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Old 04-13-2014, 10:14 AM
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Bmw nav blows!

How is it that my 2007 Acura MDX's navigation is so superior to my 2012 335i's? In the MDX, street names are visible at more zoom levels, the guidance actually announces street names (in 500 feet turn left onto Spring Street) and exit numbers (exit right onto 22A) while it doesn't say "in 300 feet bear left, then bear left" over and over. It even splits the screen when an offramp is coming up and shows you the lane breakdown so you know which lane are available for your intended maneuver.

This 335i and my prior C63 suck compared to the Asian manufacturers.

And yes, I know, the rest of the BMW kicks the MDX to the curb. But this NAV thing really pisses me off.

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Old 04-13-2014, 10:45 AM
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Nav is actually better than I expected but it isn't good.

While I agree that it's interesting that they chose to not program the system to speak street names, I think the NAV in my 2011 328i is better than I expected. That probably says more about my low expectations than anything else. I haven't tested it extensively in larger cities, but mine does show arrows to indicate offramp lanes and how many are available. It's not nearly good as the Garmin Nuvi 3597LMTHD that I use in my other vehicles though.

My one significant disappointment in the system is that whoever designed it doesn't have a single clue how to program a system to find the "fastest route". I wanted to verify the accuracy of my speedometer and odometer so I drove a 130+ mile trip to a business meeting with both the Garmin and the BMW GPS systems in operation. The Garmin took me exactly where I expected to go. The BMW GPS tried to take me about 10 miles out of the way.

My secondary complaint is that the BMW time estimates are extremely inaccurate. Garmins have adaptive software that "learns" your driving tendencies over time and are usually dead on accurate as long as traffic or stoplights don't mess you up too bad. My BMW GPS was off by over a half hour on a two hour trip.

It's a shame that the GPS is so mediocre given the expense it takes to get it, but from what I've seen, it does get the job done. I will say that although I really like the iDrive system overall, I would have trouble paying extra for it in the future.
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Old 04-13-2014, 12:35 PM
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Perhaps Japanese get lost more than Germans? I can personally count on both hands how many times I've used any in-car nav system. When I do use it, my only complaint is that I can't change the voice to Samuel L. Jackson's.
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Old 04-13-2014, 12:46 PM
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How is it that my 2007 Acura MDX's navigation is so superior to my 2012 335i's? In the MDX, street names are visible at more zoom levels, the guidance actually announces street names (in 500 feet turn left onto Spring Street) and exit numbers (exit right onto 22A) while it doesn't say "in 300 feet bear left, then bear left" over and over. It even splits the screen when an offramp is coming up and shows you the lane breakdown so you know which lane are available for your intended maneuver.

This 335i and my prior C63 suck compared to the Asian manufacturers.

And yes, I know, the rest of the BMW kicks the MDX to the curb. But this NAV thing really pisses me off.

BMW, possibly other Euros, have never been far up the curve vis--vis computer user interface.

Check pre-2009 iDrive for a S&M Experience.

I just 2 weeks back scored an EXCELLENT Garmin @ Costco - $200 - 3D topo in living color with multi-touch and sa-mooth zoom. EZ view of surrounding streets - easiest to navigate I've found.

Just sayin'.
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Old 04-13-2014, 01:04 PM
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It even splits the screen when an offramp is coming up and shows you the lane breakdown so you know which lane are available for your intended maneuver.
my NAV does this...2011 model
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Agreed 100 %. I really like the I-Drive system, but find the nav almost useless and very user unfriendly. I just use my phone mounted to the windshield for a much better nav experience.
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The Nav in my 2007 335i is not as good as the newer version in the 750 but I use it all of the time and it always gets me where I want to go.

Neither are close to state of the art.
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my NAV does this...2011 model
So does mine and it speaks the street names to turn to.
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Old 04-14-2014, 10:52 AM
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my NAV does this...2011 model
Well then why the hell doesn't it do it in my 2012? Maybe I have to mess with the settings a little more.
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Old 04-14-2014, 11:13 AM
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While I agree that it's interesting that they chose to not program the system to speak street names, I think the NAV in my 2011 328i is better than I expected. That probably says more about my low expectations than anything else. I haven't tested it extensively in larger cities, but mine does show arrows to indicate offramp lanes and how many are available. It's not nearly good as the Garmin Nuvi 3597LMTHD that I use in my other vehicles though.

My one significant disappointment in the system is that whoever designed it doesn't have a single clue how to program a system to find the "fastest route". I wanted to verify the accuracy of my speedometer and odometer so I drove a 130+ mile trip to a business meeting with both the Garmin and the BMW GPS systems in operation. The Garmin took me exactly where I expected to go. The BMW GPS tried to take me about 10 miles out of the way.

My secondary complaint is that the BMW time estimates are extremely inaccurate. Garmins have adaptive software that "learns" your driving tendencies over time and are usually dead on accurate as long as traffic or stoplights don't mess you up too bad. My BMW GPS was off by over a half hour on a two hour trip.

It's a shame that the GPS is so mediocre given the expense it takes to get it, but from what I've seen, it does get the job done. I will say that although I really like the iDrive system overall, I would have trouble paying extra for it in the future.
Did you try changing the route settings?

You can choose from fastest, shortest, avoid highways, with highways, avoid tolls, etc
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Old 04-14-2014, 11:23 AM
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It even splits the screen when an offramp is coming up and shows you the lane breakdown so you know which lane are available for your intended maneuver.
My 09 does this. Also, I'd much rather take iDrive than the Lexus navigation system (only Japanese system I've used).
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Old 04-14-2014, 11:31 AM
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Well then why the hell doesn't it do it in my 2012? Maybe I have to mess with the settings a little more.
I have an '11 335i and I am having the same problem.. The NAV only shows a map with the route highlighted and NOTHING ELSE! Needless to say it gets frustrating trying to use it in Chicago..
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I have an '11 335i and I am having the same problem.. The NAV only shows a map with the route highlighted and NOTHING ELSE! Needless to say it gets frustrating trying to use it in Chicago..
Have you turned on the annoying woman's voice? ...... the arrow display in the right window?
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Have you turned on the annoying woman's voice? ...... the arrow display in the right window?

Have Garmin with Aussie voice & phrases....better....
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:26 PM
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Have Garmin with Aussie voice & phrases....better....
iPad 4 with GPS duck taped to my dash ..... WAZE ....... priceless!
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iPad 4 with GPS duck taped to my dash ..... WAZE ....... priceless!
Seriously considered that for my Wrangler restore, custom mount, but satellite reception not there.

Then that outstanding Garmin, picked up on the run in Santa Barbera....

To be clear, is an older Garmin w/Aussie voice. New, not so much.
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It is pure insanity to put this into the cars as a fixed system anyway.

When really needs to happen is that a freely exchangable gadget provides the navigation. Like a cellphone but with solid wiring (no wireless or blutooth that can cut out), remote screen (over X11 or whatever) and the cable provides access to microphone, speaker and an external GPS antenna.

To clarify, the display you are looking at is fixed in the car. It is just using remote screen sharing (x11 style, not braindead windows style) with whatever gadget has the software and maps loaded.
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It is pure insanity to put this into the cars as a fixed system anyway.

When really needs to happen is that a freely exchangable gadget provides the navigation. Like a cellphone but with solid wiring (no wireless or blutooth that can cut out), remote screen (over X11 or whatever) and the cable provides access to microphone, speaker and an external GPS antenna.

To clarify, the display you are looking at is fixed in the car. It is just using remote screen sharing (x11 style, not braindead windows style) with whatever gadget has the software and maps loaded.

Supposedly happening - cell phone apps. Sadly, BMW turned Apple down.
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I was just getting ready to start a thread about the nav, but figured I would post it here. My main gripe about the nav is that it struggles to find about 30% of the addresses I enter. When a destination is found, it takes me on really odd, round about ways of getting there. I'll ignore it and go the right way and the destination time drops by 10 minutes! So obviously my way was better. I've tried several different "route preferences" but they all suck equally as bad.
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Kenu Airframe + SmartPhone + pick your Nav app :-)

I have never seen a built in Nav system that is better than a smartphone or even a standalone system like a mid level Garmin. Its unfortunate.

OK maybe the Tesla S, but thats it.

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You have no idea what a bad nav is until you try Land Rover's. It may be capable of fording over 2' of water but it sure ain't going to help you find it! And to top it all off you have to come to a complete stop before you can input or change any info. So to Land Rover equipping a 5800lb dinosaur with a 510bhp supercharged V8 is safe but allowing the occupants to find the closest Home Depot while cruising at 35 isn't.....

Rant over. Carry on.
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Well then why the hell doesn't it do it in my 2012? Maybe I have to mess with the settings a little more.
Honestly it has always done it so I am not sure how to "turn it on". It might be the fact that I have split screen active all the time; the directional arrows, lane details and distance meter are displayed over the split screen content.

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My main gripe about the nav is that it struggles to find about 30% of the addresses I enter.
Mine too, I just assume this is due to the fact that the maps are from 2010. You can update the maps, either from BMW or DIY. I get "around" this by using BMW Assist.
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Mine too, I just assume this is due to the fact that the maps are from 2010. You can update the maps, either from BMW or DIY. I get "around" this by using BMW Assist.
I thought it was due to outdated maps, but it happens to me even when I'm trying to find stuff that's been there forever - not just new roads that may have been made after my nav system software. Sometimes it finds the roads, but won't allow me to enter a street address.
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Japanese do Electronics better?? I only buy Bimmers for the drive not the other nonsense so like I've often stated.... If that's so important buy a Lexus.
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How is it that my 2007 Acura MDX's navigation is so superior to my 2012 335i's? In the MDX, street names are visible at more zoom levels, the guidance actually announces street names (in 500 feet turn left onto Spring Street) and exit numbers (exit right onto 22A) while it doesn't say "in 300 feet bear left, then bear left" over and over. It even splits the screen when an offramp is coming up and shows you the lane breakdown so you know which lane are available for your intended maneuver.


This 335i and my prior C63 suck compared to the Asian manufacturers.

And yes, I know, the rest of the BMW kicks the MDX to the curb. But this NAV thing really pisses me off.
Aww man...it gets the job done but yes...it uses DOS programming to make it tick. Dumbest guy at the BMW factory gets to pump out BMW iDrive GPS driving systems for other countries until he gets one of the towns correct. Then he gets to go back to manufacturing his "tongue in cheek" electric waterpump time bombs with sensitive plastic housings.

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