equivalent to the Dynamic Damper Suspension, and both cars have the equivalent to the BMW's Multi Contour/Luxury seating package. In fact, the Lexus seats are the equal to the 2014 seats in that it has adjustable bolsters that my 2012 BMW does not have. Luxury in the GS also gets "Aniline" leather which is more like the Nappa (my BMW has Dakota leather). If my BMW was not a 550 it would be pretty even other than some gives and takes in features. My BMW has the top view cameras (whatever they are called), soft close doors, HUD and I'm sure a few more things I'm not thinking of that the GS does not have (HUD is an option, but very few GS's are stocked with it). Here are a few random thoughts on features***8230;........

BMW features that are a plus:
> Soft close doors. If you don't think you need them, you have never had them. I can't tell you how many times I've had to close the doors twice on the Lexus.
> HUD. Ditto. I have had HUD on four Corvettes and the BMW. I really miss it when driving my wife's car.
> Top view cameras. I like them, but can live with out them. But yes, I like them!
> The 8 buttons that are programmable. The Lexus and most other cars need these BADLY. High end cars have the most frustrating interfaces, and the programmable buttons are brilliant (more on the "mouse" later)
> Thick steering wheel. There is no better wheel than the M-sport. The Lexus unfortunately is more wood than leather. If it were my daily driver I'd either have bought a F-Sport, or I'd spend the $1000 to change out the wheel (yes, I have looked into it).

Lexus features that are a plus:
> The seat ventilation (which I am really a fanatic on) works better. But the REAL plus is that they have an automatic setting that can be left on all the time and seems to know exactly when to turn them on, off, up down. Summer will be the test, but I love them
> The seat thigh extenders "roll" out on the Lexus as opposed to the BMW where it extends leaving a huge gap. It's a far more elegant solution in the Lexus and it has a more gentle front "edge" that your legs are hanging off of.
> Rear seat controls. OK, I have to be honest, I will probably never use them, but it does have rear controls for the sound system and climate control built into the fold down armrest. If we go on a trip I'm going to sit back there while my wife is driving and screw with the sound system :)

Driving differences:

> I fully agree that the Lexus has a much better suspension, made more so by not being saddled with run-flat tires. Big advantage for the Lexus
> Transmission - upshifting is better in the Lexus, and it does not start in second gear like my BMW (except in sport mode) and as a result the Lexus accelerates from a stop more smoothly. But the BMW downshifts better - Advantage both
> Subjective feel - K-A is right about the BMW. It has a presence and solidness that is hard to explain, but it does feel like serious money rolling down the highway. Very solid - advantage BMW
> Subjective quality and refinement. On the other hand, everything about the Lexus feels like it is built with ball bearings and super smooth operation. The car feels like it's incredibly refined, but not in a masculine way like the BMW. Advantage Lexus
> Sound system. Levinson VS Premium. They both are VERY good, but different. I like the solid bass and "full" sound of the BMW. I like the details of hearing every single instrument in the Lexus. I'm not sure which is better. Both very good. I think BMW advantage***8230;.........I think!
> I-Drive vs Mouse. This PAINS me to say because I'm not a huge fan of the I-Drive, but the mouse needs to go. Not a fan at all. Too many things take too many steps to get to in the GS, and the mouse is not that easy to use when driving. Advantage BMW
> Navigation. I have not tried to program the nav in the GS yet, but I'm sure it's better than the nav in the BMW. A fold up map is better than the nav in the BMW. There, I said it!

As far as the subjective appearance, I agree the BMW is better looking, but I'm not at all offended by the Lexus. The interior comparison is interesting. I thought the BMW 5 and 7 were the best looking interiors short of maybe a Bently. I still think it is top notch. But I'm really taken by the somewhat more contemporary design of the GS. The BMW is more of an old money classy, the Lexus more of the younger generation classy looking. I really like elements of both so I'm calling it a tie.

I often drive my car all day, then come home from work and go somewhere in the Lexus. I can honestly say that I love the feel of the Lexus. But they feel very different while both being outstanding cars in my opinion. I would not argue either way which is better. And if the GS-F with the 465hp engine is out 12 months from now when my BMW lease is up, I will seriously consider it. But no question I love the BMW. But there are also things about the BMW that drive me nuts. To me it's is a polarizing car. I love the engine and solidness of the car, seats are great, stereo is great and the car makes me feel like I've arrived. But I hate pulling the door knob twice, hate pushing the start/stop twice to turn it off, hate that it starts in second gear then jumps down to first causing an unexpected lurch, and wish it didn't have run flat tires. And no, I don't want to change them to non run flats - not on my daily driver. I have done so on quite a few Corvettes, but those were weekend only cars and I don't have to risk not having a spare in my daily driver.

Maybe I'll think of more, but I think that covers most of it.

Image


Image
 
#13 · (Edited)
The car feels like it's incredibly refined, but not in a masculine way like the BMW. Advantage Lexus
Really? If I ever considered owning a Lexus, this line totally killed it for me. I'd skip on all the refinement of the world if it came in this apparently feminine way that will be very hard for me to appreciate.
 
#21 ·
Great detailed review! I wish we had some similarly descriptive ones floating around the site for the 5 Series ;)

As some have stated, we all have our own tastes and reasons for how we decide to part with our hard earned cash. Certainly the Lexus makes some great arguments none louder than the one for its chassis and handling. I just can't stay away from the fact that my wife's 2011 A4 with a manual transmission (my former car) is WAAY more fun than all the cars in this segment (M, AMG and RS cars excluded) In fact I have a track event this Friday and its likely I will take the A4 rather than the 535, simply since its more fun to throw around. And this is the reason why when looking at the segment tend to crave towards more luxury. The solid/vault like feel like stated before and the modern yet luxurious interior fit the bill to the T. I want to be pampered damnit! :D

Enjoy your new shiny!:thumbup: With such great deals who knows, I may consider the GS for the A4 replacement!
 
#27 ·
Congrats on the new car!

I'll admit that I am a bit disappointed to see you switch over to Lexus. Not that its a bad car but I really wanted to see you in the LCI since your experience with the 535 was so bad from the get go and I don't think its a fair representation of the F10 as a whole. BMW screwed over the 2011 buyers to come out with a car to then revise so many major driving characteristics to the point where I'm sure a 2013 or 2014 drives like a completely different car compared to a 2011.

That said the GS is a awesome vehicle. Handles great and the alcon brakes on the Fsport are amazing. If they upped the power plant on that car it would be more a threat to the Germans. That interior is on par with the F10 and I love the leather dash that comes standard. The one thing i do hate is that mouse thing and the GUI on the nav isn't as clean/nice looking at the newest Bmw idrive system. For me the Fsport is imbalanced in the looks department. Way too aggressive front end with a boring side and rear end. That massive wheel gap also magnifies all that 10 fold. A few tweaks here and there would make it look pretty amazing though. I could see it looking as good as a modified F10 Msport.

Alan
 
#36 ·
No. There was models around that had the HUD, Mark Levinson and Rear Wheel Steer bundled together. None with just HUD or the first two. I would have liked those, but really wanted to avoid RWS so I passed.
 
#37 ·
Almost always do a double take. Such a polarizing car in that gorgeous metallic white (by far, the best Lexus paint color out there!)
The new for 2014 Ultra White was actually my first choice. But then I went back to pick colors on a cloudy day and saw it side by side with the Silver and the White looked dull and flat, wheras the Silver still had a ton of sparkle and pop. It's got an 8 step paint vs. a 6 for the other colors and really has some great hues to it. I really didn't want a silver but ended up with it based on that side by side. My wife had the same thoughts, and she wanted Silver less than I did.

Made up for it with the Cabernet interior, though. :thumbup:
 
#44 ·
Congrats the GSF sport. If they make a GSF.....oh my god.
The GS F sport really takes aim at the 535i Nd below. 550i is too much for it powerwise.

Btw how's is the drive mode selector, Is it still more form rather than function?
 
#49 ·
Congrats the GSF sport. If they make a GSF.....oh my god.
The GS F sport really takes aim at the 535i Nd below. 550i is too much for it powerwise.

Btw how's is the drive mode selector, Is it still more form rather than function?
No, drive mode selector makes a very noticable difference in both suspension and steering. Transmission, it's not as pronounced as the F10, but I actually like it that way.
 
#45 · (Edited)
I ve had a GS F-sport for a year. Basically I ve been nagging myself and wife that I don't like it because it feels too heavy and it's too slow. Obviously it has some good advantages (good suspension, nice creature comfort, ventilated seats, nice sound with ML, etc). Due to a possible really good deal (got an ad from dealership about month end deal), I went and tested a 550i this past weekend thinking what I need is really just more HP and torque. Obviously I was only going to switch if the 550i is significantly better cause I would have to take a pretty big loss selling a car after buying it just a year ago...

Overall the 550i is faster, feels more solid, but not significantly better. I know I would still nag myself and wife, or feel regret for taking such a huge monetary loss to change to something that I would still complain about. Basically although the 550i is faster and feels more solid, it feels even heavier... Like it just didn't turn the way I would want it to turn, didn't point and go where I wanted it to point and go, if you know what I mean. Even the nappa leather seats didn't feel as comfortable as the GS and the Nav is kind of useless (the salesman attempted to set destination to the dealership as we drove, and it didn't work... he tried again and it finally worked but I couldn't really follow it that well...).

Like if this were a year ago (my prev lease ended), and I just had to decide which car to get, I probably would have chosen the 550i, since it's faster and has better prestige. But given it wasn't significantly better than GS, I didn't switch.

I tried a super loaded 335i M-sport as well and really liked it. Felt that's the kind of car for me. Went where I pointed nimbly. But I know I would regret getting a 335i now given the M3 (335i still felt kinda slow, like the somewhat good exhaust sound is not always accompanied by a feeling of power pushing you forward) will be out soon and also new Mercedes C looks better all around... After all that, I figured I probably just need M3... I do wana see how the new Mercedes C will compare. Will try again next year when wife's BMW 3 lease is due.
 
#47 ·
The interesting thing here is that those who don't like the heavier feeling of the F10 will find the 550i regressive in that regard, with extra weight piled on top of an already heavy car, and all at the front at that (sacrificing the near 50/50 perfect weight ratio of the 535i) though on the other hand, it has power that no GS could currently match.

Those who prefer a nimbler drive, though want the substantial feel of the F10, higher quality design, mixed with more usable real world power would probably find the 535i with M suspension a better middle ground between the 550's brute and the GS' nimbler feel.

I'd love a 550i for the power, but I don't like its lack of dynamic balance, it's almost too much excess in one car. If the F10 chassis wasn't already so inherently thick and heavy that'd be one thing, but to me, aside from straight line go-fast, it almost feels like a bad representation of the F10's capabilities. This is one reason why I'm not so against BMW moving to a hopped up I6 in the next gen 550i (or whatever they may call it). Though, I've yet to drive a 550i LCI, so my impressions might change in regards to forgetting about weight balance, etc. when I feel what it has to offer.
 
#46 ·
I actually wish I could like or even convince myself that I would grow to like the exterior styling and appearance of the GSF. I had a 2001 GS430 and absolutely loved the reliability, however, I spent a a lot of money modding in an effort to get it to drive similar to my wife's 328i. From what I've read, it appears Lexus has solved the "sofa on wheels" issue, but in my subjective opinion the styling has gone from a bit boring to a bit too extreme. Because I'm a buyer and not a leaser, I'm still a little concerned about the reliability of 5er, but when I weigh all the things that are important to me in a car, the 535i rises to the top.
 
#51 ·
Personally, my lease return is already coming up. Would I love to get a 535i competitor at blowout pricing comparable to a 328i lease, who wouldn't? I'm not married to the F10 nor have I been a regular BMW customer (this is the first one of my own), and I'm certainly not going back to an E Class. Of course I've already considered letting my better styling sensibilities and overall craving for the best holistic car my allotted budget can afford, go, thus considering the GS. However, I think again, it's my having a later model F10 on 704 that has me squashing that completely. As well, JJS has an F10, and Needs' just got a Cayenne. I think that also plays a factor. I.e, if I'm looking at a second car or something for my future wife, then a GS starts to look very appealing. But if it's my "passion car", I think it would be really hard to go from the F10 to something that looks and feels (feels in terms of build, not drive) so passionless.
 
#52 ·
Your point really resonates with me. I bought my 2010 GS as my daily driver and it served my purpose well because at the time I had a Corvette Z06 as a weekend car. The GS was just to commute in Houston traffic. I decided to get rid of my Corvette (riding my motorcycles instead of the Corvette). No longer having a hard core weekend car, I wanted my daily driver to be more engaging, and a lot faster. Hence the 550.
 
#53 ·
Nice review! Got any pics of the interior? I realize I can Google it, but I'd like to see your car!
 
#57 ·
And that blows away the F10 interior? I think not -- sorry.
IMO yes, yes it does blow away the F10 interior, you are allowed to disagree. I think everything about the interior except maybe cruise control and thickness of the steering wheel are better in the lexus.
-volume on left hand side of steering wheel
-can see steering wheel heater
-steering wheel position when looking at gauges
-cup holder size and location
-arm rest more comfortable
-the sliding tray under arm rest.
-the leather like dashboard with stitching.
-the standard heated/cooled seats with auto function on fsport
- the padding on all interior pieces
-the 12" display looks incredible and is recessed enough that there is no glare.
- the standard bright led interior lights
- the aluminum IMO looks better than either aluminum offerings in the F10
-the seat comfort is awesome
- the backseat comfort is more comfortable as well to me.
- the sflow hvac system that senses passengers and directs flow of air based on that

These are just some of the things I enjoy more in the Lexus vs my F10. Like I said I can only think of maybe 3 things I like better in the F10 interior wise overall. I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm just stating my opinion from someone who has had both cars. If you don't feel the same way that is fine. So many people read this thread and spew hate for anything that is BMW, I guess I just have an openmind. I am not tied to anyone brand I have owned multiple Hondas, CTSV, nissans, fords, Mercedes and multiple BMWs and now my first Lexus. I understand the prestige that goes along with BMW and they have earned that but Lexus also has a reputation for making great cars and they are really on to something with their new line of cars.
 
#58 ·
I've got to agree that I'm not really impressed by the interior. The steering area looks good, but everything to the right of the steering wheel other than the screen looks a little dull.

Granted, I'm sure it's a little different sitting inside.
 
#61 · (Edited)
Congratz to OP! I test drove 2013 GS F-sport when I had 2011 535 for 1 year.

I almost traded my F10. Even with drivetrain below 535i (only 6 speed for the 2013), GS is much more fun to drive. It reminds of the older 5-series.

I decided to keep the 535i cause I had had my eyes on M5 cause this is the only car in the luxury midsize sedan with proper steering (except E63 AMG) nowadays.

BMW used to be good in this aspect.

If the world doesn't have M5, E63, Lexus GS will be in my garage. Very good car for $60k range.


Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
 
#63 ·
Congratz to OP! I test drove 2013 GS F-sport when I had 2011 535 for 1 year.

I almost traded my F10. Even with drivetrain below 535i (only 6 speed for the 2013), GS is much more fun to drive. It reminds of the older 5-series.

I decided to keep the 535i cause I had had my eyes on M5 cause this is the only car in the luxury midsize sedan with proper steering (except E63 AMG) nowadays.

BMW used to be good in this aspect.

If the world doesn't have M5, E63, Lexus GS will be in my garage. Very good car for $60k range.

Sent from BimmerApp mobile app
Thanks!

I'd be in the same boat as you if I could justify the expenditure of the M5. But with home improvement upgrades sucking cash like a democratic Congress, I couldn't. It is some machine, though. Enjoy!